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☛ Official ☚ The Big & Dandy DOC Thread - Third opinion

Adding to my previous post: how good and how safe is an opiate combination? I'm definitely not trying it my first time, but if the come down is leaving me too wired I'd love to plug some morphine.

I'm assuming this would be a relatively unsafe thing to use at the very start of a DOC experience, no?
 
Drew. said:
Adding to my previous post: how good and how safe is an opiate combination? I'm definitely not trying it my first time, but if the come down is leaving me too wired I'd love to plug some morphine.

I'm assuming this would be a relatively unsafe thing to use at the very start of a DOC experience, no?
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A short acting benzo might be better if the comedown leaves you too wired & you want to sleep.
 
I tried 1.5 mg of this on Friday, on blotters I got as a free sample, at a techno rave. The 'body-load' consisted of a stiff neck and jaw, which persisted until midway through the comedown, but little else. It was intensely euphoric after a perfectly comfortable come up (1 hour onset) and music was extremely enjoyable.

The setting was a mass of head-turning and eternally vigilant marching skinheads on coke, speed, GBL and poppers, few of whom seemed to care about the music, and plenty of whom were up for a brawl. This wouldn't have been a big deal sober either, but the DOC did nothing to exacerbate whatever minor discomfort was present, and instead I had a beautiful time melting to and feeling sorry for a couple of the other acts (almost regrettably so), one of whom looked awfully gaunt and crooked. Jaw tightness was ever present, but strong stimulation only transiently so, and I felt uncharacteristically physically tired by the end of the event. That soon passed though, and we were supremely comfortable drinking beers and laughing in the cold as the sun rose. This was the fabled DOC plateau, I suppose, and it lasted all day. I slept at T+18 (6 pm), and felt fresh and content the next morning.

All in all, this was great stuff! I got some visual enhancement at the peak, with a hint of movement with concentration, but nothing very present. It always felt very unthreatening though. Would do again, perhaps at 2 mg.
 
Kratom and DOC works fine... morphine as well. Opiates seem to bring DOC down less than they do for most psychedelics. Nausea was never a problem for me, I could imagine if they take them at the same time it could be but I always took kratom once the DOC was in full swing, sometimes if the peak got me a little nervous but usually during the plateau.
 
Drew. said:
I use Kratom as well. Did you use during? Any insight? I assume it would be nauseating to both do at once...
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I took them both at the same time, so the kratom was in full effect when the DOC began to take hold. I want to say it was something like 3mg of DOC and a medium sized dose of kratom based on my tolerance at the time. The nausea I get from DOC is pretty mild so I wasn't too concerned about the combination. The kratom took a bit of the stimulating edge off of the DOC without really diminishing the psychedelic headspace much. It was very comfortable and probably my most euphoric DOC experience to date, even if it was slightly less profound. If you're worried about nausea with DOC, I have found the best solution is to eat a light meal about two hours before dosing, have plenty of water and a light snack (I like to have a little fresh fruit) available for the come up, and stay active or keep your mind occupied with something else. Still, I've taken DOC several times in amounts ranging from 800 micrograms to 5 milligrams and haven't ever even felt close to vomiting.
 
So, the internets were stupid (read: user error) last yesterday. It was a bit of a lack luster experience. It was a new batch, so some tweaking in dosage may be in order. This is the substance I'll be working with in the coming months
 
I have been reading much of what you've said throughout this topic, Xorkoth, and I want to thank you for all your amazing input. I will definitely be experimenting with this on the weekend most likely. All I need is to prepare the solution/dilution.
1mg will likely be ingested and reported on.

Edit: any difference in what kind of alcohol I use?
 
When I make blotters, I use grain alcohol because it evaporates rapidly. I believe regular 40% vodka would also be suitable; the idea is to create a harsh environment for bacteria so they don't grow.
 
After researching psychedelics and considering DOC I, being myself, will avoid working with DOC. The consequences aren't so sweet and for friends of mine some bitterness lingers about this. Here I'm thinking out loud... I live in the U.S.A. and our leaders have busted their way to the largest prison population in the world, 10x the incarceration per capita of other de veloped countries. I wonder how incarcerating so many people was possible. I can not prove any obvious manipulation.

The people in other developed countries are living breathing humans with similar blood flowing through their veins (similar enough to get blood transfusions from eachother). Those other places have lower or similar crime rates. Americans aren't naturally 10x as violent. Do you think it's possible the government could be involved in some type of less than obvious manipulation?

Perhaps the people in power need to sterilize the environment so they maintain control. They need to eliminate every possible source of contamination. If so this policy is corrupt and I will be working on greater solutions. The United States has much higher income inequality than the developed countries with the lowest incarceration rates. Could the American government target the people threatening the elites power, the people capable of noticing the details? Whatever has enabled the income inequality and high incarceration rate I can not prove. If I notice I'll point out any obvious manipulation.

Historically LSD has consistently had strong social influence. People consuming LSD often cause conflict with the elite and empower the disenfranchised. We have learned other chemicals (such as psychedelic amphetamines) have less serious impacts. I think I will avoid working with DOC and I'll be eating mushies (free spores from cow poo and all of the supplies are available at Wal Mart). If I will ever meet a person with something greater I will have something worth trading. I'll adjust my tin foil hat now and quit taking about claims of governments less than obvious manipulations.
 
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^^^ USA's prison system is privatised with a guaranteed number of inmates by the 'justice system'. That's why the incarceration rate is so high - they have a quota to fill.
 
Drew. said:
I have been reading much of what you've said throughout this topic, Xorkoth, and I want to thank you for all your amazing input. I will definitely be experimenting with this on the weekend most likely. All I need is to prepare the solution/dilution.
1mg will likely be ingested and reported on.

Edit: any difference in what kind of alcohol I use?
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I used this stuff, but don't drink it, it's vile.

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Thanks for the tip! Vodka /rum seems the way to go; I have everything I need to venture into this but the alcohol , which will be acquired tonight.
Attempt at 1mg should be just enough to over power my odd ability to burn out hours of not taking enough of virtually any substance: be it MDMA or LSD. I don't want to just be stimulated and tired; somehow I think 1mg won't do this.
Could be wrong, of course.
 
1 mg will, most likely, stimulate you without having obtrusive visuals. Maybe a little wiggling in the corners of your eyes. But easily controlled around people, if need be. YMMV. Enjoy exploring!
 
1mg of DOC is most certainly active, even .5mg is active. Like the above poster said, it will be controllable and probably not visual at all but you'll have a little trip, it will be more than simple stimulation.

trozzle said:
^^^ USA's prison system is privatised with a guaranteed number of inmates by the 'justice system'. That's why the incarceration rate is so high - they have a quota to fill.
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It's disgusting but true.
 
I took 1mg recently (IMed) which gave me very light (too light) visuals for some hours.. then an effect where my thoughts were going too fast for sober people. Kinda jumbled up my thinking. It seems worth it to me to just take a little more instead.
 
yaesutom said:
I took 1mg recently (IMed) which gave me very light (too light) visuals for some hours.. then an effect where my thoughts were going too fast for sober people. Kinda jumbled up my thinking. It seems worth it to me to just take a little more instead.
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I have been debating this for twelve hours. Figured I'd try 2-2.5 .
I will likely edit my post to show progress of this venture. Toodles!
Edit: I took 2.7-2.8 mg

Oh my goodness. It works.
 
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That's gonna be a full trip. Enjoy. :) Sometimes the come-up period can be a bit jangly and uncomfortable, sometimes it's not too. It's always worth it though. :)
 
Yea except for the residual stimulation leaves you up for hours after!!! Lol there is no magic with this one just euphoria the first time you take it. And thoughts get pretty fucking weird very looping thoughts . Visual effects and design frame rate etc is superb though acid Esq. visuals just no magic. And no sleep meh.... I will stick with 4 ho/aco met I find that much superior. Though doc is great with ecstasy. Happy holidays and research drew.
 
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