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The Big and Dandy 4-AcO-DMT thread - New incarnation

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No I love tryptamines. I just dislike mushrooms. Feels like poison. I enjoyed 4-HO-DiPT, 4-HO-DET, 4-AcO-MiPT, and 4-HO-MiPT greatly (especially the the last two) and AMT is my favorite chem period. My problem is 4-AcO-DMT is so similar to 4-HO-DMT and 4-PO-DMT (and most likely contains some 4-HO-DMT anyway) that I may not enjoy it.

I love a good tryptamine. Hell I even liked 5-MeO-AMT. Hate 5-MeO-DMT and not a big fan of 5-MeO-MiPT (boring) but yeah other than 2C-E I GREATLY prefer tryptamines to phens.
 
MagickalKat777 said:
No I love tryptamines. I just dislike mushrooms. Feels like poison. I enjoyed 4-HO-DiPT, 4-HO-DET, 4-AcO-MiPT, and 4-HO-MiPT greatly (especially the the last two) and AMT is my favorite chem period.
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which mushooms felt like poison to you?
for me pan.cyan.hawaii strain was more transparent and clear than 4acodmt.
it's definatelty clearest mushroom strain I've tried.could be so because of the very small dosage and high psilocin to psilocybin ratio. panaeolus are also of another family of mushrooms than cubes or libertycaps so they might have very different mixture of other chemicals too (besides psilocin and psilocybin).

On acetoxy-
I have small batch that I received 6 moths ago and kept in room temp in ziplock bag. I had not sampled that batch before but it was from reputable source.
friends sampled it one week ago with 8 and 16mg doses. Person who took 8mg didn't get any effects. Person who ate 16mg got very moody but not tripping really. He was very sensitive to music and wanted to listed something soft. (in my opinion he preferred best tracks in house which was nice to see)
He was in very sensitive state. He said that the substance had quite a strong bodyload mostly feeling strange in stomach.

These persons tried 4acodmt for the first time so they might need bigger doses but I also wonder if the substance has degraded. Can it degrade in 6 months? Has someone sampled degraded 4acodmt? Are the effects different (more bodyload?) or just weaker?
 
MagickalKat777 said:
No I love tryptamines. I just dislike mushrooms. Feels like poison. I enjoyed 4-HO-DiPT, 4-HO-DET, 4-AcO-MiPT, and 4-HO-MiPT greatly (especially the the last two) and AMT is my favorite chem period. My problem is 4-AcO-DMT is so similar to 4-HO-DMT and 4-PO-DMT (and most likely contains some 4-HO-DMT anyway) that I may not enjoy it.

I love a good tryptamine. Hell I even liked 5-MeO-AMT. Hate 5-MeO-DMT and not a big fan of 5-MeO-MiPT (boring) but yeah other than 2C-E I GREATLY prefer tryptamines to phens.
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It is not that similar to mushrooms, and it certainly (for me) does not have the poison feeling. You get that because mushrooms do also contain loads of other chemicals. This however is a pure single substance.
 
xylophonexa said:
On acetoxy-
I have small batch that I received 6 moths ago and kept in room temp in ziplock bag. I had not sampled that batch before but it was from reputable source.
friends sampled it one week ago with 8 and 16mg doses. Person who took 8mg didn't get any effects. Person who ate 16mg got very moody but not tripping really. He was very sensitive to music and wanted to listed something soft. (in my opinion he preferred best tracks in house which was nice to see)
He was in very sensitive state. He said that the substance had quite a strong bodyload mostly feeling strange in stomach.

These persons tried 4acodmt for the first time so they might need bigger doses but I also wonder if the substance has degraded. Can it degrade in 6 months? Has someone sampled degraded 4acodmt? Are the effects different (more bodyload?) or just weaker?
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I hope not. Thus far I have noted people doing just 15mg and with very good effects.

I hope (no offence) that you just have a poor batch, rather than the other opition...which is that everyone needs to use it in a few months of buying....
 
Does anyone know how quickly these kind of things can decompose. For example if one were to sit on it for most of the day by mistake? It would be body temperature of higher.
 
I dont think it will degrade that fast. I mean, alot of this stuff is made in china and shipped for thousands of miles - and stored in who knows what conditions, before it reaches the end consumer.
But - as a general rule - the cooler, dryer, and more sealed from oxygen it is stored, with light exposure kept to a minimum, the longer it will last. Im thinking years. Of course there are exceptions, and really Im no expert on this, so I could be wrong, but I dont think walking around with it in your pocket for a day or two would ruin it.

Also, I would not feel much from 8 or 16mg 4-aco-dmt either, even 30mg is underwhelming for me. Some people just need higher doses.
 
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Also, I would not feel much from 8 or 16mg 4-aco-dmt either, even 30mg is underwhelming for me. Some people just need higher doses.
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just want to add a word of caution as i dosed 10-15mg and flipped my lid manic. =) everyone reacts differently to different dosages. always start small. have fun, be safe!
 
^ Yes thank you. I never meant to imply people should jump into big doses, always work your way up. :)
 
It's unlikely that 4-AcO would degrade that fast. Look for it getting "muddy," which indicates it's absorbed moisture, or turning blue, which indicates it's turning into psilocin (a substantially more fragile molecule) and oxidizing, I believe. The fumerate is pretty stable and I'm sure the HCl is also pretty stable. My 4-ho-DMT has turned a light gray (w/o noticeable potency loss) after 3 years in the freezer and my 4-AcO has remained light tan after an even longer time.
 
Shouldn't 4-aco-dmt be identical to shrooms? What in the world makes it different if it metabolizes into psilocin the same way psilocybin metabolizes into psilocin?

Unlike comparing 2ce to LSD, this is comparing psilocin to psilocin. Meaning that tripping on 4-aco-dmt and tripping on Shrooms are interchangeable. Am I wrong? Is there really a difference? That difference must be psychosomatic, no?
 
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It's unlikely that 4-AcO would degrade that fast. Look for it getting "muddy," which indicates it's absorbed moisture, or turning blue, which indicates it's turning into psilocin (a substantially more fragile molecule) and oxidizing, I believe. The fumerate is pretty stable and I'm sure the HCl is also pretty stable. My 4-ho-DMT has turned a light gray (w/o noticeable potency loss) after 3 years in the freezer and my 4-AcO has remained light tan after an even longer time.
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You have pure psilocin? Lucky bastard.

Acetates are generally pretty stable... I mean look at the first batch of 4-AcO-MiPT that came out. Even though it was hygroscopic, it still was stable for a LONG time...

I am going to obtain some of this. I'll give it a try. Worst case scenario I don't like it and give away the rest of my 100mg. Best case scenario I love it and put myself in the worst case financial situation and buy the farm ;)

I'm more excited about 4-HO-MET though honestly.
 
Unlike comparing 2ce to LSD, this is comparing psilocin to psilocin. Meaning that tripping on 4-aco-dmt and tripping on Shrooms are interchangeable. Am I wrong? Is there really a difference? That difference must be psychosomatic, no?
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Yes, you're wrong. The differences are not psychosomatic. It is very noticeably different than psilocin, has different effects, and a longer duration of action. There is a HUGE difference, my friend.

People are theorizing why the AcO's are so different. Some people think the brain hydroxylizes the tryptamines at different rates (or they cross the blood brain barrier at different rates) in different people, leading to different effects. Some believe that it does not even turn into psilocin. Some hypothesize that about 90% turns into psilocin and the other 10%, no one knows, that's probably what accounts for the huge difference in effects.

4-AcO-DMT is unique and completely different than psilocin.
I am going to obtain some of this. I'll give it a try. Worst case scenario I don't like it and give away the rest of my 100mg. Best case scenario I love it and put myself in the worst case financial situation and buy the farm
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I can tell you, if you enjoy psilocin.... You will love this stuff...i find that it can actually be better than psilocin at some times, if not JUST as good. It's different - more like long-acting N,n-DMT than psilocin. It's one of the only research chems that I have found "feels like it's supposed to be in my brain" (a la DMT/LSD) rather than feeling like a research chem.

If I were you and I had an opportunity to get more, I would get a lot more than 100mg - don't think you'll regret it. If you do, people LOVE this stuff -- 25mg fumarate can be compared to 1/8th of mushrooms in most people -- so you won't have a problem getting someone to take it off your hands, even if they are generally not into RCs (this DOESN'T feel like an RC)
 
Not completely but it is noticeably different. Especially side effects wise. Zero nausea and anxiety with 4-Aco while on shrooms I get tons of both on the come up. There are major differences between the two.
 
MagickalKat777 said:
No I love tryptamines. I just dislike mushrooms. Feels like poison. I enjoyed 4-HO-DiPT, 4-HO-DET, 4-AcO-MiPT, and 4-HO-MiPT greatly (especially the the last two) and AMT is my favorite chem period.
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Ive tried all the tryptamines you named there and 4 aco dmt has been my favorite by a large margin.

Abd im not a fan of mushrooms either.

4 aco dmt is one of the best psychedelics to grace us with its presence.
 
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