☛ Official ☚ The Big & Dandy DOC Thread - Third opinion

[In_A_Transit]

recommend having benzos on hand and the next day off as well !

 

[Kellsee]

I feel like I've been missing out after listening to all of you. Need to get caught up on my knowledge of molecules. I am sick of my whole fucking reality. I wanna make my own....maybe go find Dorothy so we can harass that witch so she will get pissed and cover us with poppies. Wtf do you even need a wizard for with all them fucking poppies

 

[Xorkoth]

There is a whole wide world of great psychedelic chemicals. I've tried what some might say a stupid number of them (personally though I consider it a fascinating hobby to explore the mind and chemistry through psychedelics), and some of them are nothing special, but others are every bit as good as the classics. DOC is one of the ones that is every bit as good as LSD or mescaline. Another is 2C-E.

 

[SsamuraiXtc]

oh how i miss 2ci ...... aMT is another great one...astounding visuals ..... proscaline has a spot for me now as well......BOD is looking promising ..... waiting to try again at 37mg....definitely a good mixer with sum lucy...hoping my next trial with DOC can lead it to my list of "good ones" .... not a big fan of sub tryptamines.....probably b/c i stopped using mushies ....still know how to grow ....maybe ill look into that again ....it is fun just to grow lol

 

[Xorkoth]

You get visuals from AMT? Do you mean 5-MeO-AMT? 5-MeO-AMT has strong visuals and is pretty psychedelic, regular AMT on the other hand, for me, is much closer to MDMA than it is to a traditional psychedelic. I've never had any visuals from it even at high doses, I've used it a LOT, it was my favorite drug for a couple of years, a long time ago. It's somewhat trippy and extremely rolly/euphoric.

DOC is one of my absolute favorites, probably tied with my favorite. I like the whole DOX family (DOB, DOC, DOI, DOM, etc). I have had the fortune to be able to collect and try a lot of them including some that very few people have ever tried... DOPr is absolutely incredible, it lasts 30-40 hours though, way longer than DOC even. I got my hands on some DOF, which hadn't ever been reported on before, which was cool (though it's nothing special).

I may be getting some DON soon, which I'm excited about. It made the rounds in Russia many years ago, supposedly it's pretty recreational and stimulating. I've always wanted to try it.

 

[SsamuraiXtc]

nope good ol moth ball smelly aMT ~ 20mg to about 30mg ...I get really really intricate scenery type visuals and geometric colorful - I would not mess w/ 5-meo ..... i really do not like anything that starts with 5-meo or 4-HO....... I would love to sample DOM at least once ...maybe one day

i havent used my aMT since 2016...i got it in 2014....hope its still good !!!

 

[Xorkoth]

Wow that's crazy, 20-30mg is a weak dose for me, even at 100mg I never got any visuals from it, other than a fuzzy halo around lights.

DOM is okay, I find it underwhelming though, never managed to have a very satisfying trip from it, but some people love it. I think DOC is far superior.

I have tried DOET once too, and have a few more doses. That one is really weird, I had high hopes because I absolutely love 2C-E, but DOET (don't know why Shulgin didn't call it DOE) was weird, I was definitely tripping, kind of hard, but not really sure why... it didn't make me have interesting thoughts and there were no visuals. It was largely a body high (very strong and kind of edgy one), and I seemed to have a very strong sense of touch or something, and feel other peoples' emotions almost like they were hitting my skin. It was kind of unpleasant overall so I haven't tried it again because it lasted about 30 hours. I want to take a higher dose, but am kind of hesitant to try.

I am going to finally try DOB next, probably. Some early reports on it made me scared to try it, but my friends who have tried it on here all say it's amazing, similar to DOC, but more intense.

 

[SsamuraiXtc]

yeah they werent long lasting CEV's at 20 - 30mg .... i had to "look" for them or "self-generate" brief ( less than a minute ) when they came but intense and highly detailed .... I am going to open the bag again and titrate further.....but visuals are to be had on it for sure...

2c-e kinda scared me at 10mg nasally...no CEVs ...only tried once .... but it was very introspective ... i felt i was analyzing myself and pointing out all my flaws...wasnt smart enough to buy more in 2010 - 11 ..... then operation log jam happened

lucky me i found someone near philly who has a 25mg pill leftover ...

 

[deficiT]

I feel like I've been missing out after listening to all of you. Need to get caught up on my knowledge of molecules. I am sick of my whole fucking reality. I wanna make my own....maybe go find Dorothy so we can harass that witch so she will get pissed and cover us with poppies. Wtf do you even need a wizard for with all them fucking poppies

I'd give you free psychedelics kellsee, we'd just have to leave Kansas though because I believe that state is bad juju. Too much wheat.

 

[deficiT]

So, aMT, is kind of like the same substitution as like amphetamine on a phenethylamine, but it's on a tryptamine? Might be chem for dummies but that's kinda what it sounds like to me.

I am looking forward to trying amt soon too. I've heard about it for years and it never rly interested me too much, but now I'm at a point where I think I would enjoy it for what it is.

 

[SsamuraiXtc]

i dont know the chemistry but its a trytamine that feels like a PEA ....hence why i like it...way long come up .... 2- 3 hours before any "real" effects are discernable

 

[Xorkoth]

yeah they werent long lasting CEV's at 20 - 30mg .... i had to "look" for them or "self-generate" brief ( less than a minute ) when they came but intense and highly detailed .... I am going to open the bag again and titrate further.....but visuals are to be had on it for sure...

2c-e kinda scared me at 10mg nasally...no CEVs ...only tried once .... but it was very introspective ... i felt i was analyzing myself and pointing out all my flaws...wasnt smart enough to buy more in 2010 - 11 ..... then operation log jam happened

lucky me i found someone near philly who has a 25mg pill leftover ...

2C-E is one of the most powerful psychedelics that exists. I find it extremely neutral in character, and very analytical and introspective. By neutral, I mean it's not predisposed to euphoria, it spans the range of emotions and I tend to feel very objective and matter-of-fact on it. I also find it extremely visual and its effects on the [perception of sound and music are otherworldly.

Snorted 2C-Xs are extremely intense, anywhere from 2-3x as potent as orally and they come up FAST and can be a bit much to handle. 2C-E is very powerful and intense even orally. I would never snort 2C-E. Not only does it (and all 2C-Xs) cause damage to the nose because of being extremely caustic, it is also just a qualitatively superior experience when taken orally. The mental effects develop more, and they develop more slowly, which allows you to get more from it and have a more comfortable experience.

i dont know the chemistry but its a trytamine that feels like a PEA ....hence why i like it...way long come up .... 2- 3 hours before any "real" effects are discernable

AMT is a triple releaser, so it releases serotonin, dopamine and norepinephrine. I believe it also is a serotonin agonist, and on top of that it is a weak MAOI. It bears at least as much pharmacological similarity to empathogens like MDMA as it does to psychedelics, or for me, quite a bit more like an empathogen than a psychedelic (but some people seem to get more psychedelia from it than I do). It doesn't have the same crash that MDMA does though nor does it share its mechanism of neurotoxicity. In fact it leaves me a bit tired afterwards, but with an antidepressant glow that lasts a few days, unless it's abused, then it can drain you pretty bad and give you brain zaps (by abused, I mean taking it days in a row or too often). It is alpha-methyl-tryptamine, it is the amphetamine of tryptamines (just like amphetamine is phenethylamine with a methyl on the alpha position, AMT is tryptamine with a methyl on a alpha position). It lasts for 16+ hours and can be nausea-inducing on the come-up and can have pretty strong anorectic effects. It's one of my favorites. With the succinate salt (which is surely what you have, as the freebase and HCL salt have not been available for a long time to my knowledge), a good starting dose is 50mg, though I prefer 60-70.

 

[deficiT]

2C-E is one of the most powerful psychedelics that exists. I find it extremely neutral in character, and very analytical and introspective. By neutral, I mean it's not predisposed to euphoria, it spans the range of emotions and I tend to feel very objective and matter-of-fact on it. I also find it extremely visual and its effects on the [perception of sound and music are otherworldly.

Snorted 2C-Xs are extremely intense, anywhere from 2-3x as potent as orally and they come up FAST and can be a bit much to handle. 2C-E is very powerful and intense even orally. I would never snort 2C-E. Not only does it (and all 2C-Xs) cause damage to the nose because of being extremely caustic, it is also just a qualitatively superior experience when taken orally. The mental effects develop more, and they develop more slowly, which allows you to get more from it and have a more comfortable experience.



AMT is a triple releaser, so it releases serotonin, dopamine and norepinephrine. I believe it also is a serotonin agonist, and on top of that it is a weak MAOI. It bears at least as much pharmacological similarity to empathogens like MDMA as it does to psychedelics, or for me, quite a bit more like an empathogen than a psychedelic (but some people seem to get more psychedelia from it than I do). It doesn't have the same crash that MDMA does though nor does it share its mechanism of neurotoxicity. In fact it leaves me a bit tired afterwards, but with an antidepressant glow that lasts a few days, unless it's abused, then it can drain you pretty bad and give you brain zaps (by abused, I mean taking it days in a row or too often). It is alpha-methyl-tryptamine, it is the amphetamine of tryptamines (just like amphetamine is phenethylamine with a methyl on the alpha position, AMT is tryptamine with a methyl on a alpha position). It lasts for 16+ hours and can be nausea-inducing on the come-up and can have pretty strong anorectic effects. It's one of my favorites. With the succinate salt (which is surely what you have, as the freebase and HCL salt have not been available for a long time to my knowledge), a good starting dose is 50mg, though I prefer 60-70.

Oh wow! So I was pretty much right, makes sense tho. I didn't realize it was a triple releaser like that though and so similar to MDMA or something in that sense.

16+ hours of an empathogen experience? Hot damn! Lol

 

[Kellsee]

I'd give you free psychedelics kellsee, we'd just have to leave Kansas though because I believe that state is bad juju. Too much wheat.

Take me to Wonderland. I actually do have Alice costume. But it's more for a sex dungeon...kinda...and stuff lmao

You would give me free psychedelics and look out for me?! Would you let me play? Lol

I am dying to take what I told you that someone gave me. Or did I tell you about that??? I was thinking I did. Idk. But I am pretty sure it's not the kinda thing you do all by yourself just hanging around your house

 

[SsamuraiXtc]

2C-E is one of the most powerful psychedelics that exists. I find it extremely neutral in character, and very analytical and introspective. By neutral, I mean it's not predisposed to euphoria, it spans the range of emotions and I tend to feel very objective and matter-of-fact on it. I also find it extremely visual and its effects on the [perception of sound and music are otherworldly.

Snorted 2C-Xs are extremely intense, anywhere from 2-3x as potent as orally and they come up FAST and can be a bit much to handle. 2C-E is very powerful and intense even orally. I would never snort 2C-E. Not only does it (and all 2C-Xs) cause damage to the nose because of being extremely caustic, it is also just a qualitatively superior experience when taken orally. The mental effects develop more, and they develop more slowly, which allows you to get more from it and have a more comfortable experience.



AMT is a triple releaser, so it releases serotonin, dopamine and norepinephrine. I believe it also is a serotonin agonist, and on top of that it is a weak MAOI. It bears at least as much pharmacological similarity to empathogens like MDMA as it does to psychedelics, or for me, quite a bit more like an empathogen than a psychedelic (but some people seem to get more psychedelia from it than I do). It doesn't have the same crash that MDMA does though nor does it share its mechanism of neurotoxicity. In fact it leaves me a bit tired afterwards, but with an antidepressant glow that lasts a few days, unless it's abused, then it can drain you pretty bad and give you brain zaps (by abused, I mean taking it days in a row or too often). It is alpha-methyl-tryptamine, it is the amphetamine of tryptamines (just like amphetamine is phenethylamine with a methyl on the alpha position, AMT is tryptamine with a methyl on a alpha position). It lasts for 16+ hours and can be nausea-inducing on the come-up and can have pretty strong anorectic effects. It's one of my favorites. With the succinate salt (which is surely what you have, as the freebase and HCL salt have not been available for a long time to my knowledge), a good starting dose is 50mg, though I prefer 60-70.

agreed 2c's are better orally....found that out with 2ci
hmm pretty sure the aMT is the HCL i got it in 2014 --- that would account for why i get stronger effects from lower doses

 

[deficiT]

Take me to Wonderland. I actually do have Alice costume. But it's more for a sex dungeon...kinda...and stuff lmao

You would give me free psychedelics and look out for me?! Would you let me play? Lol

I am dying to take what I told you that someone gave me. Or did I tell you about that??? I was thinking I did. Idk. But I am pretty sure it's not the kinda thing you do all by yourself just hanging around your house

Yessss let's go! That sounds hot afff lol Actually the second time I ever took acid, we watched the old animated Alice in wonderland, so I always associate it with tripping lol. I mean it's also just trippy as fuck.

Duh of course. Oh wait, actually yeah I remember now you did tell me. And I'm sure you can think of something more fun to do than watch tv. But yeah, maybe wait for a concert, or just share it with a close friend and listen to some music or something.

 

[Xorkoth]

Oh wow! So I was pretty much right, makes sense tho. I didn't realize it was a triple releaser like that though and so similar to MDMA or something in that sense.

16+ hours of an empathogen experience? Hot damn! Lol

Yeah it's a long haul, lol. It has a very comfortable tail end though, it gradually trails off until it fades into the background and then nothing, leaving a glow. Kinda like mescaline in that way, where it doesn't leave you feeling cracked out or lossy or anything, it just becomes less and less but feels good the whole time. It's a really good drug, it was my favorite drug for some time. In 2006-2007 I abused the hell out of it, I even dosed it 7 days in a row once. Probably on average 3 times a week. Not recommended, I had some serious brain zaps and sleep paralysis when I'd run out. But considering how hard I went, it didn't fuck me up too bad. I was depressed and had brain zaps for like 5 days. I had a brief period of abusing MDMA where I took it 3 days in a row once and after that I had brain zaps for a month and was as close to suicidal as I've ever been, that was a dark time.

 

[deficiT]

Yeah it's a long haul, lol. It has a very comfortable tail end though, it gradually trails off until it fades into the background and then nothing, leaving a glow. Kinda like mescaline in that way, where it doesn't leave you feeling cracked out or lossy or anything, it just becomes less and less but feels good the whole time. It's a really good drug, it was my favorite drug for some time. In 2006-2007 I abused the hell out of it, I even dosed it 7 days in a row once. Probably on average 3 times a week. Not recommended, I had some serious brain zaps and sleep paralysis when I'd run out. But considering how hard I went, it didn't fuck me up too bad. I was depressed and had brain zaps for like 5 days. I had a brief period of abusing MDMA where I took it 3 days in a row once and after that I had brain zaps for a month and was as close to suicidal as I've ever been, that was a dark time.

Wow, that's pretty interesting.

In reference to MDMA, it can definitely leave one feeling pretty down. I mean, I've rolled probably 4-5 times in the last month since getting a couple g's. It didn't burn me out too much, although the effects weren't quite as strong the last couple times.

None of the times were crazy high binge dosing or anything like that. My gf probably took it even more times than me honestly, I kept telling her that she'd get burnt out and it'd stop working as well if she kept doing it, but she kept wanting to because it was making her feel good, so I obliged.

It's funny, because I took doses ranging from 100-200mg, and I mean, I felt good and had fun, but it was never overwhelming or too crazy. But when my gf took 100mg, she was zooted like crazy for like 8+ hours, and had really powerful effects pretty much every time. And then the other day when I was doing the last of it, my buddy and I each took 20mg 4acodmt and 100mg MDMA for a concert we went to, and damn if he wasn't gakked out of his mind for a whiiiilllllee too.

I mean, sure I had just raged my ass off and had sweat like crazy from dancing, and I felt pretty good, but my buddy and my gf both said I looked perfectly normal. Meanwhile his eyes were saucers when you looked at him.

Not sure if maybe I've done it too many times in my life already, or if I just have a naturally high tolerance. It was pretty damn good stuff too.

Sorry, this is probably wildly off topic at this point.

But anyway, I am definitely looking forward to amt. I'm guessing you don't really wanna combine it with anything because of the Maoi right?

 

[Xorkoth]

I find that happens with me with almost all drugs now. I think I've just done too many drugs in my life. It's rare for me to have a truly impactful experience. Psychedelics are the most likely to do it, I am more sensitive to them than I ever have been, but I find tripping to be rather comfortable and familiar. I love them but I don't have big paradigm shifts anymore. All other drugs (releasers, classic stimulants, opiates) I find I have a super high tolerance for and find them underwhelming, even if I haven't had any in a long time. Kind of a bummer, but it also seems to be leading me to be less obsessed with them. Slowly but surely. Which is a good thing.

yeah with AMT, definitely don't combine it with anything that releases serotonin. But it combines well with other psychedelics, and opiates and gabaergics are fine. Phenibut combines with it amazingly well, in fact I always combine them because it is just great

 

[deficiT]

I find that happens with me with almost all drugs now. I think I've just done too many drugs in my life. It's rare for me to have a truly impactful experience. Psychedelics are the most likely to do it, I am more sensitive to them than I ever have been, but I find tripping to be rather comfortable and familiar. I love them but I don't have big paradigm shifts anymore. All other drugs (releasers, classic stimulants, opiates) I find I have a super high tolerance for and find them underwhelming, even if I haven't had any in a long time. Kind of a bummer, but it also seems to be leading me to be less obsessed with them. Slowly but surely. Which is a good thing.

yeah with AMT, definitely don't combine it with anything that releases serotonin. But it combines well with other psychedelics, and opiates and gabaergics are fine. Phenibut combines with it amazingly well, in fact I always combine them because it is just great

That permatolerance is a bitch. Yeah, even after that concert we were doing some lines of K that my friend brought, and he was going on and on about how much he loved ketamine, and how good he was feeling, and he just got all lit up and had a good old time. Beforehand he was telling me about how good the stuff was. I personally maybe caught a buzz off the first line, but other than that, really didn't matter it just hardly affected me. I think maybe if I'm doing ketamine I just need to do one big fat line instead of a handful of smaller ones. When I did k for the first time in half a year a couple weeks ago, it was chronic and I did a huge amount by accident. THAT got me really fucked up. But since then, I haven't really gotten as high from k or 2fdck.
Dmxe was pretty good though. Idk, I've never been crazy about k, with all of the other cool dissos out there it always felt lackluster to me, requiring really high doses to really take you there.

Oh ok, well yeah, with the similar timeline, I thought it might be interesting to at some point combine Amt and doc. If it's safe in combo with psychs I think that sounds like it could be interesting.