The Big and Dandy Salvia Thread (Archived start - 1-20-08)

[Xorkoth]

It will almost surely be illegal soon in the US, because it's become popular and has hit the news a few times, especially that kid whose mom blamed salvia when he killed himself.

 

[delta_9]

Here in Illinois, there a bill pending which will make salvia schedule 1

 

[nealcassady]

It will almost surely be illegal soon in the US, because it's become popular and has hit the news a few times, especially that kid whose mom blamed salvia when he killed himself.

you could say that but im not so sure about it being any time soon though.. just because the news is creating all these scare tatics it was also stated that the DEA has no interest in it because its highly unlikly most people will keep going back to it, i see many states putting bans on sales but not a country wide illegalization real soon

i do feel like you should have to go more out of your way to find such a plant like salvia.. such as finding/growing it yourself or close friend hook-ups.. im not much into the fact you can walk into many gas stations/tobacco shops around my town and have it looked at like a marijuana substitute and no directions as how to use it wisely

its also kind of unnerving when to go to a party or whatever now having a good time and see some clueless person take a hit and start running in panic around the house .. doesn't make me feel too good inside for some reason

 

[Glasseyeball]

i agree with nealcassady especially the last part

ive seen people, not knowing anything about salvia, smoke it at a party and just lose their mind. surely not a fun, enlightening, or positive experience in any way.

ive seen a couple places online that salvia is the most potent psychoactive known to man (!) its hard to fathom you can walk down the street and buy it at a head shop while weed, mdma, etc. is still illegal

i plan on trying it with a close friend this weekend... im not worried about the setting or anything like that... it'll be a really safe environment and he's going to trip sit for me. ive just never honest-to-god tripped before. and even after reading every experience and bit of info online i feel like im not quite prepared. any advice on how to get mentally ready? should i wait until i feel like im ready? maybe trip by other means before i try salvia?

 

[Xorkoth]

Whew! First trip with salvia? I have tried just about everything, and I have to agree that salvia is the most out there you can get, the most removed from reality and the ego, out of everything, including DMT. It seems to produce a fear response in most people, a rather extreme one. The reason seems to be because it has a strong ability to almost immediately make you completely forget you had taken a drug and that you're a human and you're just thrust into this chaotic and frightening world, wondering how you got there, and realizing this is the way it's always been and always will be. Then once you start remembering, you fear you won't ever make it back.

That's not to say it's not a valuable experience to have. Just that it's a hell of a first trip!

 

[Fishface]

Although you can have some of those same thoughts with other compounds, lasting for considerably longer than the ten or so minutes a smoke-ushered visit to Salvialand does

Apart from occasional excursions with MDMA during the 80's and 90's, it was with Salvia that I returned to psychedelics, after first encountering acid and shrooms in the 70's.

Personally, I can't see how tripping on anything else can prepare you for it. So, as long as you're comfortable with the idea, just go for it.

 

[Glasseyeball]

thanks for your response

whew... you description definitely hits home though, and is making me strongly consider my plan lol

ill definitely report on my experience afterwards though, if i decide to go through with it

other than only taking one hit, what can i do to minimize the effects? just not hold it in as long? i definitely feel like i can have a rewarding and valuable experience with salvia... but maybe not the first couple times. i want to make sure i ease into it/get a little more accustomed to the feeling, especially since i've never tripped before

Personally, I can't see how tripping on anything else can prepare you for it. So, as long as you're comfortable with the idea, just go for it.

point taken

 

[FryHead]

thanks for your response
other than only taking one hit, what can i do to minimize the effects? just not hold it in as long?

It realy depends on the strength of the substance and how you smoke it. are you using leaf or extract? If extract, what strength? 5X? 10X? How are you going to smoke it? Pipe? Bong?

I find that most people do not get much effects the first time they smoke it. So I would worry too much about having a full blown trip your first time. Take a nice good hit and hold it. If you start to feel the effects go ahead and let it out. My geuss would be that you might get a light head buz your time trying it. But again, it depends on the strength and how you are smoking it.

Salvia usualy takes a few tries before you have a "breakthrough" experience. But once you do, it is pretty easy to go back.

Just my experiences. Your mileage may very.

 

[Glasseyeball]

It realy depends on the strength of the substance and how you smoke it. are you using leaf or extract? If extract, what strength? 5X? 10X? How are you going to smoke it? Pipe? Bong?

we're using extract, 20x... which is actually my main concern... from what i've read, that's much too strong for a first-time experience. but it just happens to be what we have. i would like to trip though, just not an incredibly overwhelming minduck/chaos type experience

and we were going to either use a water bong or just a pipe

im very open to suggestions

I find that most people do not get much effects the first time they smoke it. So I would worry too much about having a full blown trip your first time. Take a nice good hit and hold it. If you start to feel the effects go ahead and let it out.

seems reasonable to me

 

[psood0nym]

Salvia's effects are so radically removed from other psychedelic experiences that I wouldn't worry about trying to acclimate yourself to it through other drugs first; it simply won't matter. There is no tolerance build up with salvia. That means you can start with a little Nerds candy sized pinch, smoke it, and if it doesn't get you where you want--and it almost certainly won't--take more 5 minutes later. If you're ok with the smaller dose, there's a good chance you'll be fine with a tiny bit more (~+20-50% each time after reaching threshold) (you should pre-measure the doses too). The best preparation for a full dose salvia trip is a low dose salvia trip. As powerful as it can be, as long as you've got enough to work with, it is possible to ease into salvia gently. Most people simply don't, but maybe more should.

 

[Sidus]

Hi guys,

I'm new on this BB. Normally I don't join drugs fora, but I found this board a genuine source for my experiments. No bullshit and good info!
That said....

I'm Sidus and Ive done Weed, Hash, Morning Glory and Salvia.

With Salvia I started out using the plain leaves, no effect for me except a bit of the 'Salvia Gravity' and some mild perception changes. Two weeks ago I used the 5x extract in the 'BudBomb'.... WOW, this was a real mindblowing event: I was in another reality, a parallel world. I was going down a mineshaft and a sunflower invited me to "Salvia Land", I was drawn deeper inside and saw little people working in the shaft, I didn't understand an tried to get up, wich eventually worked and I got back out of the trip.
The day after, my ideas about the world were changed forever, espacially when I heard my friend who had simular experieces. I really believed there was a secret 'real' world and Salvia is the gatekeeper.

Now I'm curious to try more, but I'm afraid. My friend tried this a week ago again and he became a zipper, he was totally not here and was not in control of his body, he walked around thinking he was a zipper. I tried to stop him, to prevent him from hurting himself. He had a deep level 5 experience.

The idea of walking around on salvia, prevents me from doing it again. When I had my breaktrough experience is was lying in a chair and I couldn't imagine ever getting up. But now I saw it is possible.

Are there hints or tricks that you guys know, to prevent you to walk around under influence? Is it ok to lock al windows and the door in my room while tripping? I would like to have some insight in this 'walking' problem.

Thanks

 

[swilow]

Hello there- ah yes the walks. Thats why you need a sober sitter; my girlfriend just lies down with me. Salvia is the one drug I use where I always have someone sit in with me, because I have moved around and thrown things when tripping on it. Namely the smoking device, thrown crudely against my wall in disgust at the absolute horrror that I'd inhaled from it

I've blocked off my door when using certain more dissocitaive drugs where I wonder whther I may wander off, but if you have friends who know whats what, they can lead you to safety- thats why it is essential to have a straight and undertstanding person with you. However, I found that if I ensure that I keep the thought of lying down in my mind, it usually works. Salvia does allow clarity after a bit of experience; I've painfully tried to keep my ego intact during a rushing kaleidoscope- which was useless becausem I had none- but one can Observe what occurrss under salvia and learn to control it with practive.

That zip thing- thats the second report I've read in a week where someone thought they were a zip. I think it comes from the physical tearing sensation that accompanies the breakthrough. Weird; I have felt like piano keys several times and what a clangorous symphony I made.

 

[psood0nym]

^Getting up a walking around is the greatest danger salvia poses. I'm actually amazed that no one has leaped out a window or ran out into traffic after dosing yet. That said, I've navigated through a basement, up a flight of stairs and managed to avoid the chairs in a kitchen all while believing I was pursuing a blue spine swimming through a beige void. Some part of myself stayed behind to look after my body, but I would have preferred not putting so much faith in my autopilot. Just have a sitter.

If all goes as planned I will be using 1mg (to start) of pure salvinorin A dissolved in a DMSO/water solution intramuscularly sometime within the next couple of weeks. If anyone has seen reports of this please post a link here or PM me, but I haven't seen any. I suspect IM administration is the best way to use salvinorin A (probably even better in combination with ketamine--which I also plan to do--to decrease somatic dysphoria and provide a more 3rd person perspective on it.) Tinctures seem to fall short, and smoking is too fast to really reflect introspectively from within the experience. I'm hoping that IM administration will be powerful enough to allow access to salvia's higher visionary realms while moving slowly enough for me to actually see the door to that space open--and remember it.

 

[swilow]

^Please report back on the IM experiments, sounds very intriguing. I'm not sure I could do that myself. Take care.

 

[psood0nym]

Me either. I look at it as being a matter of my own twisted sense of personal ethics. I may end up regretting it.

 

[diche]

definatley interested

 

[Blazinballs]

Salvia is insane and as far as the zipper thing goes i think its normal man cause everytime i do it and dont quite break through i lay on my bed not knowing what i am and thinking im a book and someone is turing the pages riping me apart i now exactly the zipper feeling your talking about ive come to deal with it


Salvia is so wierd the day after i try it i always think i wont do it again then later that week i think hmmm its not so bad hehehe then i do it and im like holly fuck what did i just do lol im still working on a complete break through cant wai till i get there!!

 

[amor fati]

My experiences with salvia have been that after i smoke it i instantly forget that i've just done a drug and i feel like I'm the center of the universe and that my entire life has been just been entertainment for the entire universe and every moment of my life and every secret of my life have been exposed to everyone. The last time i smoked salvia however, i tried to keep my eyes closed and i got the zipper feeling plus i got a cev of only a zipper unzipping and when it reached the end i was physically forced to open my eyes.

I'm done with the drug forever.

 

[supercoolmancool]

When I do salvia I usually do 3 large doses 30 min apart. Do you think I could be getting olney's lesions doing that?

 

[automaticmojo]

have any of you had experiences with combining salvia and ssri's? I am currently taking 150 mgs. of fluvoxamine (SSRI) and am wondering if the ssri will block the effects of salvia or cause other bad side effects.