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The Big and Dandy 4-AcO-DMT thread - New incarnation

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I'm planning a trip tomorrow night on 4-aco-dmt. I will take 20 mg of fumarate alone in my room with family at home (sleeping). I will begin to meditate as soon as effects are felt, and will listen to some soft ambient music. It's been one month since my last trip, which was with the same substance and dose. Unfortunately, this last trip left me feeling rather empty since I spent a lot of the trip wanting it to end (though not excactly feeling any substantial fear). This last trip was spent with my friends and not in a meditative state of mind. Two tripping friends and one sober friend. Video games, TV, daylight.

You don't know my psyche, but do you think this new setting will lend itself better to a positive experience with 4-aco-dmt? My wish is to have an experience in which I am able to calmly face whatever the psychedelic unfolds within my mind.
 
Depends. I've had a similar trip before, when staying at my parents I took about 20mg when they were sleeping. It was a good trip but I spend most of it laying in bed and wandering around my room.

Sometimes it sucks to be stuck knowing your parents are in the other room and you don't want to wake them up. Sometimes 4-aco-DMT makes me want to move around. Then again, you know your house layout and parents' sleeping patterns better than I do.
 
I would not suggest that. I think its a recipe for a pensive, gloomy, brooding trip.

But, then again, you're right that I do not know your personality. Personally when I trip I like to have the freedom to feel like I can dance around naked, sing out loud, take more drugs, rip massive bong clouds, etc etc
 
A simple curiosity... your 4-aco-dmt... come form "?? "vendor?? The 4-aco-dmt of "??" is a FAKE, it is mixed with other chemical at 50%. I sent a sample of 4-aco-dmt of "??" in the past to analize it. Be careful.

I had a bad trip with this "??" psilacetin with only 6 mg!!

[EDIT] Please do not mention or use inference to identify sources please
 
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The setting described above doesn't sound conducive to a good trip on any substance to me, but that's just me. So long as you specifically mean 4-aco, I enjoyed it when I was outside with what became a colorful alien landscape to explore. When I got back indoors, I just gave up tripping and came down because without the open space, beauty, and freedom to explore I saw no point.
 
I guess you're pretty much right. The main problem is the anxiety that comes from knowing I can't let go of myself. I can say I've had one trip like this (not on 4-aco-dmt) and it was a nightmare for the most part.

The thing is I have almost no other opportunity to trip by myself. Either it's this, or at a friends house along with a couple of friends who want to do stuff all the time. And I've had enough of those chaotic, stressful trips for a while. Hmm...
 
I will say that setting I've insufflated low doses of DPT and DMT and had incredibly relaxing trips (meditating mostly) in the bedroom above where my parents sleep (they're on the first floor). I didn't feel nervous at all, but then again it was a rather lowish dose and I could have interacted with them if I had to.

I generally prefer to not use drugs in my parent's home anymore, because they do not approve of it and I respect them immensely, plus I only visit once a month or so, so its not a big deal to abstain (since I only trip once a month)..
 
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Gaian Planes said:
I will say that setting I've insufflated low doses of DPT and DMT and had incredibly relaxing trips (meditating mostly) in the bedroom above where my parents sleep (they're on the first floor). I didn't feel nervous at all, but then again it was a rather lowish dose and I could have interacted with them if I had to.

I generally prefer to not use drugs in my parent's home anymore, because they do not approve of it and I respect them immensely.

All right. This will hopefully be a dose which makes me behave very strangely so I think I'll do this in the weekend instead.

Thanks for support everyone.
 
^^
I don't get it nearly as much as with LSD or 2C-I or most other psychedelic drugs, in fact. But if it's a problem for you, remember to stay hydrated, drink slowly and frequently, and twist your torso around to work out any gassy bubbles.

or you could eat a gas-x before you trip ;)
 
4-aco-dmt makes my right leg feel like a big, blunt, numb log and does nothing to my left leg (or anything else in particular, somatically). This is really strange. It might have something to do with my sitting position or me putting lots of weight on the right leg when standing. That said, I don't notice it at all when sober. I wonder if this is psychosomatic or something caused by 4-aco-dmt specifically.
 
I bet it's just the psilocetin messin' with you. this reminds me of one time when I took mushrooms in silent darkness laying on the floor, and I was SHOCKED repeatedly by heavy bursts of positive energy on a sporadic basis from all sides of my body.

they felt very real, physical, tangible... but I'm pretty sure it was just the mushrooms. (who knows, though?)
 
Serious question (tripping today)

Sup guys, i drank poppy seed tea a few hours ago and earlier yesterday, nodding "here and there", but nothing too deep or serious...definately a lot of that general opiate euphoria. Anyways, I was planning on eating 25mg of 4-aco-dmt today (as soon as I wake up), and wanted your guys opinion(s) on some things:

*Should I wait for the opiates to be completely out of my system? For the record, I used to be a pretty bad heroin addict (and any opiate of course) and resently got back into heroin for a little bit (nothing serious), as I was wanting to get off suboxone maintinance for good as I've come to the conclusion that I, myself can only end my addiction to opiates...or at least learn to moderate it/acclamate it into a "normal and healthy/contributing to society and having a life, lifestyle". (All thanks to LSD I was able to get off suboxone) Yes now I realize I have developed a slight to moderate poppy seed tea addiction, but if I really wanted to quit, I could..and I'm pretty positive I'm at that "end point" of fucking around with it in a way to where it's holding me back in life. I recently aquired some L, 4-aco-DMT, and DMT as well...all I can say is "yeah.....I'm starting to feel life the right way again" 8)=D :| ANYWAYS...enough fucking rambling, just needed to give you guys some background info to give more accurate (to me) opinions. Oh yeah, also if I wait to be off opiates completely before taking the 4-aco-dmt, I will most definately go through quite mild to moderate (but definately very "under control" withdrawls...like having a weak flu..time going SO SLOW being the main factor of inconvenience)..That being said, I'd definately then have to wait at least 3-4 days before doing the 4-aco-dmt instead of today (haven't gone to sleep yet and it's 3am in the morning) I'd have to wait those days out since I don't think I'd want to be on a psychedelic while in withdrawls...(I've done it on acid...not fun)...Ok...so:

1)Should I "wait it out" to get the poppy seed alkaloids all out of me or do as I please and dose the 4-aco-dmt, with a very minor opiate buzz still riding through me? (I honestly don't mind being on opiates while on any psychedelic, but I've only done this specific one once and that was over a year ago, so I don't really remember anything about it other than how "calm" it was). The only thing I'm worried about is that I plan on taking 25mg (it's all I have so I can't take more) and just don't want the poppy seeds to dull and/or weaken the "deepness"/"divine fortitude" of the trip. Am I making any sense?
That being said, I REALLY REALLY REALLY want to eat this stuff like RIGHT NOW even, but I know I should get a good "night's" sleep first.

2) IF I take it today, I was either planning on going to the beach and just chilling out on "my own" patch of sand to myself, listening to music, listening to everything...eating some grapes and oranges, ice cold water....jumping into the ocean..."ahh..." %) ...zonning out laying on the sand and inevitably getting a really fucking bad sunburn...(nah, i've learned from last time when i zonked out for like 3hrs on really smooth LSD)<<<It's not fun in any way to feel like an oven cooked tomato while frying on seriously supreme acid..so kids, wear your sun screen. :!8) ....The beach, or should I stay at home and be more ready/prepared to do a lot of laying in my bed zonning out completely, and/or then recording some self made music on the old 8-track recorder. (It's almost a tradition for me to record music while on psychedelics..although I'm not very familiar with 4-aco-dmt at all so...hence this post? With anything I've done at least once before, I'd be 100% down to record music on. I just want the environment/setting/mind frame to be perfect.) ...Pretty much just staying in my room on my bed and then out in the recording room for the whole trip vs. a day of space at the beach. (I've spent a good 2.5hrs reading through the old "4-aco-dmt megathread that's been archived, read through page 5 before putting up this post...so I think I have a fairly decent idea, if any, at least so ...yeah(?)..<<<I'm not sure what I mean't by that either)

3)The fact that I've technically ate this compound before (if you've been reading everything I wrote), makes me think that my body/mind will handle this very well, and be able to dive even deeper into "it" than the last time, since my brain/body/psyche somewhat knows the "general attitude" of the compound, as to not get frightened and put the "sticking to reality as much as possible" breaks on and instead fully turning open the flood gates to "my psychedelic gem spot". The fact that I've read every single word of every single post up to page 5 on the archived "mega thread"; The fact that I've done quite a bit of DMT recently (smoked and smoked on LSD), the fact that I had that infamous (a lot of people read and responded to the post/thread) DOM overdose where I thought that I "finally" fucking lost it for good...I was told it was LSD and it was definately DOM from my experience...long story short..you can find the thread if you really want to read about it..that's as far as i'll go with that...anyways, point being, I'm 100% fully ready to get the shit kicked out of my ego (as in losing it...as in an easy +++/+++.5/++++ <<<perhaps if I hit the nitrous?...I dunno) and not end up in the hospital. The most important thing is that I'd have to be at the beach to stay calm if my cage were to get rattled so hard at 25mg...at home I'd go crazy, if this were to be the case...per say...I mean, I did freak out at home on that DOM overdose, and I had to repeat it, I think I could definately handle it without going to the hospital..now of course..not then...but I don't feel like wasting this (obviously proportedly gem of a psychedelic) trip just because I wasn't in the right phyiscal place under the influence of it. There's something about the beach, and a specific more quiet (far less people, most of them sitting in their cars too afraid to go on the beach, lol, making it ideal for the spot being like "my own private beach") spot that seems to keep me calm no matter how hard I trip on whatever chemical in question.

4) I'm not worried about "missing out" on great music I "could of" made if I stay at home, indoors instead of the beach..as I will most definately be getting a nice solid personal amount to keep in storage so I won't have to worry about ever getting more...after this trip of course...if I trip...of course :\

5) Try not to take my seemingly very questionable/unsure attitude about "this whole thing" into account, as I'm definately ready for this experience...I just thought I could use ANY input from ANYONE who's an experienced 4-aco-dmt user. The opiates in my system though, yeah, is kind of racking my mind as I don't want to waste any milligrams of the "4aces"...but remember, I haven't noticed any real significant, if any, lack of potency in my tripping, like with mushrooms, or something like 2c-t-2, 2c-i, when on opiates in the past...as a matter of fact opiates seem to have made me be able to calm my ego down to the point that I was able to dive deeper into the trip than normally, because opiates tend to turn off most thoughts in my brain in the first place....then again, with a new chemical I am unfamiliar with and have only tried once almost 2 years ago and had more of a baseline trip that I hardly remember, I honestly don't know if the opiates (with poppy seed tea you get at least 3 opiates in you) would take away from/dull the trip of this specific typtamine...Or for example if opiates in general tend to weaken tryptamines or if they weaken phenethylamines...or the opposite...or nuetral/as in no affect.

Aight, I've gone off on enough tangents and loops here and there, now it's time to leave it up to you guys for the input. I'm gonna go hit the sack, getting a good rest for whatever will or will not occur "tomorro"...............pz........

-DM:|
 
I believe 4-aco-dmt works in nearly the same way as mushrooms, so if opium hasn't caused tolerance to mushrooms, it shouldn't make you trip less off 4-aco-dmt either.

One thing to take into account when planning your trip is that 4-aco-dmt seems to be extremely short-acting for some people (including me and Xorkoth), while others seem to trip longer than on mushrooms. For me the trip is essentially over 3-4 hours after taking 4-aco-dmt.
 
Thanks for your input, I decided to put it off at the soonest till later tonight. Things just kind of have to fall into place for me to trip nowadays. None of that "ok yeah I'm just gonna eat this" nonsense...Then again I went from being a teen and tripping weekly or more to an adult to tripping only a few times a year...and what has come of it? The trips are 10 fold better this more "laid back" way. I should just take down my previous post, it was entirely pointless upon retrospect and not buzzing so hard on the seeds now...(just a slight remaining buzz).

If there's one thing I remember about that "one time" I took this chemical, it was that the trip was indeed quite short...which is what I and, upon further reading in the archives, many others consider a sacrament nowadays. :) Peace
 
It's one of my favourite combo
for me they go perfect together
I usually sniffing around 6-12mg of 4-aco-dmt after the main peak, it adds some new colours to the expirience:)

I would think this would be one of the most perfect trips ever...at least for me...as LSD is by far always going to be my most favorite psychedelic, and adding the "4aces" to it...wow, I really want to try that now that people are meantioning it...dammit...and to think, I had 300mics of L less than a week ago... :( guess I'll just have to get more of both. In that dream I had of course. :!
 
Ended up eating 25-30mg at ~9:30PST ,,,,still going good...cooming down but regardless...the best psychedelic experience i've had in a LONG FUCKNG TIME.....i'd rather do this than L...well...well well ......hmm.... This is a great one aint it :D
 
Ended up eating 25-30mg at ~9:30PST ,,,,still going good...cooming down but regardless...the best psychedelic experience i've had in a LONG FUCKNG TIME.....i'd rather do this than L...well...well well ......hmm.... This is a great one aint it :D

I have some questions.

1. HCl? Fumarate? Freebase?

2. How was your trip? Can you describe the degree of perceptive and cognitive effect?
 
I'm planning a trip tomorrow night on 4-aco-dmt. I will take 20 mg of fumarate alone in my room with family at home (sleeping). I will begin to meditate as soon as effects are felt, and will listen to some soft ambient music. It's been one month since my last trip, which was with the same substance and dose. Unfortunately, this last trip left me feeling rather empty since I spent a lot of the trip wanting it to end (though not excactly feeling any substantial fear). This last trip was spent with my friends and not in a meditative state of mind. Two tripping friends and one sober friend. Video games, TV, daylight.

You don't know my psyche, but do you think this new setting will lend itself better to a positive experience with 4-aco-dmt? My wish is to have an experience in which I am able to calmly face whatever the psychedelic unfolds within my mind.

True - you however do know it ;)

Could your mindset be an issue as well ?
 
True - you however do know it ;)

Could your mindset be an issue as well ?

Yeah. Now I didn't do that but tripped in the weekend with a friend. It went fine, probably my least anxious trip ever actually. No big "insights" either though. I might attribute this to our intake method; we were done with eating it about 40 minutes after starting. It's recommended to just shot it all down at once with a glass of water, since this will be much more effect, from what I've experienced.
 
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