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The Big and Dandy 4-AcO-DMT thread - New incarnation

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Sounds like regular old DMT to me - he said he smoked it and held in the hits, and that combined with the sudden intensity and brief duration all adds up to n,n-DMT in my book. It makes a lot more sense that someone unfamiliar with tryptamines could be given DMT and be confused about "what sort of DMT" they have; if they got 4-aco-dmt, they'd be a lot less likely to know it simply as 'some sort of DMT' - they'd probably either know it was 4-aco-dmt or know it by another name, like psilacetin or psilocin acetate.
 
ive gotta try it again. the only thing i dislike is the smell... worst smelling thing ive ever smelt. disgusting
 
solistus said:
Sounds like regular old DMT to me - he said he smoked it and held in the hits, and that combined with the sudden intensity and brief duration all adds up to n,n-DMT in my book. It makes a lot more sense that someone unfamiliar with tryptamines could be given DMT and be confused about "what sort of DMT" they have; if they got 4-aco-dmt, they'd be a lot less likely to know it simply as 'some sort of DMT' - they'd probably either know it was 4-aco-dmt or know it by another name, like psilacetin or psilocin acetate.
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Actually you're right. Damn I'm more tired than I thought. I didn't notice the fact he said it lasted 10 minutes for one - that was a dead giveaway. Glad you posted otherwise I'd have never noticed.

Yes that definitely sounds like DMT.
 
ColtDan said:
ive gotta try it again. the only thing i dislike is the smell... worst smelling thing ive ever smelt. disgusting
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I actually LOVE the smell and taste now, apart from when I accidentally burn it :(

Back onto the thread - I did 2.5 big dried Cubensis the other night, and whilst I don't remember any of my Liberty Cap experiences being like my experience on 14mg 4-AcO-DMT - this one reminded me of it in almost every single way.

The trip was stronger (I'm guessing, just speculating somewhere in the region of 18-20mg 4-AcO), but this makes me wonder about the different mushrooms.

My cubensis trip (I'd never done them before) was sedating in cycles, drunken-legs, and full of energy, wide eyed, and I felt the bubble in my stomach when they were digesting EXACTLY the same as when I did the 4-AcO-DMT...

So I think that when I get 4-AcO-DMT in about 2 weeks time - I will try mixing it with a shot of lemon juice, then taking it to see if subjectively my trip is like how I remember my Liberty Cap trips to be.

Wonderful substance this one is, I think 14mg was a nice starter dose, but definitely like it to be stronger recreationally.

14mg was very useful therapeutically - showed me different perspectives of my emotional state, and definitely a keeper in my collection, to have sitting there at all times.
 
Think its time for a large dose of 4-aco-dmt and 2c-e. I really like the space 4-aco brings especially at higher levels(coming from someone who never really liked mushrooms much). Its quite unique and adds something special to the 2c-e space and time. I also absolutely must combine this with mescaline. It seems like they would love each other.
 
High dose 4-aco-dmt is FUN. 32mg at t+0h, 26mg at t+3h, currently at t+4h. Tripped yesterday as well and I've had a couple more low dose adventures in the past week or two - surprisingly little tolerance build-up. Very euphoric, very colorful visuals, no ego disruption (yet).
 
^ Congrats on the modship, I knew it would happen!

And yes, high dose 4-aco feels like it might have been meant to be. The wear on my body was minimal besides being sleepy the next day and somehow felt it a bit during the duration.

When I did nitrous I actually thought that a "dmt repair man" came in the room and took out a wrench and heightened the ceiling a good six feet because the fan was too close to my eyes. It was weird which senses made me think this, but this part was blasting with religious visuals, it was hilarious.
 
4-AcO-DMT is just a damned good drug. If it had been discovered earlier I'm sure it would be a staple today.
 
arohydro said:
4-AcO-DMT is just a damned good drug. If it had been discovered earlier I'm sure it would be a staple today.
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I for one am glad it has only come to light now. Its nice having something different, something that is not ruined by overselling on the streets.
 
nomis said:
I for one am glad it has only come to light now. Its nice having something different, something that is not ruined by overselling on the streets.
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Agreed. If it had been around in the Haight-Ashbury era it may have gone the way of DOM and 2C-B. Psychedelics very rarely get scheduled nowadays, so hopefully 4-aco will stay in its current legal gray area for some time to come.
 
4-AcO-DMT isn't scheduled?? Wow that's lucky...

I mean chances of getting caught over here are slim, considering we don't have cops who indiscriminately stop-and-search, like over in the States, BUT we have blanket laws - analogue laws... SO any tryptamine, or phenethylamine is automatically banned :(

I'm surprised about the USA, I'm surprised they don't have the same!!

Good though - 4-AcO is such a great molecule, it should be enjoyed by as many people as possible, being introduced to them by responsible people, so it doesn't go down the same road as Psilocybin.

SO MUCH <3 for this one...only a few weeks to get it.
 
I can't imagine *any* tryptamine or phenethylamine is banned. Those are two of the most common classes of neurotransmitter and a huge variety of OTC and prescription drugs fall into one camp or the other. Melatonin, for example, is N-acetyl-5-methoxy-tryptamine.

The US has what's called the Analog Act, and 4-aco probably falls under it, but it's not a very well-written law so it's almost never enforced on users, only dealers, and even then it's not always worth the time and effort to make the charges stick.

Since 4-aco metabolizes into psilocin, using it is still unambiguously illegal. I've read posts on other forums claiming that 4-aco will oxidize in small amounts into psilocin on its own in normal conditions, in which case they would have a much easier time pressing charges.

Drug law is ridiculous in this country. It's almost impressive in a bizarro world kind of way for a law to simultaneously be so draconian and so vague as the Analog Act section of the Controlled Substances Act. Luckily for recreational users, possession charges that aren't linked to intent to sell or distribute are almost always handled by state law, and many states don't have anything like the Analog Act. Federal laws are much tougher, but you pretty much have to be a high profile dealer or get really unlucky to make yourself into a federal case. That's my understanding, anyway; I'm not a lawyer and (knock on wood) I've never had a possession charge of any kind myself, so I may be misinterpreting things.
 
Has anyone tried 4-aco-dmt in combination with mdma? I'm considering trying this.
 
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solistus said:
I can't imagine *any* tryptamine or phenethylamine is banned. Those are two of the most common classes of neurotransmitter and a huge variety of OTC and prescription drugs fall into one camp or the other. Melatonin, for example, is N-acetyl-5-methoxy-tryptamine.

The US has what's called the Analog Act, and 4-aco probably falls under it, but it's not a very well-written law so it's almost never enforced on users, only dealers, and even then it's not always worth the time and effort to make the charges stick.

Since 4-aco metabolizes into psilocin, using it is still unambiguously illegal. I've read posts on other forums claiming that 4-aco will oxidize in small amounts into psilocin on its own in normal conditions, in which case they would have a much easier time pressing charges.

Drug law is ridiculous in this country. It's almost impressive in a bizarro world kind of way for a law to simultaneously be so draconian and so vague as the Analog Act section of the Controlled Substances Act. Luckily for recreational users, possession charges that aren't linked to intent to sell or distribute are almost always handled by state law, and many states don't have anything like the Analog Act. Federal laws are much tougher, but you pretty much have to be a high profile dealer or get really unlucky to make yourself into a federal case. That's my understanding, anyway; I'm not a lawyer and (knock on wood) I've never had a possession charge of any kind myself, so I may be misinterpreting things.
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Maybe it's just my rebellious teenage mentality, but I feel like those are all technicalities that never play any roll in possession charges involving RCs. I don't know about other people local LEs, but if you get caught with a small gel capsule of white microcrystals I'm pretty damn sure you'd go to jail. Maybe it wouldn't get very far because of it's "official" legal status but telling a street cop "It's ok it's legal for research purposes, just not for human consumption" and shit will probably just get you tased in the balls hahahaha.
 
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