The Big & Dandy 25I-NBOMe Thread (2nd edition)

[zn13bt]

Maybe you could be the first to try it and find out if it works or not? There's still a lot of unknowns with this material, you know.

I don't know anything about propylene glycol, but if you want to use it because it doesn't evaporate as fast as water or alcohol, then it would be pretty inconvenient for those of us who dose on blotter, because I guess it would take forever for the blotter to dry. (And just to be clear for the umpteenth time, I only lay single blotters with one dose at a time, I'm NOT laying sheets of it because I don't have the equipment and skills to do it accurately.)

Also, maybe you could get a little metal spatula or something for scraping the baggie out next time...I know you were wearing a mask and all, but still flicking the bag could cause a little 1mg-sized speck to flick somewhere where it shouldn't be. Just saying.

Incidentally, it's interesting to contrast all of the paranoia and repetitive idiocy and angst on this thread with the 25C thread, where it's all light and sunshine and good vibes and mostly intelligent discussion. I suppose this is more a function of the availability of these two materials on the market than any essential difference between the effects on their users.......

 

[eye_wide_open]

Flush it down the toilet? Jeez.

Or... do nothing with it? It's not like it's going to do anything to me sitting in a drawer in an airtight amber vial.

Sitting in your drawer in an amber airtight vial doing nothing for years? why bother buying it then because that's where it would have ended up for me. I don't like having lots of drugs laying around for long to get in trouble with. I just wanted to sample this chemical for myself.

I wouldn't recommend you guys flush this stuff down the toilet. Seem reckless. what if you fry dude down at the water treatment plant or something?
Scary to think about.

I'd treat this like hazardous waste and burn it first or something in a controlled environment.
since it has the ability to kill people.

I suppose this is more a function of the availability of these two materials on the market than any essential difference between the effects on their users.......

I'm curious as to what makes you say that?

Again guys not trying to get you riled up just trying to bring some important questions to mind.

Disposal and shit should be considered before even purchasing this chemical.

it's like learning to stop your motorcycle before doing 150mph with it.
Most of the people who don't learn how to ride first end up dead or injured or regretful.

 

[sn23]

Disposal and shit should be considered before even purchasing this chemical.

Yes, definitely an important issue! Thanks for bringing this up.

The obvious option is inactivation in small portions using the human animals metabolic machinery.

Flushing a very dilute solution of small amounts down the toilet is perhaps an alternative but it's sketchy, especially for larger amounts. It seems to be rather stable towards moisture and oxygen and I guess nothing is known about biodegradation in sewage water. Who knows what it does to the outside world in the long term.
Any other suggestions?

So, obviously, don't buy NBOMes in the grams if you don't have the expertise to handle them safely.

 

[labyrinto]

Is HPBCD necessary for 25i blotters?

I know this is an utterly remedial question but I'm finding a lot of conflicting information on the highly potent substance and I need some guidance...

I currently have 100mg of 25i-nBOME HCl (yes, HCl, not freebase). Do I need HPBCD in order to administer it buccally, on a blotter?

My plan is to dissolve 100mg 25i-nBOME HCl powder into 20ml of isopropyl alcohol, and then drop .1ml increments onto blotters using an insulin syringe at 0.1ml. 100mg of 25i, dissolved into 20ml of isopropyl alcohol, should make 500uG/0.1ml right? Is 20ml enough liquid, or should I also add some water and make it 500uG/0.2ml or something?

EDIT: Sorry, I should've placed this in the big and dandy thread!

 

[labyrinto]

Bump... I'm sure somebody knows the answer out there, I just need some reassurance that I've got this right, since it's such a potent chemical...

 

[JonL]

Just take it nasally. Half the fun is the insane 10 minute come up when it goes up yer schnozz.

 

[labyrinto]

I probably will take some nasally, I look forward to that experience, but a couple of my friends want some in blotter form. They understand it is a research chemical and I have explained the risks to them. They said they'd pay LSD prices if I get it to them in blotter form so I think it's worth my trouble.

 

[sn23]

It seems like the jury is still out on that one. I'm not aware of any side-by-side comparisons. You could pick up some HPBCD - or any other Cyclodextrin; my guess is that a bigger cavity (e.g. gamma-CD) could work (better) - and do some cautious trials yourself.

Small side comment: I posted because I'm all for free access to information, but BL's not here to help you selling drugs (no offense). I advise rephrasing your last sentence.

 

[twelvesevndi]

I suppose this is more a function of the availability of these two materials on the market than any essential difference between the effects on their users.......

I'm curious as to what makes you say that?

i cant speak for zn13bt but i'm assuming that he is saying that many ignorant youth have found 25i through large scale vendors who primarily sell stimulants and cannabinoids.
whilst 25c has, until recently, been sold by small-scale vendors who specialize in psychedelics.

i'm curious why you disagree?
it seems to me you bought your 25i hcl on a whim because it was cheap and easily available? and then you accidentally dosed yourself while transferring to newspaper...
idk maybe you could tell us why you bought the powder this time instead of blotter?

also, im very curious: why don't we see anyone asking about the freebase anymore?
it seems like hundreds of grams of it were sold in Jan - Mar. so what has happened to this material? did it already get consumed somehow? perhaps it is all sitting on shelves or is only being resold as blotter or vials.

 

[Utahrd]

lol, I'm all sketchy about taking liquid 'cid of any kind, never done it. Blotters SEEM safer to me, because of the upper limit on dosage. Really it's probably no safer than liquid, sugar cubes, etc.

 

[klondike_bar]

also, im very curious: why don't we see anyone asking about the freebase anymore?
it seems like hundreds of grams of it were sold in Jan - Mar. so what has happened to this material? did it already get consumed somehow? perhaps it is all sitting on shelves or is only being resold as blotter or vials.

i think as more information became available, it became aparent that the process of complexing freebase powders was being replaced by simply utilising a STABLE salt like HCL. hcl is easily made for little additional lab effort, and more desired, hence the change

 

[cryptix420]

I kinda got that feeling too.
What is your guys exit strategy?
running out into the city without your clothes at 3am?

What do you guys plan to do for disposing of that stuff properly if you don't have a good time with it?
That shit is dangerous.

although you were taking a stab at me, I still hold that that trip was one of the most profound of my life. Besides being that full of adrenaline no cop coulda caught me!! (yes, unfortunately i speak from experience )

 

[twelvesevndi]

i think as more information became available, it became aparent that the process of complexing freebase powders was being replaced by simply utilising a STABLE salt like HCL. hcl is easily made for little additional lab effort, and more desired, hence the change

i think you are right.
but i wonder if the freebase was converted to salt by vendors or if all the freebase was consumed and there was demand for more, and this time hcl was produced.


really, im just curious if there are people out there who have eaten this stuff many times without significant incident. we see so many negative reports on this stuff i sometimes wonder if using this one is like playing russian roulette, even with sensible doses.
and it seems like so much was sold not long ago and yet just as much if not more is being sold now.

 

[JonL]

I have taken this stuff nasally, in doses up to 2-3mg (spread out, usually 500ug at a time) pretty much every weekend for the last 2-3 months without ill effect (I actually prefer this to LSD). I personally think the negative reports are due to the easy availability of the substance to those with relatively little experience with psychedelics.The fact we know little about its long term effects only adds to the anxiety, but IMO its pretty clean and does not feel toxic (when used correctly!). I am however concerned with its easy availability in pure powder form. I'm surprised we haven't seen a confirmed death already.

 

[Pengus]

How is the preservation of 25i dissolved in water/vinegar? Days, weeks, months?

 

[Transform]

How do you find the tolerance and side effects JonL?

 

[JonL]

Tolerance wise, I need about a week to reset. The high doses are due to re-dosing to extend the trip, sometimes for 12+ hours at festivals etc. Usually by the 4th redose of 500ug, it isnt doing much more than keeping me going.

Side effects, similar to other psyches, I feel pretty tired the next day, that's about all. Myself and friends (10+ of us) have all been using the stuff like this now for a couple of months and nobody has reported any negative side effects.

 

[JonL]

Also, very little disturbance to mental clarity. I find LSD causes 'emotional ripples' which take a little while to settle. I day-trade for a living so a balanced and focused mind is extremely important to me.

 

[SpecialK_]

Interesting, I really like the NBOMEs and it's amazing we have such great chemicals at such a high purity. The only thing putting me off is the fact it is unresearched and LSD is perfectly fine to me. A bit like choosing the more expensive weed than the cheaper JWH compounds.

 

[twelvesevndi]

thanks very much JonL.

i've had a few good experiences with 25C, D, and I. In particular a very good experience with the Chlorine but i ended up taking 4 mg. It was a very good and tranquil mental space but i have been hesitant to revisit because of some of the nasty reports that surface here. of course this is a Harm Reduction forum so a bias in that direction is to be expected.

Still, I think you have given me the confidence to go for a higher dose at least once more.