The Big & Dandy 25I-NBOMe Thread (2nd edition)

[RR16]

JonL: can you estimate aprox. Total amount you have ingested?
I have taken around 40mg in the past 3 - 4 months. Going to order more incase it gets banned soon but also going to stop using for while. Been expriencing muscle tension and pain lately. Also had that very annoying incident right after 3rd dose. Kept getting weird rushing sensation every 5-10mins which caused nausea and made it hard to focuse. lasted for about week. Dont know if Im imagining this but I also feel bit slow.

sorry for typos. sent from phone

 

[twelvesevndi]

so you only had those rushing dizzy sensations after that first weekend? and it only lasted for that weekend?

i have heard of people getting perhaps similar "brain zap" sensations from 4-aco-dmt and mushrooms. as far as i can tell the DMT molecule, at least, can cause the persistent brief rushing dizzy sensation associated with SSRI withdrawal that is frequently called a brain zap. perhaps something similar is happening here because 25i-nbome is a "super" seratonin agonist.

 

[eye_wide_open]

i'm curious why you disagree?
it seems to me you bought your 25i hcl on a whim because it was cheap and easily available? and then you accidentally dosed yourself while transferring to newspaper...
idk maybe you could tell us why you bought the powder this time instead of blotter?

i don't know a lot of vendors.
The one vendor I have been using had the HCL in stock and I had success with their MXE and DOC so thought I' give the 25i-NBOMe a shot since it seemed to have a lot of good reports.

Upon further inspection, I'm now finding the bad reports too lol. I also saw one or two bad report before I bought it, yes.

I dunno guys I don't mean any harm to anyone I like me some drugs I just got unlucky with this one. Maybe later. I know where to get some blotters of this now but to be honest I'm in no hurry to try it again right away. I'm pretty sure I felt the full spectrum of effects from that accidental dose.

It seems like there is a reason they woulda taken the stuff down off their sight. maybe a bad batch or "too hot". I'd email them and ask but I'm pretty sure I get the hint already lol.

 

[eye_wide_open]

I think blotters are safer.
If I have ten of them I can start by taking 1/4 of a blotter.
then I will know I will have more for sure later to trip on if I need them.
I can't easily split a drop of liquid drugs into 1/4 doses.
That's the only reason I would put things on paper is so I could sample them.
Unless I needed to hand them out, but I don't do that with my tests.
if your paper is unevenly dosed then your wasting your time also.

Do your best to evenly mix your solutions.. that's for sure.
Make damn sure each blotter gets as even doses as possible.

Otherwise nothing has anything to go by.


PS..
I would prepare one dose at a time or you are asking for trouble.
You get one drop of solution on you that is from a big batch and you're going for a ride.
One crumb of dust in your nose or eye or something and youz trippin.
be fuckin' careful man I tried to make myself some blotters to sample and got high just dropping that shit on paper using gloves and goggles and dust mask etc.

PSS if you try and pass this stuff off on your friends without educating them on what it is first you could hurt somebody or get your ass busted up. Don't be stoopid.
Be smart and safe.


People have already died from misrepresentation of 25i-NBOMe.

 

[JonL]

Probably roughly 25mg by now. Have also combined it with 4-aco-dmt, DO(?), LSD, MDMA, nitrous, ketamine, DMT, and changa (I mention changa as well as DMT as it may have been an MAOI based plant material). Actually the most recent experience involved all of those substances in one sitting. Again, no negative effects from any of this.

 

[RR16]

so you only had those rushing dizzy sensations after that first weekend? and it only lasted for that weekend?

i have heard of people getting perhaps similar "brain zap" sensations from 4-aco-dmt and mushrooms. as far as i can tell the DMT molecule, at least, can cause the persistent brief rushing dizzy sensation associated with SSRI withdrawal that is frequently called a brain zap. perhaps something similar is happening here because 25i-nbome is a "super" seratonin agonist.

Got it after first weekend of using. Dosed 3 times within that weekend. Brain zaps lasted for next week starting on monday. Thanks for informing me about that term. Back when I was worried about it no one told me that term. Never got it since the firdt time. Didnt use SSRI at the time

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

merged.

 

[slayerhatesusall]

The last time I used 1mg of this my left foot felt really cramped and rather painful, and the day after I took it I could feel my left foot pulsing which feels weird but didn't hurt, that pulsing slowly became less noticeable and after around 3 weeks subsided. Also got some chest pain on the left side which lasted around a week and then subsided, like a stabby prickly sensation, which didn't last the entire time but randomly came about every 2 hours or so for about 2-3 mins at a time before subsiding. Also got some of the slight brain zappish feeling which lasted a few days, but didn't feel them the whole time just maybe 20 mins worth of them a day. Wasn't taking anything else at the time except 10mg loratadine a day which I doubt would interfere with it, and nasonex. All the side effects are gone now. I'd guess the chest and foot problems were from vasoconstriction and the slight brain zappish effects were from serotonin being used up. I took it 2 times before that with no noticeable lingering side effects, the other 2 times it was also taken with loratadine and nothing else.

 

[RR16]

I think that the vasoconstriction is actually long term problem. I didnt have problems with it until recently. Last time I took 2mg my legs were hurting so bad it was hard to straighten them. Took 2 shots of vodka and it helped. Atleast if you use this in large amounts and often.
I dont know how other NBOMe dosages go along. Took 3.2mg of 25D by accident. Thouht they were 500ug but they were 800ug... dumb mistake. Didnt have any problems with the trip. Highest single dose of 25i has been 2mg which I have taken few times. Gives you pretty good ride. Once redosed twice with 1.5mg totaling 5mg within 12hours. Only problem was my bigtoes which turned blue.

Feels like no tolerance 5mg would still be safe. Not going to try though. Bit hesitant to take no tolerance 2.5mg. Trying to tone dwon to usage so tolerances wouldnt be problem.
Dont know why Im so foolhardy with drugs. I value my well being. Never do anything stupid or risk myself to injury. Still I internally destroy my body. ..

 

[mozokev]

^^ sourcing is not allowed. I would edit my post if I were you.

I would not take any tabs from a vendor if they don't tell you how much is in it. That's quite counter productive to harm reduction.

 

[RR16]

2 blotters? It costs more to ship them than whats they are worth or then the dealer ripped you pff. Sounds shady anyway.

This phone sucks. Cant fix the typos.. Cant even se what I write. sad

 

[Protocal]

I deleted it. And I agree but i already paid for them with out checking this out before hand and from what my tracking number is telling me they should be here by the end of the week so. I blame myself more than anything. Although I've just been assuming they're either 500µg, 800µg, as this seems to be the standard for most blotters and the website he's linked to has them for sale at 500 or 800. I was also reassured multiple times that he's "researched" these himself being the entrepreneur that he is and assured me that one tab contained more than enough for one person to research with out having to re dose. I'll probably end up just using 1 tab and waiting an hour or so and then use the other one if it doesn't seem to be taking effect. This chemical hasn't been out there for very long and from my research isn't very readily available (especially in blotter form) so I assume not many are attempting to fake this substance or pass some other substance off as 25i-nBOMe so i'm just hoping I won't receive some newspaper clippings or something in the mail this week. Once I do receive them I will be posting trip reports and other info to the best of my abilities although I have no idea what kind of dose I'll be researching with.

 

[Stretch]

Maybe it's a trace iodide impurity? I've got some 87%~ 2c-i that was a distinctly pink color before and lab analysis showed iodide impurity.

Ok. So I am still left with .5g of this purple 25i with some darker and lighter specs, even some little clear Harder pieces. I made a few blotters at 500ug to test it out. Letting one sit in my gums had no effect so I tried with 2 more. Mild stimulation and smiley but nothing more. Everyone else who tried claimed no effect, except one guy who took 8 tabs (not my recommendation) to decent effect.
I had received 300mg from another supplier shortly after of a nice white fine powder that seems to be very pure and active at appropriate dosage (although still having no success with buccal dosing of blotters , tho drops in nose or drops under tongue work well , maybe because alcohol in solution aids absorption?). The new batch has the bitter / numbing effect even with the littlest bit dabbed to tongue. The purple batch has mild bitterness but not the same numbing sensation and the bitter taste dissipates within couple seconds.
As someone else had mentioned it could very well be an iodide impurity which would make sense. I am just a bit hesitant on working with this material given the impurity. I am curious, would such an impurity effect the actual effects of the drug if the right dosage were found ? (ie: body load increase, visuals decrease, etc) ..
25i-NBOMe having such a small dose range, id imagine the % purity would effect dosage amount quite drastically. Say it were 90% pure, the dosage would need to be upped by 10%, no?
I'm just not sure how to go about dosing this purple powder. I am not going to flush it unless I find it leads to nasty side effects or something.
Best option I can think would be start small and work my way up, but with the tolerance issue of ~2 weeks it may take a while to figure. Also I don't really have time for such experiments as I only get the chance to dose once a month if that, if I want to. And when I do get the chance , I wanna TRIP, not maybe half trip.
Anyone have any input or ideas on how one should or could approach this situation?

 

[Protocal]

Jesus, I can understand not posting my vendors name or sourcing but not even letting me post how much I paid for them to get a general consensus from the community to verify that is just ridiculous. SHIPPING was only about 3.99 GBP so it wasn't that bad and he shipped them out first thing monday morning SO i assume if he were going to rip me off like some of the other RC vendors I've dealt with he would've just never sent anything. Seems like it'd be going quite out of your way to do so. I also paid over one of those 3rd party sources like paypal and alertpay and sagepay so I know i wasn't scammed that way and he gave me Royal Mail and a FedEx tracking number seemingly right after he got home from the post.

Ok. So I am still left with .5g of this purple 25i with some darker and lighter specs, even some little clear Harder pieces. I made a few blotters at 500ug to test it out. Letting one sit in my gums had no effect so I tried with 2 more. Mild stimulation and smiley but nothing more. Everyone else who tried claimed no effect, except one guy who took 8 tabs (not my recommendation) to decent effect.
I had received 300mg from another supplier shortly after of a nice white fine powder that seems to be very pure and active at appropriate dosage (although still having no success with buccal dosing of blotters , tho drops in nose or drops under tongue work well , maybe because alcohol in solution aids absorption?). The new batch has the bitter / numbing effect even with the littlest bit dabbed to tongue. The purple batch has mild bitterness but not the same numbing sensation and the bitter taste dissipates within couple seconds.
As someone else had mentioned it could very well be an iodide impurity which would make sense. I am just a bit hesitant on working with this material given the impurity. I am curious, would such an impurity effect the actual effects of the drug if the right dosage were found ? (ie: body load increase, visuals decrease, etc) ..
25i-NBOMe having such a small dose range, id imagine the % purity would effect dosage amount quite drastically. Say it were 90% pure, the dosage would need to be upped by 10%, no?
I'm just not sure how to go about dosing this purple powder. I am not going to flush it unless I find it leads to nasty side effects or something.
Best option I can think would be start small and work my way up, but with the tolerance issue of ~2 weeks it may take a while to figure. Also I don't really have time for such experiments as I only get the chance to dose once a month if that, if I want to. And when I do get the chance , I wanna TRIP, not maybe half trip.
Anyone have any input or ideas on how one should or could approach this situation?

Seeing as how youre already at 1.5mg with almost no effects its probably going to take alot more to do anything. If you don't have much of a tolerance and youre already dosing at more than 1mg something is very wrong with chemical you have (also the color is a dead give away, this stuff is white in it's pure form and soft and powdery). Most people with little to no tolerance would be losing their minds at that point so it leads me to suspect theres a substantial amount of impurity. If you can't give this to a friend or sell it to have someone else research the threshold youre looking for you'll just have to do it yourself the one time a month you can get around to it. My personal advice would be to just cut your losses and get some better chemical from a trusted vendor but if youre determined just dose a little higher each time to see where youre at. if 1.5mg isnt doing anything try 2-2.5mg next time. IF that doesnt work try 3-3.5mg next time and so on and so forth. Given the small amounts needed to produce full effects at 99% or above purity i would not advice anything more than doubling your dose each time. If youre not getting ANYTHING after going up to 10mg or higher than just trash what you have left because it will be of little to no use to yourself or anyone else out there that isn't completely daft.

 

[Stretch]

Wish I had access to gc/ms to know for sure :/

Thanks for quick reply . I was thinking along the same lines. As I said, even the pure white quality powder I have does not seem to work well if not atall on blotter, in gumline. I have not tried the purple batch any other way but that way. Next trial I will try ~750ug intrnassaly or maybe rectally. It could still be 98% pure for all I know, just having very minimal availability through buccal/sublingual absorption. Just haven't messed with it since.I got what I know to be much purer product. Are we allowed to post pics of substances ?

Is it just me or does 25c seem to be absorbed by the buccal/sublingual route much more effectively than 25i? Seems even the smallest amount even for short time in mouth absorbs very quickly and effectively whereas 25i seems almost impossible to absorb in mouth . Note the 25c is also nice white powder from same source as the white 25i .

IamMe90: did you use your pink batch of 87% 2ci? If so, did you experience anything abnormal other than dosage ?

 

[Protocal]

Thanks for quick reply . I was thinking along the same lines. As I said, even the pure white quality powder I have does not seem to work well if not atall on blotter, in gumline. I have not tried the purple batch any other way but that way. Next trial I will try ~750ug intrnassaly or maybe rectally. It could still be 98% pure for all I know, just having very minimal availability through buccal/sublingual absorption. Just haven't messed with it since.I got what I know to be much purer product. Are we allowed to post pics of substances ?

Alot of this has to do with whether or not youre complexing youre blotters when you try this. Most of the blotters sold online are complexed with HPBCD or some other form of cyclodextrin to aid in the process of subllingual and buccal absorption. If your substance is un-complexed it is better to use intranasally and left in powder form. An easy way I just read about to complex 25i would be to dissolve 250mg of the powder in 40ml of vodka or everclear, once dissolved 1ml of the liquid will contain 500mcg of sublingually/bucally active 25i. This is probably the main reason for youre low results and you might try going for other ROA's if you don't want to bother complexing youre chemical. If you do it is very easy to do so in ethyl alcohol like i explained about or just order some HPBCD over the net and do that. all you have to do once you have the HPBCD is get the blotter paper, and the sprinkle this substance on top of the paper and then measure out youre 25i doses and let it absorb into the powder and blotter paper all at once. Just make sure youre ratio for 25i to HPBCD is about 1:9 so, if you use 100mg of 25i you should be using about 900mg of HPBCD. Also 25c does seem to have a better absorption rate along with 25b (given 25b needs even less than 25i to produce full effects when taken sublingually) but its not really been confirmed.

 

[Stretch]

Alot of this has to do with whether or not youre complexing youre blotters when you try this. Most of the blotters sold online are complexed with HPBCD or some other form of cyclodextrin to aid in the process of subllingual and buccal absorption. If your substance is un-complexed it is better to use intranasally and left in powder form. An easy way I just read about to complex 25i would be to dissolve 250mg of the powder in 40ml of vodka or everclear, once dissolved 1ml of the liquid will contain 500mcg of sublingually/bucally active 25i. This is probably the main reason for youre low results and you might try going for other ROA's if you don't want to bother complexing youre chemical. If you do it is very easy to do so in ethyl alcohol like i explained about or just order some HPBCD over the net and do that. all you have to do once you have the HPBCD is get the blotter paper, and the sprinkle this substance on top of the paper and then measure out youre 25i doses and let it absorb into the powder and blotter paper all at once. Just make sure youre ratio for 25i to HPBCD is about 1:9 so, if you use 100mg of 25i you should be using about 900mg of HPBCD. Also 25c does seem to have a better absorption rate along with 25b (given 25b needs even less than 25i to produce full effects when taken sublingually) but its not really been confirmed.

Ya, I have not complexed anything I've been working with. The purplish batch I mixed in a vial with Isoprpyl alcohol for blotter dropping. .1ml=1mg . With the white batch of 25i and 25c, I mixed in a vial with propylene glycol, h20 and a little everclear, .1ml=500mcg
From what I had gathered the Hcl salt should not need complexing but I am beginning to question that.

The first time I tried a NBOMe was at an Emancipator/ Little People show (sold to me as acid). I took half the blotter and it was extremely bitter/numbing. I didn't know what nbomes even were at this point and its actually what got me interested as I had an amazing time. That was only half a hit..I'm assuming it had to have been complexed as I have not gotten near that effect with my own blots. I really have been trying to avoid the hassle of complexing but maybe some day. I'll stick with drops in the nose for now.
You recommend leaving it in powder form ? I don't see any accurate way of dosing powder, even with mg scale. Dosing raw powder of this chem seems too risky for my liking. I still have a good quantity of both in powder form still tho. When I can afford it and find it ill prob experiment with complexing. It's just hard to give out liquid doses to friends and the blotters aren't working well for anyone so I guess its my best option when.it comes to sharing w friends.
I got a page of blotter with the kick ass 25i-NBOMe artwork on it and I'd rather it not go to waste along with a bunch of 25i. ill save the remaining 7 sheets until I get something to complex with I suppose.

 

[cryptix420]

After recently dancing with Lucy again for the first time in over 2 years, 25i is nothing I have interest in anymore. The safety profile is just a bit frightening.

 

[IamMe90]

IamMe90: did you use your pink batch of 87% 2ci? If so, did you experience anything abnormal other than dosage ?

Nothing abnormal and the doses were pretty much the same too, 13% of ~25mg doses is I guess around 3mg so I just dosed them the same (the difference between 25 and 22 for me isn't that noticeable but I know that for other people it might be a bit more noticeable)

 

[Protocal]

Ya, I have not complexed anything I've been working with. The purplish batch I mixed in a vial with Isoprpyl alcohol for blotter dropping. .1ml=1mg . With the white batch of 25i and 25c, I mixed in a vial with propylene glycol, h20 and a little everclear, .1ml=500mcg
From what I had gathered the Hcl salt should not need complexing but I am beginning to question that.

The first time I tried a NBOMe was at an Emancipator/ Little People show (sold to me as acid). I took half the blotter and it was extremely bitter/numbing. I didn't know what nbomes even were at this point and its actually what got me interested as I had an amazing time. That was only half a hit..I'm assuming it had to have been complexed as I have not gotten near that effect with my own blots. I really have been trying to avoid the hassle of complexing but maybe some day. I'll stick with drops in the nose for now.
You recommend leaving it in powder form ? I don't see any accurate way of dosing powder, even with mg scale. Dosing raw powder of this chem seems too risky for my liking. I still have a good quantity of both in powder form still tho. When I can afford it and find it ill prob experiment with complexing. It's just hard to give out liquid doses to friends and the blotters aren't working well for anyone so I guess its my best option when.it comes to sharing w friends.
I got a page of blotter with the kick ass 25i-NBOMe artwork on it and I'd rather it not go to waste along with a bunch of 25i. ill save the remaining 7 sheets until I get something to complex with I suppose.

Yea complexing is the best way i can advise you to take atm. You might try the basic method again with more alcohol, ethyl alcohol that is as i've not heard good things about isopropyl and the like. the HPBCD is the best way to complex these and it's kind of hard to find out exactly what you need to do as most RC dealers are pretty private about their methods. Dosing in raw powder is a little more complicated but as long as youre not drastically overmeasuring it shouldnt present much of a problem. People have taken anywhere up to 10-20mg of this stuff at one time and lived to tell the tale so don't be too afraid. Just start small and re dose instead of doing one big dose. If you wanna insufflate 5mg, you should measure out 1mg and then split the line in half and do one line of what would roughly be equivalent to 500mcg and then repeat if you feel the need to do so, getting you to the same amount you initially wanted to do but at a much safer and more reasonable pace, giving you time to abort if you feel the need to do so. If I personally had these two batches I would continue with the insufflation until i worked out how much i needed of each batch to produce full effects. After gathering this info it'd be rather simple to look at the BA of the substance and determine how much would be needed for each ROA to produce full effects and determine whether or not making ucomplexed blotters is even an option until you can get the neccessary materials to complex them.

Also on a separate note, my vendor also started stocking 25b-nBOMe for the same price as 25i and 25c, and i've heard 25b-nBOMe is active at MUCH lower doses than the other nBOMe's available. I read somewhere something like only 100-250mcg is needed to get full effects. Anyone else heard anything like this? I'm very interested especially because of the money i'd be saving. I could go through 10 tabs easily in one weekend so only needing 100-250mcg at a time would def save me quite a bit.