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The Big & Dandy DOC Thread (Part 1)

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IamMe90 said:
I also ended up dosing 13mg on two wheat thins (as 6.5 on each) and accidentally ingesting all of it in the airport... needless to say this was an extremely intense experience. Luckily, it turned out completely fine, even fantastic - but I would caution everyone to be reaaaally careful, I saw the potential for this to be really overwhelming and negative if I hadn't my partner to talk me down.
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If it was the purple hued batch... I'm floored. I know a few people who thought roughly 2mgs was the most intense experience they've ever had.

I've had 3mgs at most and I was mentally fine, but that was like 16 hours of the physical world being insane.

I can't even imagine what 13mgs must have been like.

Good idea for a short term carrier, though.
 
1.5mg was a million times more intense than I had anticipated, and the body load was excruciating (I felt amazing, but my back... my god! The tension!). So I can't imagine a dose of nearly 10x that amount.

edit: also I find this drug super sexual and erotic. IME, it would have been perfect for an adults-only evening with the wife.
 
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I get absolutely no bodyload from sub 10mg doses but the bodyload was pretty heavy at 13, yeah. I mean, for me vomiting on DOC was very very unprecedented.
 
I need to find some way to reduce the muscle tension before I take this again. I felt like I was candyflipping, which was great, but within ten seconds of peaking I realized my back and jaw were going to be in for a world of hurt later.

I've never caught myself grinding so hard and I could not get the tension in my back to release, no matter what I did. Stretching, rolling around on the floor, nothing I did changed it.

Also I found this to be a really selfish drug - I never felt a sense of connectedness or oneness. There was no transcendence or profound insight at any stage.

Currently I'm thinking this one is more of a fun drug or sex drug.

I was only at 1.5mg, and I was in the worst possible setting I could be in, but I can't even imagine what my body would have felt like at 2.0mg. I feel like I would have no teeth left and my spine would be broken.
 
JBrandon said:
I need to find some way to reduce the muscle tension before I take this again. I felt like I was candyflipping, which was great, but within ten seconds of peaking I realized my back and jaw were going to be in for a world of hurt later.

I've never caught myself grinding so hard and I could not get the tension in my back to release, no matter what I did. Stretching, rolling around on the floor, nothing I did changed it.

Also I found this to be a really selfish drug - I never felt a sense of connectedness or oneness. There was no transcendence or profound insight at any stage.

Currently I'm thinking this one is more of a fun drug or sex drug.

I was only at 1.5mg, and I was in the worst possible setting I could be in, but I can't even imagine what my body would have felt like at 2.0mg. I feel like I would have no teeth left and my spine would be broken.
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I felt exactly the same way about this until my accidental 13mg dose. It was all of the above criteria that sadly aren't fulfilled at lower doses. But, it is quite a harrowing dose to take.
 
Based on my experience, I feel like your thoughts would become so manic and frenzied it wouldn't be possible to hold onto a single insight or thought at that dose. There is a good TR on Erowid where someone takes 15mg and he basically winds up in a curled up ball on the sidewalk for 8 hours.

Also, at 1.5mg, I was done with all effects by 10-11 hours, and in fact falling asleep.

I was completely done with any psychedelic / visual / stim effects by 8-9 hours, but I had a minor "fog" that didn't clear up until 10-11 hours post-dose.

I was stunned at how short the trip was, TBH. The come-up took 2-3 hours, plateau was about 3 to 4 hours and then it was a steady and smooth comedown from there until 8-9 hours after dosing.
 
I agree! I'm glad I'm not the only one - the majority of the effects are over after 10 hours for me, there is a very faint visual persistence for awhile after that but nothing I can't sleep through.
 
^ was your 13mg the purple tinted batch? It seems the other current white batch is of just a fraction of the purple's purity.
 
At some point there was a batch going around which was identified as 2C-I...

I feel like I had an almost ecstasy-like hangover a day (36 hours) later too. Really foul mood, irritable and crabby... could have been other things but I slept well and it was such a pronounced effect I am tempted to attribute it to the compound.

Also quite funny how much activity there is in the DOC, DPT, 4-aco, and 4-ho threads right now... what a coincidence!
 
I know! I wonder why that coincidence could be... hmmm.

I'm gonna try 2 mg of the purple batch in a few days. I'm pretty pumped.
 
JBrandon said:
I need to find some way to reduce the muscle tension before I take this again. I felt like I was candyflipping, which was great, but within ten seconds of peaking I realized my back and jaw were going to be in for a world of hurt later.

I've never caught myself grinding so hard and I could not get the tension in my back to release, no matter what I did. Stretching, rolling around on the floor, nothing I did changed it.

Also I found this to be a really selfish drug - I never felt a sense of connectedness or oneness. There was no transcendence or profound insight at any stage.

Currently I'm thinking this one is more of a fun drug or sex drug.

I was only at 1.5mg, and I was in the worst possible setting I could be in, but I can't even imagine what my body would have felt like at 2.0mg. I feel like I would have no teeth left and my spine would be broken.
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Try preloading with magnesium. I personally have gotten pretty minimal bodyload from DOC, but preloading with magnesium has all but negated jaw clenching & muscle tension from methylone & MDMA. Don't think i'll ever take an empathogen without it again. And you can get a huge bottle of it for like $12 at the health food store or pharmacy


Psyke said:
^ was your 13mg the purple tinted batch? It seems the other current white batch is of just a fraction of the purple's purity.
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Dunno how many batches are going around right now, but mine is white and 2.55mg was a strong +++ for about 12-14hrs. Full of wall melting, entire visual field encompassing, almost unable to recognize my apartment type visuals with some notable residual effects lasting an additional 11hrs. I did sleep as the main effects were waning, but woke up still off baseline. Felt pretty much normal around T+23
 
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^You can get a bottle of magnesium citrate (used for a laxative) for like $2 bucks at pretty much any grocery store. It's good for about 30 solid doses of magnesium too. Just don't drink too much or you'll get the shits!
 
I have a giant bottle of magnesium chelate, I just didn't take any as I did not anticipate this kind of wrenching back tension. It was insane. I am stunned my back wasn't killing me the next day.

I also attempted a psychedelic shit under the influence of the DOC because I felt like every body orifice was leaking. I was sitting there, tripping balls and sweating my sack off, and I swear I was taking a dump but then I looked in the bowl and there was nothing... then I wiped and there was nothing... a ghost shit!
 
JBrandon said:
edit: also I find this drug super sexual and erotic. IME, it would have been perfect for an adults-only evening with the wife.
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Can't agree more, on 2mg for both me and a girl, we fucked for something like 7, maybe 8? hours. It was mostly my doing though, I felt so gone that I couldn't even keep track of my thoughts and over and over I just kept finding this awesomely naked girl. Great time.
 
Cloak effect

It seems like Shulgin described a 'cloak effect'...could this be what you are experiencing - physically- with the jaw and back muscle contraction....

Or is it the Telemere Factor...

Glad there have been lots of postings - good information to make future decisions...
 
I finally have some access to DOC!!!!!

The stuff I have access to is purple tinged in colour. Am I correct in thinking that the most potent batch about is the purple-hued DOC?

Can't wait to give this a go - looks incredible! Dosage sensitivity looks a bit of a nightmare though, so will have to be particularly careful with it. I'm stoked, as it is tied with DOM as the chemical I'd most like to try!

I seemed to have developed a bit of an obsession with this compound - after reading a number of hugely fascinating trip reports. Had nothing but incredible experiences with 2C-P, so I have really high hopes for this compound.
 
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These reports about massive muscle tensions with the purple batch are weird, I have taken white crystalline DOC (first european batch) up to 12mg and even at this dose the bodyload was much milder than what I get from 20mg 2C-E and on par with 60mg of 4-Aco-DMT (that is to say mainly nausea).
 
Does anyone know if there is any probable cross tolerance between this and MDMA?

Say if one was to take MDMA on a friday night, then take this on a Saturday evening, would a significantly diminished response to the DOC be expected? Or would there be very little impact?

I'm not concerned about negative moods post-MDMA, as I usually experience a strong afterglow the next day.
 
Its DOC time!!!

Really hope this is as good as I hope it will be - been looking forward to this for ages - chance to taste a whole new (and fascinating) class of compounds.
 
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