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Originally Posted by DexterMeth
Ended up eating 25-30mg at ~9:30PST ,,,,still going good...cooming down but regardless...the best psychedelic experience i've had in a LONG FUCKNG TIME.....i'd rather do this than L...well...well well ......hmm.... This is a great one aint it
I have some questions.
1. HCl? Fumarate? Freebase?
2. How was your trip? Can you describe the degree of perceptive and cognitive effect?
A1) I believe it was the Fumarate. I'll edit this post once I confirm it (well I'll edit it if I'm wrong, but I believe it was the fumarate) from dreampt up source.
It was very tan in color and even had little sparkles in it like formica in sand. It was a truely beautiful looking chemical.
A2) I can't really describe my trip..words can't do any justice to it, blah blah etc., but if I were to try: it was very "shroomahuasca", minus the chaos from mushrooms or the sometimes (depending on dosage of course, then again this could happen with any psychedelic, but I'm thinking specifically oral DMT here, or ayahuasca...wtfever...anyways) overbearing nature that DMT can present one with. It definately had a very "DMT'esque" nature to it, where I could see the very similar DMT entities I see, (durh?....when on DMT)...little timeless hyperintelligent beings that for one reason or another, to me at least, always look like midgets kind of,...with a human-like quality to them, but obviously a lot more intelligent...strait from the devine...always smiling at me like they aren't just part of but perpetually tapped into "the main source". My body felt very very good...euphorically good. ..But not like MDMA....where one feels good, but in an overbearing way (imo), any the feeling isn't good the whole time, as it comes and goes in waves, and even during the best parts I always would think, "(MDMA) This feels really good, but I can tell my body and sub/unconscious mind is trying to also tell me that it's not meant to feel this way that many times in life...very few if at all...once being ideal"<<(like how Sasha Shulgin talked/talks about MDMA use. ...This radically differs from how the physical euphoria of 4-aco-dmt felt, because I felt physically euphoric in a devine, "smart" way. The "good"/good feeling(s) of MDMA seem somewhat EXTREMELY forced upon me, whereas with 4-aco-dmt (I like calling it "4aces"), I felt and WAS in control the whole time. I could drift off into the endless catacombs of my mind, to entirely different worlds, like if I was on DMT or dreaming even, then I could "snap out of it", turn on some music, concentrate on everyday tasks, etc...and then lay down (or stand up, or dance, or sit and meditate
) and just rub my body, feeling how great it felt to be alive...not all "lovey dovey" like with MDMA...more like when you're comming down on mushrooms or LSD and you're skin just feels so smooth, and your muscles like jelly...all the tension ceases to be there anymore/etc. Oh, and FYI, I was in opiate withdraw during the trip...The 4aces covered up ANY feeling of withdrawls, other than my runny/clogged muscuses, which actually was more cleared up and less runny when the 4aces kicked in. If I wasn't in withdrawls, I would of had ZERO physical negative side effects what-so-ever...and actually in recollection of my very first 4aces trip ~1.5years ago, I remember it being such a great experience "for an RC", because of the lack of negative side effects...including ZERO nausia....and during this last trip, I even ate a big dinner just a few hours before! Like a big ole' piece of regular over roasted chicken (plain, with some salt on top), rice, green beans, and homemade "eat it as a side dish" mango salsa...(chopped veggies and fruit and other ingredients...not a slussy slurree)...but I digress from that very tasty and healthy meal...
...zero nausia was present... The 4aces kicked in quite quickly too...like ~the 15-20min mark. I definately agree with some of the posts I've read in the "Big and Dand 4-aco-dmt archive thread", how some people were saying "I can't believe I was getting that high that quickly without having any nausia...at all." ...This was definately the case for me. My pupils were bigger than they get on a very decent dose of pure LSD or like an eigth of mushrooms. It was the biggest I can recall ever seeing my pupils dialte...honestly. I remember all the hype about DOC, even DOI...and farther back with like 2-cb and jesus 2-ci (hey, still a nice one but not a GREAT one)....I'm not hyping up this chemical at all, because I can't...I can only tell the 100% God's honest truth...4-aco-dmt is down right fabulous (aka FUCKING FANTASTIC!) ...After passing the climax of the trip (spent most of the time meditating, drifting off into other worlds/lands, and then writting [yes it was very trippy to write, and even hard at times...lmfao, but I had to get some lyrics and important ideas down "in stone"]), I was watching Adult Swim on cartoon network and family guy happened to be on...all I can say is that I hadn't laughed that hard in SOOOO fucking long. I was in a hysterical fit...for a second I thought I lost my sanity, but in a "ha ha, this is funny and I can't believe I'm laughing that I fried my brain and am retarded for good" kind of laugh...lol...I'm laughing about that thought right now. It was all gravy baby! I have a lot of faith in this chemical, and I love it so much that I definately will be putting it on my list of "shit to only do X amount of times in my life"...like MDMA (I've only done it like 6-8 times MAX...i don't even remember..MDMA just being the example I conjured up because it's one of those rare ones where people without a doubt seem to end up losing the magic...which I have not... I do not plan on losing the magic of "the 4 aces", so I'm only going to do it like I do MDMA....I hold the same with mescaline, and even LSD...although I feel that I can do (as long as it's actual LSD and pure...minus the water or whatever to lay it on sheets/etc) LSD a lot more often and still retain all the magic it has...as a matter of fact, one of the reasons I love LSD so much is because "the magic" seems to get better and better each time I do it...quite the opposite from MDMA (imo of course). I'd even say the same thing for mushrooms, but being a born off-spring from a very VERY scientifically oriented mind/mind-set (my father's), I share his similar mind-set, I tend to like the super-human analytical powers of intellect that LSD provides me with...versus with mushrooms, they make me feel more like a tribalistic creature...going back to my caveman roots...sometimes very alien in nature though. LSD actually makes me feel more human than anything come to think of it....and I got that same feeling with 4-aco-dmt...although it was a little more serious in nature at times...I think it was the DMT aspect of it that made it very serious at times...not that LSD isn't/can't be super fucking serious...I dunno, LSD just puts me in such a good mood, I feel like I'm in a Van Morrison song, "slippin and sliddin on a rainbow wall..with my brown eyed girl".....4-aco-dmt makes me feel similar actually...but different...I can't quite put my finger on it...IMO, I don't think I'll ever be able to really put my finger on it, as that's how I think it's supposed to be...more mysterious. But hey, if you want to venture out and try it a bagillion times and fully realize and try to attempt to label every aspect of it, that's fine by me, go ahead...I won't stop you...just don't blame me if you turn into "Static TV man" ...once was a human being, but now is just 100% static TV material...although still the shape of a human, and can think like one (somewhat..much more visceral now...although in an electronic way...if visceral and electronic somehow made a baby...lmfao)...If anyone's ever seen that Venture Brother's episode where the butterfly villan is in jail and tries to escape...actually finally does at the end...but while making the plans in jail, there's all those strange ass fucking characters, and one of them is this random ass dude that's wearing a prison outfit, but is static from a TV...like the shape of the Silver Surfter or something, but with no face, just the shape of a human body...can't even talk...just makes a humming/buzz sound and is made out of all static....omfg I can't stress how hilarious that was while watching it on 4-aco-dmt (comming down so I was more in the "human realm"...versus the "all realm".. ... . ok, that's enough rambling by me. I hope I provided some insight(s) into what a great gem (I just had to say gem, since other people said it and I wanna make something trendy, and this is it, so there you go...lol) this chem is....If any "RC" deserves to have a "Big and Dandy" thread about it, 4-aco-dmt should be/is it.... "THIS IS IT" folks...."THIS IS IT".... 8)
![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
Xorkoth, that is so true! yet another reason to not worry about having a "bad trip".
I'm definately in this same thought camp as you guys, but I'd definately also think twice about what you said there feelgoodhit...One too many bad trips can't be good for one's "sanity"/sanity. Seriously... A cage rattling, ego thrashing experience is good every now and then, despite how scary it can get, but for it to happen all the time? HAVE you seen the movie "Altered States"? That shit can't be healthy for you...HAVE you ever been to San Fransisco and seen all the people that are permafried from acid and sleep in golden gate park on the ground, along with their used needles and empty balloons of what was filled earlier in the day with grams of heroin (crack too)?
