The Big & Dandy DOC Thread (Part 1)

[allium]

How much is your drop? Why not just use 2cc syringe? It has resolution up to 0.1 ml.

 

[abrad84]

You can actively discourage as much as you like mate, I'm old enough to know what I'm doing & I can't "undilute" this stuff now anyway, can I? & if I could, I wouldnt, because it'll screw up the rest of my testing. IF I get more & IF I decide to change my method, I'll let you know if there are any quantitive changes in the dose per dose effects. I doubt there will be.

I really don't care what you do so don't bother letting me know. I'd be more worried about somebody who isn't as clever as you claim to be trying this method and fucking up, ending up with a overly potent mixture.

 

[Survived Abortion]

How do YOU know it ISN'T working perfectly!

Look, I'm not a bloody idiot. I know what I'm doing. I've got a way of measuring miniscule doses of this compound & I am working my way up the dosage ranger & am noticing differences as I increase my intake.

If you read the drops versus measured ml dosing study I linked & will link to again, you'll see that my method MAY be only slightly less accurate at worst. But may equally be entirely accurate. I only got 10mg of this, mixed it immiediately with my vodka & have dosed effectively twice from it. I won't get another chance to try this stuff unless my man gets more in so I'm going on with what I've got.

I stand firmly behind my method, as far as I can tell, & once again, I am NOT an idiot, it's working just fine.

Every drop may indeed be differently sized but it all evens out when you're using 20 drops. I've a steady hand & I watch the drops. Provided one knows how many drops one has in ones container, & how much material is desolved in the drops, viola! This is no more or less accurate than your average scale, which has a +/- percentage to some degree anyway.

Sorry mate, but you're just wrong in this instance. Nobody is calling you an idiot. But, you cannot know the volume of liquid contained in a "drop". A "drop" of solution is not a standardized measurement because you cannot know the exact volume of the solution in a drop, unless you subsequently measure the volume. Whether you think you know how many "drops" make up the totality of the volume of liquid you are starting with is irrelevant. You don't know the volume of liquid involved, and thus you don't know how much chemical you are ingesting. You definitely cannot be certain to measure in 50 microgram increments.

I'm pointing this out so that other people don't use this method. Especially for a substance so potent, it is pretty much the same as eyeballing.

 

[allium]

I don't really advice using this method, especially if one is going to take the substance orally, but still, the information in TheAzo's thread sustains this method.
You can easily obtain volume per drop from that thread, or alternatively you can just take 100-200 drops of your solution, measure this amount and then just do simple math.

Also, if we assume that probability distribution is symmetrical, and that the dose consists of large enough number of droplets(I would say 10+), then chances dosing MUCH higher are quite low.

I suggest conducting your own experiment with plain water before blaming this method of dosing.

 

[PhyllipThylamine]

Sorry mate, but you're just wrong in this instance. Nobody is calling you an idiot.

I'm pointing this out so that other people don't use this method. Especially for a substance so potent, it is pretty much the same as eyeballing.

Good, because I am not an idiot. And, although my postcount isnt, I have been here for YEARS & I am OLD compared to most of you here. You don't live long in this business "eye-balling" doses of Doc & in all honesty, I am fucking offended that anyone should consider my method the equivlent of "eye-balling" anything! My measurements stand up fine according to the thread about liquid dosing. I know it is safe because I am quantifaibly aware of the subtle difference in my dosage increments. My main concern with Doc is it's strength so my compound is highly diluted, 10mg in 200 drops. Using the same dropper & the same container, the amount of liquid didn't change once I added the material. If it changed it must have increased the size of my drops by some miniscule amount too, because there were still 200 drops in my bottle AFTER I added the material.

Yes, clearly a "drop" is not an accurate measurment of LIQUID. But drops average out & if my solution is so weak that I need 25 drops to get a threshold of, say, 1.25mg I really doubt that the active amount has varied by more than a few micrograms.

...if we assume that probability distribution is symmetrical, and that the dose consists of large enough number of droplets(I would say 10+), then chances dosing MUCH higher are quite low.

I suggest conducting your own experiment with plain water before blaming this method of dosing.

Me too!

I cannot recomend this method to anyone else, as it's the first time I've gotten anything other than Phenazepam that needed liquid dilution to measure allergy testing doses & because there seems to be some distress about it in this thread. Those in distress need only know that I am quite certain that, when I think I've had 1.5mg of Doc I've had damned close to 1.5mg. Close enough that I am confident about making that claim. I would not claim anything here in public, something that could affect someone elses health if I were not damned certain of it. I am deeply disinclined to overdo Doc in dosage or regularity & advise anyone using psychedelics to take the same if not MORE precautions.

Once again, to suggest that I, a grown adult with more years of drug experience than most of you have had on the planet, am being irresponsible, is offensive to me & I'm not gonna pretend otherwise.

 

[IamMe90]

Good, because I am not an idiot. And, although my postcount isnt, I have been here for YEARS & I am OLD compared to most of you here. You don't live long in this business "eye-balling" doses of Doc & in all honesty, I am fucking offended that anyone should consider my method the equivlent of "eye-balling" anything! My measurements stand up fine according to the thread about liquid dosing. I know it is safe because I am quantifaibly aware of the subtle difference in my dosage increments. My main concern with Doc is it's strength so my compound is highly diluted, 10mg in 200 drops. Using the same dropper & the same container, the amount of liquid didn't change once I added the material. If it changed it must have increased the size of my drops by some miniscule amount too, because there were still 200 drops in my bottle AFTER I added the material.

Yes, clearly a "drop" is not an accurate measurment of LIQUID. But drops average out & if my solution is so weak that I need 25 drops to get a threshold of, say, 1.25mg I really doubt that the active amount has varied by more than a few micrograms.



Me too!

I cannot recomend this method to anyone else, as it's the first time I've gotten anything other than Phenazepam that needed liquid dilution to measure allergy testing doses & because there seems to be some distress about it in this thread. Those in distress need only know that I am quite certain that, when I think I've had 1.5mg of Doc I've had damned close to 1.5mg. Close enough that I am confident about making that claim. I would not claim anything here in public, something that could affect someone elses health if I were not damned certain of it. I am deeply disinclined to overdo Doc in dosage or regularity & advise anyone using psychedelics to take the same if not MORE precautions.

Once again, to suggest that I, a grown adult with more years of drug experience than most of you have had on the planet, am being irresponsible, is offensive to me & I'm not gonna pretend otherwise.

Well sorry, you sound like an idiot to me. OR rather, incredibly stubborn and arrogant. Having years of psychedelic experience in no way qualifies you to eyeball the volume of irregular drops. Many very experienced posters here have given you factual reasons why you are simply wrong, and you refuse to acknowledge them. This is stupidity and irresponsibility. This has nothing to do with already having diluted the solution; all you have to fucking do is buy an oral syringe (or maybe get one for free) for at most a very minimal sum. What the fuck is the problem? You are being stubborn to the Nth degree. I'm not going to "pretend otherwise."

 

[pharmakos]

using pipettes or oral syringes or whatnot *will* still be more accurate than the drop method though i'm not one to talk though, i once dosed DOC with a teaspoon because i couldn't find my oral syringe.

 

[IamMe90]

Yeah, I mean as long as you're not going to DIE (which improbable if you have ANY reasonable experience eyeballing) and you admit that it's stupid/inaccurate, fine by me. just don't try to dicksize your 20 years of experience while doing something blatantly stupid. There are some IDIOTIC "experienced" oldies; someone smoked 20g of am-2201 in a month. yet he is a 50 year old hippie..

 

[abrad84]

Once again, to suggest that I, a grown adult with more years of drug experience than most of you have had on the planet, am being irresponsible, is offensive to me & I'm not gonna pretend otherwise.

It's ironic that whenever anybody starts using this argument it makes them appear really fucking immature. You have idea how old "most of us" are and besides, age does not equate wisdom! I'm sure there are people here much younger than me that are very knowledgable.

 

[IamMe90]

Hey guys, what is a good carrier I can use to lay 80 proof DOC solution onto for travel purposes? (gotta go thru the airport soon..). The solution is 15mL to 200mg DOC.... I'd like to dose around 3mg per dose. I tried using altoids but they get oversaturated by even .3mL and cannot hold the entire solution. Maybe sugar cubes? Something bigger, at any rate I think...

 

[villian]

sugar cubes are the first that that come to mind. why don't you just keep the solution in a eye drops container? i'm 99% sure you can bring them on a plane because the container is so small. you might want to google to be sure but I brought some within the past year and was fine (before the backscatter machines were deployed)

 

[|>R()|)!G/-\|_]

I'd think a bag full of sugarcubes would be a bit suspect. What are you going to tell security, that you like your tea with 40 lumps?

 

[shishigami]

sugar cubes are the first that that come to mind. why don't you just keep the solution in a eye drops container? i'm 99% sure you can bring them on a plane because the container is so small. you might want to google to be sure but I brought some within the past year and was fine (before the backscatter machines were deployed)

We shouldn't even be discussing getting it onto a plane.

Hey guys, what is a good carrier I can use to lay 80 proof DOC solution onto for travel purposes? (gotta go thru the airport soon..). The solution is 15mL to 200mg DOC.... I'd like to dose around 3mg per dose. I tried using altoids but they get oversaturated by even .3mL and cannot hold the entire solution. Maybe sugar cubes? Something bigger, at any rate I think...

I found that sugar cubes can hold about .4 mL before they start to leak or disintegrate. I believe that when people dose on candy they either put use a small amount of liquid or multiple candies per full dose.

The latter is what I plan on doing. Either 0.25 or 0.5 mg per sugar cube so that the dose is flexible.

 

[bbx4]

Hey guys, what is a good carrier I can use to lay 80 proof DOC solution onto for travel purposes? (gotta go thru the airport soon..). The solution is 15mL to 200mg DOC.... I'd like to dose around 3mg per dose. I tried using altoids but they get oversaturated by even .3mL and cannot hold the entire solution. Maybe sugar cubes? Something bigger, at any rate I think...

You can carry liquid under 4 oz. Put it in an empty eyedrop container, or contacts case, etc. Easy.

 

[PhyllipThylamine]

It's ironic that whenever anybody starts using this argument it makes them appear really fucking immature. You have idea how old "most of us" are and besides, age does not equate wisdom! I'm sure there are people here much younger than me that are very knowledgable.

*yawn*

I'm doing just fine, go away! You come across a self-righteous know-it-all but you dont see me going on about it!

 

[any major dude]

sorry to harp on this, but BL's stated purpose is harm reduction, and we're simply discouraging this method because someone could more easily screw up & end up in a bad situation than with standard volumetric dosing.

The DOC in solution doesn't "bulk up" the volume of the liquid, it just changes the density, a slight distraction could result in miscounting drops, one could squeeze the dropper bulb (or god forbid sweet breath or eyedrop bottle) at different pressures from time to time, etc.

Ultimately its your body & your decision, and according to theAZO's thread, if done carefully the method you speak of can be fairly accurate. However i personally wouldn't be comfortable with "fairly," but like i said earlier, ultimately your decision. And this would be different if people were trying to convince you to buy a $200 electronic pipette, but oral syringes are available from free up to $2 or $3, just seems both simpler & more accurate.

If you were to buy an oral syringe you could still use your solution by subtracting the amount you've already taken (i'd say account for an additional 10-15% as per the margin of error noted in the other thread), measure the amount left, & do a little math

 

[IamMe90]

*yawn*

I'm doing just fine, go away! You come across a self-righteous know-it-all but you dont see me going on about it!

I think everyone actually sees you going on about it when after a couple of reasonable suggestions you go on about your experience and age and call people "self-righteous" - it seems as if only one person has a huge point to prove here.

 

[PhyllipThylamine]

Fair enough, I stand corrected

I dont have tolerance to Phens but I guess that could factor into the "drops" equation too. & of course, there's no real guarrantee that my scale or that of my mate measured 10mg with complete accuracy.

I feel pretty certain, in case anyone hadn't gathered that, that my measurements are accurate enough & given my experience with psychedelics the effects appear to correspond with those reported by others & correlate with my low weight & lack of tolerance. I had a considerably stronger & more difficult trip on 2c-e recently & I'm 100% certain my measurents were entirely accurate at 14mg. I got a very firm +3 from this, for a good 8 hours plus! This trip was much more intense than either of my 2 Doc experiments.

If you were to buy an oral syringe you could still use your solution by subtracting the amount you've already taken (i'd say account for an additional 10-15% as per the margin of error noted in the other thread), measure the amount left, & do a little math

I think I should probably not complicate matters by changing halfway through. I really COULD make a mathematical error if I change my technique now. However, IF I get more of this I will consider using the ml method & post any comparative results in case it makes a difference. & if it doesnt make any difference that is obviously quantifiable, I shan't stop going on about it lol

 

[titstypedthis]

Hey guys, what is a good carrier I can use to lay 80 proof DOC solution onto for travel purposes? (gotta go thru the airport soon..). The solution is 15mL to 200mg DOC.... I'd like to dose around 3mg per dose. I tried using altoids but they get oversaturated by even .3mL and cannot hold the entire solution. Maybe sugar cubes? Something bigger, at any rate I think...

Biscuits

 

[Ralt]

1x1" watercolour blotters are a great idea too. I've started putting all my chemicals that take 10mg or less on blotters.