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☛ Official ☚ The Big & Dandy DOC Thread - Third opinion
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Xorkoth
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Well I think he's at a festival and he's probably only a third of the way through the experience, or less. 
maybe even still in the peak. It lasts a good 16-20 hours
maybe even still in the peak. It lasts a good 16-20 hours
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Holy fuck it was awesome. I kinda wanna write a trip report, but I don't know if i'll get around to it, there's already a lot out there about it. But I think I'm in love. I understand why you like it so much, Xork haha. Thanks for the encouragin words that made me go for it, it was truly the perfect drug for such a setting. SO euphoric, amazing visuals, none of the social awkwardness that sometimes tripping can give, and I was impressed by how bening it felt on my body. From what I read I was expecting a harsh body load, something akin to 3C-P or 2C-E, but no, not even muscle tightness, gass discomfort, nothing, it felt really transparent. In fact it was physically pleasurable for most of the first half.
Also , SO MUCH ENERGY. I'm currently at t+ 42 and I can swear I still have some residual stimulation going on haha. At least I'm still glowing. I literally danced till dawn and then 30 hours later I wasn't even tired. I'm extremly sensible to stimulation though, but anyways, this stuff lasts for loong. After 24 hours I still was tripping a little bit. Not by much, but I smoked weed at maybe t+14 and it really brought the trip back up, so maybe at t+24 I was still coming down from that. I came home yesterday night and was still so hyper I spent like 6 hours chatting non-stop with my girl, and I felt like she was getting a contact high from me, lol. I finally decided to take a Zopiclone at t+33, because even though I didn't feel any kind of psychedelic effects by then, I wasn't really that tired and today is a work day so I wanted to make sure I got at least a good night of sleep, which I did.
Woke up reasonably tired, but refreshed
Also , SO MUCH ENERGY. I'm currently at t+ 42 and I can swear I still have some residual stimulation going on haha. At least I'm still glowing. I literally danced till dawn and then 30 hours later I wasn't even tired. I'm extremly sensible to stimulation though, but anyways, this stuff lasts for loong. After 24 hours I still was tripping a little bit. Not by much, but I smoked weed at maybe t+14 and it really brought the trip back up, so maybe at t+24 I was still coming down from that. I came home yesterday night and was still so hyper I spent like 6 hours chatting non-stop with my girl, and I felt like she was getting a contact high from me, lol. I finally decided to take a Zopiclone at t+33, because even though I didn't feel any kind of psychedelic effects by then, I wasn't really that tired and today is a work day so I wanted to make sure I got at least a good night of sleep, which I did.
Woke up reasonably tired, but refreshed
Xorkoth
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Haha, awesome! Yeah DOC for some reason is really good for giving contact highs, it's something I've always noticed and we were recently talking about in another thread. I gave someone visuals once when they weren't tripping (we had just smoked weed together) and had no idea I was either, he asked me if I slipped him some acid because the clouds were morphing and he kept telling me how high he was and how crazy that was.
DOC for me has a pretty intense bodyload for the first section, but ONLY if I am sitting around not doing anything. If I'm up and moving and engaging with things, it feels great.
Glad you had such a great time.
DOC for me has a pretty intense bodyload for the first section, but ONLY if I am sitting around not doing anything. If I'm up and moving and engaging with things, it feels great.
Glad you had such a great time.
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I’ve been sitting on a bunch 2mg tabs of DOC for some time now. I really want to try it out for the first time, but I just had a acid trip turn on me the other week. Handling a bad trip on lsd is difficult enough due to its duration, but what if my DOC trip went south? That’s a substantial amount of time to navigate and get through. I’m not sure why but my last couple of lsd experiences have been rough. 3-4 hours in everything will be going well and with instant rapidity my trip spins out of control and I become confused, disoriented, and anxious as I try to regain control.
That being said, many claim that DOC is clear headed and that the mental effects are easier to endure. Is this an accurate assessment? Should I still give it a shot and see where 2-2.5mg takes me? The other night I smoked some DMT and had a great and comfortable trip, so not all Psych’s are giving me a hard time.
That being said, many claim that DOC is clear headed and that the mental effects are easier to endure. Is this an accurate assessment? Should I still give it a shot and see where 2-2.5mg takes me? The other night I smoked some DMT and had a great and comfortable trip, so not all Psych’s are giving me a hard time.
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I mixed DOC and 4acodmt the other night. It was quite awesome! Definitely a worthwhile combo.
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If you're experienced with psychedelics it's very unlikely 2 or 2.5mg will be overwhelming. Acid is much more confusing at most doses, and can really bring you face to face with some stuff.
Inherently DOC is much more clearheaded, and the amphetamine brings some confidence with it, it really does. I really have a hard time seeing people lose their shit on like 2-3mg if they're somewhat experienced. It is a very good-natured drug. Of course it's possible to just have a bad time on such a dose, but that goes for every psychedelic, but you should -most likely- be quite in control unless you are super sensitive or something.
Most, if not all, of the DOC clusterfucks happen with doses >8mg, which probably brings it in a typical DOx storm, more reminiscent of DOB & DOI (I'm assuming here, I haven't tried).
At 2-2.5mg, you're tripping, ++, maybe +++, but you're not at all as lost as you can be when peaking on acid. The bodyload can be quite rough for some people though, the vasoconstriction and the stimulation (I like to walk and it works)....
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I'm not the toughest, most hard-headed tripper out there, and keep in mind I only had one very recent experience with it, but I would say that experienced tripper shouldn't have a bad time on 2 mg of DOC. I mean it's always a possibility, but if set and setting are taken care of correctly, nothing should go wrong. It really is a lot clearer headed than LSD. Most phenethylamines I've tried so far are like that. I was tripping hard at the peak of 2.5 mg DOC, but was not gone by any means and didn't lose touch of myself and the world around me. I was much more confused at the peak of, say, 300 ug of AL-LAD, which supposedly is very clearheaded and easygoing. It felt a lot more manageable than 150 ug of LSD.
I would say, however, that if I had taken it indoors, like, say, at my apartment, I would have had a much higher chance of feeling anxious. I couldn't have handled that amount of energy sitting in my room. I was moving around and dancing and engaging with music and people for most of it, so that completely painted my experience for sure, my dominant feeling was euphoria for most of it. When I retreated to my tent for a while near dawn, some dark thoughts appeared related to a message I had received on my phone during the night (really, bad timing for a bad new), and after a while I felt intense sadness and even cried a little. But it did not push me in a negative spiral. I got out of my tent, watched the sun come-up, spent some time by myself looking at the flowers, and the bees and other pollinators that came up when the sun started heating this part of the world, and went back to watch the bands and dance and felt great again.
I can say that were I on acid or another lysergamide, the message I got would have made me spent the rest of the trip anxious and melancholic. But DOC really seemed (to me) to have a positive and euphoric push. It was not devoid of introspection, but it didn't felt as forced and brutal as it can sometimes feel with tryptamines and lyrsergamides.
As always, YMMV, but after my experience I wouldn't say DOC felt as menacing as the prospect of tripping for 20 hours can sound like.
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Xorkoth
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Of course it's always a possibility, especially when you're anxious about it happening. However it is true that DOC is much more clearheaded, and it's also more positively focused and euphoric. So I would say it's definitely less likely than it is with LSD. I have had LSD turn on me before but never DOC. LSD has the potential to be much more confusing than DOC does, at least at 2-3mg (of DOC). The duration is quite a bit longer than LSD though, but I find that after the peak it becomes extremely easygoing and comfortable, and although it lingers for a long time, it is welcome and enjoyable. That's ben my experience with it over many, many DOC trips in the years I've been using it. Never had a bad trip with it. The closest I got was one time when I went to a show at a very large venue on 4.5mg. During the set break, I was out smoking cigarettes with my friends and there were tons of people around and I got pretty anxious, but I was fine once we went back inside for the second set, and the rest of the night was amazing.
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I've never had the good fortune to try DOC so I should probably keep my mouth shut, but: How closely spaced were your last few LSD (or other) trips? If this was not a one-off (and you're saying that it wasn't) I would think it a sign to take a break from psychedelics in general.
That said, do you have any benzodiazepines on hand? If you must trip, and you know that you are prone to this, I would have a benzo dose ready in case you need it.
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Would love some more info about the experience..
Doses, set& setting etc.
Feels like it would need some planning and preparation etc.
Personally i would probably get a tank of nitrous to go with it.
Maybe some belly dancers and fire show to really make it freaky..
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There's a little more to the story on pg 202 of this thread:
☮ Social ☮ - PD Social Tripping Thread: Tripping Past 2020
I noticed they have 3,4-DIMETHOXYPHENETHYLAMINE. Is it psychoactive? Not in the range Shulgin tried, but I suppose it could be in overly high doses.
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Looks like I'll have some time off this week and can afford some potential insomnia to finally try the DOC I'm pretty experienced with psychedelics and have a higher tolerance than most others for LSD, mushrooms, ayahuasca, 2C-E, and mescaline. I'll be camping with my girlfriend, planning to hike, bringing some paint and brushes, bringing some music. I'm thinking of taking 4 or 5 mg since I'm a bit of a hard head.
I'm pretty experienced with psychedelics and have a higher tolerance than most others for LSD, mushrooms, ayahuasca, 2C-E, and mescaline. I'll be camping with my girlfriend, planning to hike, bringing some paint and brushes, bringing some music. I'm thinking of taking 4 or 5 mg since I'm a bit of a hard head.
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Damn man, that's a lot for a first time if you've never experienced it before. I mean, usually just 2mg has me buzzing hard for a good long ass time.Looks like I'll have some time off this week and can afford some potential insomnia to finally try the DOC
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Yeah I've been debating it in my mind for a while. I've never had a psychedelic dose that I thought was too high, except one time when I fell into the void the whole time on acid. Since its not often that I get time off I was thinking its better to go a little to high and get the full picture of what its like than to take too little and be underwhelmed. I have a weirdly high tolerance to most drugs, even opiates and benzos.
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Yeah I would suggest starting with 2mg that is a full on +++ for most people. I personally have done 5mg many times but I am very experienced with this drug and I'm good at channeling the excess energy. The come-up on a dose like that is pretty intense and it last at least 24hrs, so if it gets overwhelming you will be in it for the long haul whether you like it or not. The stimulation is a beast at that level and the visuals are min boggling, it's one of my favorite drugs.
Personally tho my stash I have right now I will only be dosing 1-2mgs sporadically spread out over a long period of time. It's a very special compound and I hope you enjoy it, but please take your time and start out lower, I have known people to have challenging times even on 2mgs when I dose them so keep that in mind. You could always dose more at another time but if you take to much from the rip and get in over your head it may be regrettable.
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Thanks for the cautionary note, I'll re read trip reports and think about it some more
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I have taken DOC probably around 100 times, and I have never gone as high as 5mg. Usually 2mg is perfect for me. 3mg has me tripping very hard. I did 4.5mg once, but it was divided into 2 doses 4 or 5 hours apart, and it got pretty hectic, though it was a good trip in the end. For me, the vasoconstriction is noticeable at 3mg and above, whereas at 2mg, it isn't.
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Yeah, 3mg is a solid dose for sure.
Even a Day after 200ug of lsd a 3mg doc dose hits hard.
Its not the mental looping side effects that is most worisome with doc.
For me it carries a strong body load that can be quite intense on and off.
The combination with the long duration can make it a issue.
Doc is actually a very nice drug for lower doses, even 0,5-1mg gives a good body high with some sparkling.
Personally i feel doc works best as a base substance.
Then i will be using nitrous, ket and cannabis to keep it interesting.
Even cocaine works nicely with doc (small doses spread out)
And some seem to love it with mdma.
Even a Day after 200ug of lsd a 3mg doc dose hits hard.
Its not the mental looping side effects that is most worisome with doc.
For me it carries a strong body load that can be quite intense on and off.
The combination with the long duration can make it a issue.
Doc is actually a very nice drug for lower doses, even 0,5-1mg gives a good body high with some sparkling.
Personally i feel doc works best as a base substance.
Then i will be using nitrous, ket and cannabis to keep it interesting.
Even cocaine works nicely with doc (small doses spread out)
And some seem to love it with mdma.
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I personally enjoy DOC most at 2mg. 2.5mg is nice, too, but the side effects start to become noticeable (totally manageable) at that dose. That puts me at a +++ reliably. If you don't have experience with psychedelic amphetamines, then I'd say start low and get a feel for it. DOC offers a little something different at each dosage, and it steps up its game quickly. It's plenty active at 1.5mg. I'd be reluctant to go over 3mg on my first time even if I was a hardhead with other substances, because 3mg is already plenty strong.