☛ Official ☚ The Big & Dandy DOC Thread - Third opinion

[Mercurious]

greengummybear,
I'm actually in total agreement with you here. There is no doubt in my mind that LSD and mushrooms are safer--by a long shot! And yes, i fully realize DOC can kill in large doses. It may have killed this dude, as well. There's just so much information apparently lacking from the toxicological presumption that it killed that particular dude. Again, is it possible, if not likely? Absolutely. But, I'm trying to point out that DOC is, even in (over)doses ten times the recommended dose, relatively safe--if ill-advised. NBOMes are bad news, however, and shouldn't be linked or likened to DOC, which was really my main point.

 

[jankie]

For me DOC just wrecks havok on my central nervous system. it makes me jittery and a very irritable and angry son of a bitch for some reason. 6/10 times I just can't explain it. i've tried it from 1.75mg - 10mg. 3 times it wasn't a hell ride, and it had nothing to do with the dose as i have done it at least 20 times. it was about the 19th time when i asked myself "WHY" then the 20th time hammered the nails in that coffin for me. I won't be doing it again EVER. My ideal doses with it i found if i took anything less than 3mg i had an electric feeling inside of my feet which would make me horribly jittery. I wouldn't lose that feeling until i did 5mg, but by that point i was so fucking high that, That it would be night the next day and i would be lying in bed trying to get some sleep, combating the electric foot feeling that i had from doing anything less than 5 which makes me want to redose. But i don't because I'm not that stupid. Favorite ranges were between 5-6.75. 7-10 too much. amphetamine monsters in the shadows and things, aren't fun.

Glad I'm not the only one. This chemical made me want to crawl out of my skin…irritable and restless as fuck

 

[treezy z]

this shit is nasty, never doing it again, even if i do it in the AM i'm still not sleeping that night (24+ hours to sleep for me.)

 

[Inzo]

what the hell are ya'll talking about. I havent seen this many negative opionions on DOC ever. I like it personally, but it defefinitely has a physical push and mental aswell but if i get the dose just right its one of the few best i would say damn near classics. I think dosage has a lot to do with these neg reactions. Its extremely dose sensitive ofcourse with being active at 1-3mg. even below 1mg

 

[InterestingFACT]

I agree with the above poster. Though I think DOC has a very severe side effect profile, I think that it's positive effects easily outweigh it's side effects. If you're worried about the physical push, drink a bit or take a (small amount of) benzo for the come up.

 

[donvliet]

what the hell are ya'll talking about. I havent seen this many negative opionions on DOC ever. I like it personally, but it defefinitely has a physical push and mental aswell but if i get the dose just right its one of the few best i would say damn near classics.

Drug preference is very personal. Some people like stimulant type drugs, while others can't handle them. My ex wife couldn't handle LSD but loved shrooms and weed. I am the opposite. I like the mild stimulant aspect of LSD and DOC. On shrooms I feel like I'm almost falling asleep but am not actually able to. It's interesting to see how this aligns to our personalities. She is always stressful and has a difficult time to relax. I could do with some more energy in my life.

 

[Drew.]

I have a few reports written , but it seems to me that once I tried my first dose at 2.7mg, smaller dosages just burn me out but leaves me restless for a while. I tried halving the dose just a few weeks after and didn't like it at all! It seems like this drug is good for a strong trip if the dose is also strong enough... Like any other drug. But then you need to factor how long you'll be on it, etc.
I just find it odd I can't use this as a booster in small doses. Repeat trails of any drug seem to do that to me.
My most recent report was on new years when I went to a bar with a busload of people I didn't know ( I knew a relative and took 2.8 mg before heading out with them). Quite an interesting and overloading experience and setting. Lol got lots of talking to strangers though! I'd consider it an internal struggle, fear of the unknown and not fitting in that night that made me so proud of how I did. First time out on the scene in years since before my college years ,

 

[SONN]

It was about three years ago now, back when DOC was really popular in my area and easily acquired. I had actually chosen to buy a vial, but being perhaps a bit inexperienced (to say the least) I was dumb enough to transfer the contents into a Visine eye dropper bottle, typically administering about two drops as a 'dose.' (Essentially having no reliable way of measuring it, hence the naivete.) I know that when I bought the vial it was 100mg. At the time, I had had a few pet female Rats, and my girlfriend and I had gone away to the beach for a weekend; little did we know that one of our Rats had actually managed to escape in my room. Eventually making its way up to the top of my dresser drawer - where I had kept my vial out of plain sight, and for whatever reason was attracted to it because she actually chewed through the vial and consumed the remaining liquid. I'm going to estimate that it HAD to have been at least 15mg's she had taken, possibly more. When we got home we noticed we couldn't find her anywhere, and through some sixth sense I discovered that the vial had clearly been chewed through by a rat and put two and two together. Naturally, I was quite terrified and very upset with myself , expecting to find my rat horribly contorted and dead in some corner of my room under my bed, so I looked for her to no avail for two days. This was rather strange, but lo and behold , the third day rolled around and I discovered her, happy as ever, bruxting (a sort of purring that rats do when happy) behind my bed. We honestly couldn't believe this, but physically speaking she was totally fine. From then after she always exhibited a few strange signs, like she was always really 'spaced out' and wouldn't perform like rats normally do. She suddenly wasn't afraid out in the open - as rats are normally very careful and hug the walls - and she was constantly bruxting, like she basically never stopped after that point. She became a lot more sociable with people and ever more curious, in fact the whole thing was pretty awesome. Still though I personally find it incredible that a rat could have consumed a dose that I would have never myself considered taking and appeared to be completely fine. I think the highest I've gone is probably about 10 mgs and that was definitely too much. My rat probably weighed about a total of a pound. Any thoughts? I considered that the amphetamines in DOC ( even though I know they're minimal) alone would have been enough to kill a Rat, but apparently not because she lived a full live thereafter and never had any problems - and if anything was definitely enlightened to some degree by the experience. Oh she also loved when we'd blow weed in her face and would frequently steal and eat it as well.

ummmmm this may seem like a stupid question, but is that report about an actual rat? This isn't some sort of subtle SWIM reference? An actual rat, yeah? Wow, hella fucking dose for a rat!

lol what happy trippy little rat I fucking love that story

I can't believe I never wrote about my DOC dose miscalculation where I ended up weighing what showed up as like 1mg on my Gemini 20 but it was probably like at least 6mg.

I hastily weighed the DOC before class because there was a concert that night and I wanted to take the DOC in class so I would already be like 4 hours into the trip by the time the concert started. About an hour and forty five minutes after dosing I realized that my pupils were getting larger and I was walking faster, and colors seemed to slightly change. I was handling it very well in class and navigated home about two hours in. When I got home I took some dabs and did a tiny amount of MXE, then the trip seemed to get stronger at an alarming rate. Everything started to have a golden glow to it and started moving, the bodily stimulation sent me into an extremely sensual state where I thought about the women that I'd been trying to get with and ended up masturbating.

After that I felt very odd as if I was being "dirty" and started to trip way harder, My closed eye visuals were greenish reddish gold patterns and my entire frame of vision was shifting similar to this video about 3:25 in



I realized that I was possibly going to be tripping too hard for the show and decided to take some alprazolam powder I had but I wanted to be able to remember the show so I took a very tiny tiny crumb that really did nothing lol.

Then I was walking through the hood with my buddy on the way to his house because thats where we were leaving from. He stopped so he could talk to person he knew on the way and I started really freaking out because the hood is scary as fuck while you're tripping. I was looking up at the road ahead of me as it looked like a carpet flapping through the wind orchestrated into psychedelic depth-perceptionless slow motion. This was still only about 3 hours in, I was really starting to realize I was tripping wayy too hard. I went in my buddys house to pregame with everyone else who was going and the music they were playing started pitch shifting and I was getting such strong audio hallucinations it almost seemed like my own consciousness was trying to scare me out of going.

I was laying on my friend's bed and I kept sitting up and frantically holding my head like, "holy shit man I really don't know if i'm gonna make it this is like way too much!" eventually I piped up and said I needed a benzo or else I probably wouldn't be going. luckily my other friend had a liquid etizolam solution and he dropped like 6 drops of it on my tongue right off the bat(looking back now I would have had him only do 4 drops [1mg] or less)

so then we were on our way, I felt the immense pleasure of a super high dose of DOC but with none of the edge or anxiety involved.

gonna have to finish this later I gotta go but I will finish this soon I promise :D

 

[Toltec]

My best Doc experiences are with 4mg does, and during peek time, listening to Shpongle & or Entheogenic, then vaporizing DMT a few times... Just a Splendid feeling

 

[veodo]

DOC is great. Euforic, magic, erotic, great stim. Some muscle tensión at back os my head. Not bad at all. Chill.

Noticed that DOC has a strong metallic taste.

Onset in 3h. Duratión, ?

This at 1mg dose.

 

[Drew.]

Here are my recent findings on DOC:
- since my initial 2.75 mg trip, I've never been able to go lower or else it seems I crash within nine hours, and just feel overly exerted. I tried dosing at 1.5 and in was in bed sleeping after the nine hours .
- OPIATE WITHDRAWALS!!! I've never experienced this before.
The last two/three times I tried DOC, very near the beginning or halfway-through - my legs would start to ache as if I had been plugging morphine for months again. I had an uncomfortable time trying to figure out the pain - and then I took around 4g of maeng Da Kratom. Pain, withdrawals, GONE! I was super relaxed and happy the rest of the trip.

Why does this happen? I am using kratom daily for help with addiction... But never have I experienced such need to "relieve myself" from the pain unless I was severely addicted to opiates. Its like DOC shortens the time of potential withdrawal on me. Weird, right?

 

[AA357]

Why is DOC so long lasting but DOM isn't?

I have no problems sleeping 8 hours after taking DOM (5-10mg). Never tried DOC.

 

[pupnik]

I am at hour 4 from one blotter of doc
astonishingly slow to hit still seems to be on a ramp up.
sparkly and deep as lsd - smoother

 

[pupnik]

I am at hour 4 from one blotter of doc
astonishingly slow to hit still seems to be on a ramp up.
sparkly and deep as lsd - smoother

so it did level out at around hour 4 but the euphoria made it seem to keep building.
very sensual and sparkly - compares with lsd well - longer lasting - more amped but not messy like nbomes.
you really have to book the whole day for it yet have an expectation of slow ramp up.
my take is get more if you can.

it was still intense at hour 8

 

[Solipsis]

Why is DOC so long lasting but DOM isn't?

I have no problems sleeping 8 hours after taking DOM (5-10mg). Never tried DOC.

Perhaps cause the 4-methyl on DOM can be oxidized to have say a hydroxy etc which helps eliminate it from the body by the kidneys, but the 4-chloro on DOC cannot?

 

[cybergollum]

Tried DOC few weeks ago.

Dosage scheme was: 1 mg at T+0h, 1 mg at T+12h, ~2 mg at T+16-17h. Re-dosing wasn't planned and I wasn't underwhelmed (at least after initial dose). It just because I had no stuff to do on the next day and I wasn't exhausted or even tired. So I thought it wouldn't be a bad idea. And it wasn't after all But I think I should have avoided second re-dose with 2 mg (or keep it at 1 mg as were previous doses).

One thing I was disappointed about was come-up. It was pretty harsh I expected lesser body load from 1 mg. Good thing come-up after re-dosing wasn't that bad, I would say it was even pleasurable in some ways.

I liked a trip. I felt all good things people wrote here: pleasurable body high, good mood, some laugh, relaxation (actually I was yawning during plateau) and some gentle stimulation. Generally trip after initial dose and first re-dose was more about body high. Visual side was... weak to normal. OEVs definitely were and sometimes were strong enough (it was like intensity raised periodically like... in waves - there were few huge waves and a lot of small waves but generally OEVs were mild).

After second re-dose OEVs and especially CEVs were sooooo good, mmm... I listened to this and not only I felt like I was there in organ hall (note I consider myself as fan of such music, i visited hall like 10-15 times in my life) but in addition visuals had so complex and fluid structure I don't remember if I saw something similar before. Nice. It had impressed me.

I guess next time I will try single 2 or 2.5 mg. If come-up won't be much harsher as it was from 1 mg I will probably somewhen try 3 mg or even right 4mg. Not sure though... but who knows? Will see.

BTW, before I dissolved DOC I weighed it and...*drum roll*... it was heavier than expected! I am glad I weighed it. I ordered it from (as they all wrote about themselves) 'reputable and trusted source' which I use for last ~3 years so I was a bit shocked because when I had ordered, for example, methylone it always weighed as much as expected... Anyway, back to numbers. I ordered 100 mg and received 110 mg (plus DOC which remained on the sides of zip bag because I thought it would be better to dissolve 110 mg than 113.5 mg or smth). And I trust my scales because I checked it week or two before weighing and scales were ok. So I advise everyone who order high active substances like DOC to re-weigh their orders before going to liquid measurement. Good luck to all!

 

[Xorkoth]

^^ This is certainly good advice. What I actually do is weigh out 30mg and make a 1mg/mL solution in a 30mL vial, and leave the rest dry. That way even if I was given too much I will always know what strength my solution is, and it's always better to leave unused chemicals dry (though with phenethylamines it's not really an issue, practically speaking, since they're very stable).

With DOC and most psychedelics, the character of the experience is determined largely by the original dose, and every redose will be less and less effective and will mostly serve to increase duration and somewhat increase the strength of the effect you already had, and will be less and less effective after the first hour or two. If you had taken 2.5mg right off the bat you would have had a much stronger experience.

I find that sometimes I get rough come-ups from DOC, and sometimes they're smooth as silk. I've had rough come-ups from low doses and smooth come-ups from 3mg doses. I find that if I arrange to come up while outside exploring nature, hiking, etc, that the come-up will almost always be smooth and not rough at all, but if I take it and sit at home waiting to come up, it can be pretty jangly.

 

[psykedenlitenment]

Interesting you say that, as this weekend began with ~3 mgs on Saturday at 6:23 in the AM. I spent the whole trip cooped up and it really ran quite long. I napped intermittently from Sunday morning 2:00 through 6:30 AM and a bit more solidly in the afternoon. Slept like a rock last night but still am catching up. The come up was fine, or unnoticeable, until I got out of bed around 8, at which point the body load came on in the symptom of very tense legs. Time got really dilated, until I settled in, and I accomplished some chores I needed to do in the afternoon. In the evening I went to a Mardi gras party and felt less awkward than I normally do and actually ventured out socially (a little).

 

[cybergollum]

With DOC and most psychedelics, the character of the experience is determined largely by the original dose, and every redose will be less and less effective and will mostly serve to increase duration and somewhat increase the strength of the effect you already had, and will be less and less effective after the first hour or two.

Yeah, I know. That's why I decided to start low and then didn't afraid of re-dosing (I was ready for extra long duration and understood that another 1 mg won't be any stronger or harsher).

I find that sometimes I get rough come-ups from DOC, and sometimes they're smooth as silk. I've had rough come-ups from low doses and smooth come-ups from 3mg doses. I find that if I arrange to come up while outside exploring nature, hiking, etc, that the come-up will almost always be smooth and not rough at all, but if I take it and sit at home waiting to come up, it can be pretty jangly.

Interesting. I hope my next time will be better.
Anyway I am one of those guys who used drugs mostly at home so setting will be the same. I tried to use psychedelics outside few times but every time it was too distracting. I couldn't concentrate and was afraid if someone will notice that I am high and actually pretty inadequate :D (during those 'outside'-tries I hiked in a city at my district at day so there always were some people here or there)

...this weekend began with ~3 mgs on Saturday at 6:23 in the AM...
The come up was fine, or unnoticeable, until I got out of bed around 8, at which point the body load came on in the symptom of very tense legs.

Same for me! First 1-1.5 hours it was ok, even nice because of my expectations and a little enjoyable growing stimulation. But then as you said "very tense legs". It wasn't really bad, just... I didn't expect that it would be even close to any of tension at levels of 1 mg.

 

[Drew.]

I guess everyone it's different. The body load and tension i always have while experimenting with this goes away within 3-4 hours. After that its pure psychedelic bliss, and I remain completely functional for the next 24 hours.
My first try was 2.7 & my highest was 3 which i just completed this week.