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The Big and Dandy DMT Thread - The Rebirth (Archived 3-19-08)

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DMT seems like a scary drug. I thought not much people liked it?? But it seems like everyone likes it! Haha. Any of you guys regret using the drug?
 
I've only done it once (lowish dose) and it was lovely.
5-MeO-DMT is the scary one IMO/IME.
 
all people i know who have tried dmt (6 people, 2 have never tried much if anything besides alcohol) have loved it.
the quickness of the onset is a bit surprising to people that aren't too experienced with drugs, but once you know it it's no problem. more problematic is the right smoking technique for getting enough dmt inside yourself. (typically with cautious people smoking it for the first time)
 
Pretty_Diamonds said:
DMT seems like a scary drug. I thought not much people liked it?? But it seems like everyone likes it! Haha. Any of you guys regret using the drug?
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Sadly many have this view of DMT.

DMT is pure light and love. It is very anti-anxiety provoking (in the right set of course) and has long-lasting mood effects (positivity is heightened).

It reminds me that Life is suffering but Life is also beautiful.

It is Inward Smiling.

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DMT is just the shit, period.... but I'll be damned if it doesnt create tollarance. I have no idea what strassman was atlking about, there is tollarance built up almost immediately. Also sometimes it gives, other times it doesnt. what a finicky little key mr dimethyl is.
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I have not experienced this at all.

In fact the opposit is true with me. I will often take an initial medium sized toke (15-20mg) and then sit back and enjoy the wave of relaxation and visuals. Then I will load 35mg or so into the pipe about 20 mins after the first dose and blast off and I trip harder than if I had not taken the initial low dose.

Very little tolerance builds in me. I have smoked DMT repeatedly every half hour for 2-3 hours (20-30mg each time) and eaach trip is very pleasant and very intense visually with meaningful content attached everytime.
 
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does anyone find it ironic that society encourages kids to sit around and watch tv and not think for hours on end & discourages the use of DMT & other such drugs which put your imagination to use, pathetic really.
 
I just Smoked some of that "changa" stuff which contians dmt. lovely stuff DMT is the best trip thing ever.
 
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does anyone find it ironic that society encourages kids to sit around and watch tv and not think for hours on end & discourages the use of DMT & other such drugs which put your imagination to use, pathetic really.
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I don't see it as ironic... more like sad. But yeah, it's a bit backwards, isn't it? Not that society discourages kids from smoking DMT, I can see why kids are discouraged from drugs. But that anyone is encouraged to watch TV and become a zombie of commercial programming is sad indeed. Although also not surprising.
 
^Lab or medical grade citric acid yes, lemon juice, technically yes, but you probably shouldn't. Acetic acid also works. With both a sting can be felt if you're using it IM, but it's manageable and ephemeral as long as you haven't dropped the ph too low. Allowing the DMT to sit in the acid for a few minutes is also a good way too kill off any organisms prior to filtering. I believe acetic acid even has some anti-viral properties.
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OK, so dissolve the DMT in a little bit of pure acetic acid, let it dissolve and react, and then recrystallize it by evap'ing the acetic acid? Is that all I do to make an injectable DMT acetate???

After the acetic acid is dissolved, how do I know my product is clean DMT acetate? Could/would there be acetic acid in the final product? Is there a way to wash or clean it up for IV injection?

If I'm missing anything, let me know.
 
FrostyMcFailure said:
does anyone find it ironic that society encourages kids to sit around and watch tv and not think for hours on end & discourages the use of DMT & other such drugs which put your imagination to use, pathetic really.
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I think Bill Hicks said (paraphrasing here) that watching television is like taking black spray paint to your third eye. I agree. But- do you need societies blessings? It (society) is obviously quite the snake pit these days, and I largely don't agrree with the mass opinion; I almost think if our society accepted the use of shamanic substances then I wouldn't use them because it would be so sterilised and controlled.
 
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OK, so dissolve the DMT in a little bit of pure acetic acid, let it dissolve and react, and then recrystallize it by evap'ing the acetic acid? Is that all I do to make an injectable DMT acetate???

After the acetic acid is dissolved, how do I know my product is clean DMT acetate? Could/would there be acetic acid in the final product? Is there a way to wash or clean it up for IV injection?

If I'm missing anything, let me know.
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I guess you could evaporate the acetic acid or citric acid solution. I've never bothered. It's easiest just to mix the DMT into, say, a 5% acetic acid solution and then double the volume of the solution with sterile water to lower the ph a bit (or add something mildly basic after the conversion) and inject that right then and there (for 50mg of DMT you'll end up with about 1cc of the diluted and injectable DMT acetate.) You'll know whether your solution is acidic enough to convert it or not because if it is your solution with turn the same color as the DMT, and if it isn't you'll see little oily looking globs of freebase DMT in it. Heating it might also help the conversion go faster at a higher ph. Don't worry, injecting a higher ph acetic or citric acid solution won't hurt you, it may sting a little if you use it IM though (ok, I admit, it does sting a little, but the sting is gone by the time you start tripping--5 minutes for IM)
 
I dont know how some of you can smoke dmt on such a regular basis. Ive only had a few sub breakthrough (although a couple bordered on breakthrough im sure) experiences over the last few months and I can say now I havent the urge to go back to it yet. Im quenched.
Ive seen some awesome sights and felt unbelievably good during and cleansed after but theres something about it that I respect too much i think.
Last time i launched i was a bit half hearted about it and had a bit of a bumpy ride, no terror just a bit edgey and intense with no immense euphoria like previous.
Maybe its my pothead mentality and the preparation is too much (serious) sometimes.. Anyone get this?
 
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all of the previous were great posts, a bulk of information this size def brings some light to the subject for those seeking it.

a tenth. 100mg baby. pure rocket ship!
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Thats just fucked up man but it made me laugh pretty hard. def let us know how this goes.

the good part about DMT is the after effects from larger doses aren't like LSD where ur still seeing shit morphing +18hours later, but the broken mind slowly being pieced together feeling in my opinion is often present afterwards, only for an hour tops though.
 
^Smoking 100-200mg is a truly mind wrenching experience.

SanGaz, I've actally questioned my own use of DMT, and have decided to put it aside for now, because I have not been paying respect to it or myself. I've been smoking it when on other drugs which is not something I favour and for at least two years I have used it several times weekly. For now, I'm out. I feel like DMT isn't going to do much more for me until I can drink the holy ayahuasca.
 
OK, let me get all of this straight, I will try it if a few more people verify it. First, I add like 50mg of DMT freebase to 0.5ml of 95% dH2O and 5% acetic acid, right? This will convert the freebase to acetate when it dissolves. I need pure lab grade acetic acid (Is it powder or liquid?) to make the solution, correct? Where could I get something like that locally? Some type of photography store or perhaps a science supply store?

Then, I should add 0.5ml of dH2O into the solution to basify enough for injection (Do I need to use a weak base instead? Is it really necessary? If so, what should I use? Baking soda? Maybe a solution of XX% baking soda and XX% dH2O? Someone please help me on this one). This will make a total of 1.0ml of injectable solution (IV) of 50mg DMT acetate, correct? And the color of the solution should be similar to the color of the DMT freebase, and it should be completely dissolved in solution. At this point, it is ready for a relatively safe IV/IM injection. Is all of this info correct?

Anyone who can help, please help. I need a few opinions and a few people to confirm it/answer my q's/change it/give me suggestions so it works (if I don't quite have it right). After I get all this info, I will try it, and post the results here. Then maybe I or someone else can make a tek that shows you how to convert DMT freebase into DMT acetate fairly easily for injection.
 
Where could I get something like that locally? Some type of photography store or perhaps a science supply store?
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Yeah, you can get it locally, at the grocery store. It's just distilled white vinegar. You can get it from a lab supply store online but, and maybe someone will disagree here, I think most white vinegar bought at a grocery store is probably about as reasonably sterile as it gets. Even at 5% acetic acid, vinegar is an effective antimicrobial agent and herbicide with some antiviral properties. Chemically it's just oxidized distilled alcohol diluted in distilled water, so we're talking about clean ingredients mixed together into a self-sanitizing product.

So squirt 0.5mL of it on the DMT freebase in a little clean vial, let it sit for a few minutes so it kills anything that might be in the freebase, then add some more sterile water to dilute until you have about 1mL worth of solution, heat up the vial on a hot plate or frying pan or whatever, swishing it around until the DMT is all dissolved (chop up any clumps of DMT before mixing), put it through your micron filter, and BAM! you're good to go. Sodium bicarbonate can be used to neutralize the acid if you've used a stronger concentration of acid, but it's probably unnecessary using the guidlines above and, at worst, might otherwise just sting a little when IMing [Edit](be careful adding baking soda to vinegar or you'll turn your vial into a DMT volcano.) If you do all these steps using pure synthed DMT it should be relatively safe. If you don't want to use something so uncouth as vinegar and can't get lab grade acetic or citric acid I've read that some needle exchange programs give heroin users citric acid packets to do the conversion. Also, 50mgs is a good dose for IM. I'd used 15-20mgs if you're considering IV. I've posted IM reports somewhere in this thread and Dondante has posted about using it IV and IM, but I haven't read many others. Yours would be a welcome addition. Good luck.
 
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i dont understand why someone would IM dmt over IV, could some one please explain their reasoning in depth?
 
^^Longer duration.

My most impressive experience with DMT was IV admin (15, 20, and 25 mg), using LSD as the launching pad. I wrote up a report that's 90% finished, but I never quite completed it. Hopefully I'll be able to fill in the blanks and post it here sometime this spring. ;)

One note to add to psoodonym's post: I added sodium bicarb, but I think it may have intensified the pain for IM admin, probably because the solution was too hypertonic (400mg/ml + NaHCO3). Apparently, it's not necessarily better to inject less. My friend had a bruise in his thigh after trying 50 mg IM. Slightly acidic solutions shouldn't burn too much.
 
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