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☛ Official ☚ The Big & Dandy DOC Thread - Third opinion

Bitchniggaz said:
Hard to compare, but 100-150ish i would say.
However you cant compare straight off since the difference in duration etc.

Doc is challenging in different ways then LSD.
It has a less confusing headspace but requires inner calm to handle the length.

It can literally feel like a never ending day on doc.
This can be very blissful or quite trauamatic depending on set &setting.

I know how i like to have my doc trips.
But i would not like to find out on 3mg's my first time.

I dont remember what dose i started with, but i know i did less then 1mg .several Times.
Doc is very nice on lower doses.
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So you think 3mg is too much for a first time dose? 100-150 mics of lsd seems a little low, but as you said this compound is a unique beast with different qualities. Though my last trip (350 mics for lsd) the other month got really messy 5-6 hours into the experience. I was having a pleasant trip and within seconds the acid reared it’s ugly head like a snake. Everything descended into chaos as my senses were thrown into disorder and disorientation. Luckily I had etizolam and after 2-3mg my equilibrium was restored.

Perhaps I will do 2-2.5 mg at the max. I’m glad to hear the head space is clearer than traditional Psych’s. If trouble does indeed arise I have an arsenal of etizolam and lyrica. I love trying to new psychs and this one in particular has been of interest for quite some time. The only issue I have at the moment is finding enough time to begin this long journey.

Fron what I’ve gathered the come up can be rough and a little unpleasant. Is there anything I can do to lessen the discomfort of that phase? I don’t want to take too much etizolam as it might dull the rest of the trip. Perhaps some lyrica may be able to combat that uncomfortable stage. Or rather a very low dose of etiz at 0.25-0.5mg in conjunction with 300mg of lyrica?
 
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The come up can produce some unpleasant physical limb energy but if I am doing something physical it feels good and there isn't any uncomfortable part. If I'm sitting around the house waiting for it, it will be unpleasant. My favorite way to do DOC is spend the day hiking or doing some other outdoor activity.

Pre-loading with phenibut works really well to make the whole thing more euphoric and smooth. Lyrica would do a similar thing, but probably even moreso.
 
3mg is not too much for first time usage IMO so long as you heed the advice to be active through the entire come-up. The first time I used DOC I thought that I could just channel the energy I'd been told about into art and music, and that I'd be fine being in my apartment. It turned out to be a totally false assumption, and would have been a terrible time had I not been able to easily get myself into nature to hike. As soon as I started moving, all the discomfort shifted into a beautiful and pleasurable aliveness in my body.
 
Yeah the last few times I’ve tripped I did so in a sedentary manner. I will make sure to keep it moving the first few hours or so. I have a tendency to wanna stay in safe place during my come ups to avoid being subjected uncomfortable situations.
 
psy997 said:
3mg is not too much for first time usage IMO so long as you heed the advice to be active through the entire come-up. The first time I used DOC I thought that I could just channel the energy I'd been told about into art and music, and that I'd be fine being in my apartment. It turned out to be a totally false assumption, and would have been a terrible time had I not been able to easily get myself into nature to hike. As soon as I started moving, all the discomfort shifted into a beautiful and pleasurable aliveness in my body.
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Yeah i agree, most of my doc trips have been around 2.5-3mg's.

Never felt the need to push it higher, its not something you want to risc taking to much of.

My last doc trip was quite weird, i was at a 2day psy mini festival.
I had taken my last dose of kratom on friday morning (been on a +1year 5-10g a Day Habit)

My plan was to trip ballz the whole weekend and ease out the wd's with loads of nitrous and ketamine.

On friday night i did about 200ug's of needlepoint and did loads of ket, gas and cannabis.
Then on saturday around 14 i took a pressed pellet that is supposed to be 3mg.

From previous exp ive noticed that lsd and doc doesnt have much cross tolerance.
I can det trip hard if i take them just a day apart.
Esp with high amounts of nitrous and ket in My system.

It was quite spectacular but also quite challenging..
I was def feeling some wd's from the kratom all day.
However the high amounts of druginess kept it under control.
But i had the sensation of balancing on a razorblade all day.
Like my pain receptors were confused and slowly getting more sensitive.

Time dilation became insane and the day just kept going and going...
The party was going in untill around 10am sunday...
So i had about 20hours of dark psytrance pumping through the 20kw system..

Luckily i love that shit and could just enjoy the drawn out experience..
I kept it fresh by all the drugs i mentioned, and during the night i also added small bumps of cocaine to the mix.(or whatever mix of shit they call coke nowadays)

I was a bit hesitant of how it would mix, but it was actually a great addition to THE cocktail.
However without the ket,gas, alcohol and weed Idk if i would have enjoyed the C.
It was a nice way to keep my mood up during the late hours.


Anyway after that weekend i doubt i will ever take more then 3mg's of doc.
The risc of getting overwhelmed by its combo of duration and physical pull doesnt seem very nice imo.
Also the fear of overdose could probably be traumatic af.

I would instead recomend it as a good base for polydrug megabinge...
Respecting its atributes and not so anything stupid though.
I would probably never mix it with longer acting stims or anything similar to mdma etc.
However the cocaine felt very nice with it.
(Dont really like cocaine othervice)


My next time i would like to add about 15-20mg of 4acodmt at about +10-14h into the trip.
When the peak is creeping down but you still are quite stimulated and have a long time left before sober.
I have a feeling that the sedating nature of 4aco will blend excellent with the more stimmy doc.
 
Regarding adding 4-AcO-DMT... one of the best trips of my entire life was when I added 30mg of 4-HO-MiPT to the tail end of a great DOC trip (8 to 10 hours in). It was absolute magic, a very impactful and colorful experience. I was at a Dark Star Orchestra show and had many insights into myself and my life which I still carry with me today.
 
tried it at 1.75mg just got really jittery ..... almost agitated.....feel i underdosed but had definite psychedelic effects yet subtle ......if I were to try again at say 2mg.....do you feel that when you get a "proper" dose some of the excess jitters wears away?

also will add in 1g phenibut next time...the nervous energy is not fun

side note: would DOM lack the jitters?
 
The first part of the trip, the come-up and early peak, has a lot of energy, and I feel unpleasant if I sit around, I have to be doing something. Favorite activity is hiking, but even just hanging out and talking to people is good, basically I need to move my body and have something to occupy my attention. it isn't the kind of psychedelic for laying down with your eyes closed and trying to go inward. it is a very outward-focused thing.

After about hour 8 or so, it levels off into a more comfortable plateau stage. But again, I find it comfortable the whole time, if I channel my energy into doing something.

Phenibut definitely helps with comfort too, it's a great combo with DOC.
 
SsamuraiXtc said:
tried it at 1.75mg just got really jittery ..... almost agitated.....feel i underdosed but had definite psychedelic effects yet subtle ......if I were to try again at say 2mg.....do you feel that when you get a "proper" dose some of the excess jitters wears away?

also will add in 1g phenibut next time...the nervous energy is not fun

side note: would DOM lack the jitters?
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Move, go outside, walk, run, roll in the grass, whatever! The jitters won't go away and it's probably even more present with larger doses.
It's by being physically active and not thinking about the bodyload that you learn to work with it and eventually love it. It's not an indoor type of drug though, unless you're just very experienced with DOx, and even then, a couple of hours of physical activity does a world of good.

I believe that DOM would lack a lot of the jitters yes :) DOI & DOB should be even more stimulating however.
 
im working out my doses....tryin to see what would be appropriate for a festie....thinking this is going to be my go to for outdoor festies....i want the lowest dosage that brings me where i wanna be ....next time will try 2mg with 1g phenibut hour before.....definitly a brewski on hand lol....stuff packs a kick

any gamers.....check out scarlet nexus - def a video game that lends itself well to the psychedelic experience
 
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good luck with your DOC experience! cool to see this substance around still. I found 4mg to be the perfect amount back in my days. good luck and stay safe friends

edit: i recall the body load to be kinda crappy for a bit. about the same with the 2c X
 
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yeah im thinking i underdosed....left with nervous energy.....upping the dosage should get me "high" and maybe the restlessness will become more enjoyable ..... til next time

if not ill be tryin to find some DOM
 
oh and for all the doubters of proscaline....i dosed 60mg and had my first autonomous experience CEV ~ moreso slipping into a dream state rather than an aware controllable CEV.....( a CEV non the less ...just different lol )
...saw ganesh sitting ...his trunk was spiraling out towards me ...hypnotizing me.....but i heard a voice in my head say "get out its evil" lol and i opened my eyes.....higher dosages i can tell are going to have some banging visuals.
 
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Nice! I have dosed proscaline at 50mg, only twice. The first time, I had a wonderful experience, no visuals or deep psychedelia but a lovely state of euphoria and inspiration, where my music playing and listening was vastly improved. it was so great. The second time I found it edgy and uncomfortable, but also I was in an uncomfortable situation at a friend's house due to some drama playing out between people I care about. I haven't tried it at a higher dose yet.
 
strangely enough with this one...the higher the dose the less edginess is present.....with proscaline at lower doses 15mg - 50mg ...i too felt the edginess.....but with the 60mg i had no edginess ......

another one that phenibut can help with ....maybe 250mg or 500mg just to chill out before hand....
 
Finally got my hands on this stuff! I've been trying to get a hold of it for awhile as it's highly recommended by someone I trust.

I just need to get some PG, oral syringes, and little bottles to do the liquid volumetric dosing. Or just use alcohol, whatever.

Does anyone have a brief little description of what doc is like, in comparison to any other psychedelics? I have tried a ton from every class, so am familiar. I'm gonna read back on the thread, but a short description would be tight if someone feels like it.

Also, what do you think would be a good dose to start at?

And I know it's like at least 16+ hours, but about how long does the whole experience last generally?
 
deficiT said:
Finally got my hands on this stuff! I've been trying to get a hold of it for awhile as it's highly recommended by someone I trust.

I just need to get some PG, oral syringes, and little bottles to do the liquid volumetric dosing. Or just use alcohol, whatever.

Does anyone have a brief little description of what doc is like, in comparison to any other psychedelics? I have tried a ton from every class, so am familiar. I'm gonna read back on the thread, but a short description would be tight if someone feels like it.

Also, what do you think would be a good dose to start at?

And I know it's like at least 16+ hours, but about how long does the whole experience last generally?
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Some say DOC is like acid, or mescaline. I prefer to think of DOC as DOC and an amphetamine psychedelic, the amphetamine changes so much that any comparisons to other psychedelics feel kind of forced, imo at least. It might be helpful to think of it as 2C-C + an amphetamine component, which does impact the general headspace and body a lot.
It is quite speedy, mentally too, but on the other hand there's like a calmness and clearheadedness throughout. It makes it like a very all encompassing experience, body & mind in tune, nice visuals, and you're fully in it but still very in control. Well this is at reasonable dosages at least (up to say 4mg), things might get very chaotic when dosed higher.

Amazing drug tbh, amazing music/sound enhancement that DOx have, great visuals, amazing bodyhigh, rough and gentle at the same time... One of the best recreational drugs for me. Moving is key though, especially during the first few hours because the stimulation can get rough if you're not used to it.

I'd take 2.5mg, it's what I did the first time and I ended up rolling and dancing in exceedingly green grass for a very long time, tears of joy, it was very epic. Things will slow down maybe 7-8 hours in, and the visuals, intensity and stimulation will fade into a sort of plateau that can last another 8+ hours. Definitely take the next day off, who knows when you might be able to sleep, benzos help.
 
there is a definite classic psychedelic feel in the vein of "tripping" ie shrooms / acid like......moreso than the "rolly tripping" feel of mdma / PEA's..... although i never really got to experience it in its true form as I underdosed but what from I could gather it felt like i was on the brink of an acid trip initially.....some nausea as well.....a good dose of ginger paste should abate that
 
deficiT said:
Finally got my hands on this stuff! I've been trying to get a hold of it for awhile as it's highly recommended by someone I trust.

I just need to get some PG, oral syringes, and little bottles to do the liquid volumetric dosing. Or just use alcohol, whatever.

Does anyone have a brief little description of what doc is like, in comparison to any other psychedelics? I have tried a ton from every class, so am familiar. I'm gonna read back on the thread, but a short description would be tight if someone feels like it.

Also, what do you think would be a good dose to start at?

And I know it's like at least 16+ hours, but about how long does the whole experience last generally?
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Alcohol is better to use than PG. It will dissolve much more readily and will preserve it better, too.

I would start at 2mg, personally, that's my usual dose. You might end up preferring 3mg but it's very strong and lasts for ages so it's best to go into it conservatively.

DOC is similar to both LSD and mescaline. There is a fluidity of thought and visual display like LSD (though the visuals are unique, it's just substantially more visual than mescaline, like LSD is), with the centered loving warmth and euphoria of mescaline, as well as the connection to your physical body of mescaline. It's as if LSD and mescaline had a love child; it has similarities to both but is unique.

The peak starts around 2-3 hours in, though you start to feel it around 45 minutes to an hour. The peak lasts until around hour 7 or 8. Then there is a long, gradual plateau which is fantastic. I am unable to sleep for around 24 hours, personally, but I get insomnia from psychedelics quite strongly. I will still definitely feel it at 18-20 hours, but it's mostly gone then. I also find that psychedelics last longer for me than most people, but I would count on at least 16 hours. But with that in mind, the second stage of it is very nice and comfortable. For me, it's not the kind of thing where it becomes boring and I just wish it would end, unlike some really long psychedelics.
 
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