The Big and Dandy 4-AcO-DMT thread - New incarnation

[aberrant]

I appreciate those who responded to my query a page back or two. I did wind up dosing sublingually and it worked to the same effect as oral admin., with the nice exception that I was able to enjoy a well sized dinner before my trip.

I am sure this has been asked and answered a hundred times already but if someone were to want to seperate their powder into doses, would would be the recommended amount. 25mg seems to be too intense for some, but perfect for others. 12.5mg maybe?

The first time I tried psilacetin it was at 20mg + cannabis and the experience was pretty comparable to 2.5-3g of mush. My second trip with 20mg (no pot) was much weaker and I've received the same effects from about a half gram of good mush before; I don't have any explanation for this. My last trip involved splitting 100mg into four piles and dosing with some friends, yet even with weed, this approximate 25mg dose was quite light and I had only minor visual effects for the most part accompanied by numerous laughs, yawns, & that telltale feeling of goodness and warmth in my stomach. The trip was pretty much over within 4 1/2 hours. Due to the variability I've experienced with the chemical, I would recommend aiming high on your dose if you have any sort of prior tripping experience. Psilacetin is easily one of the most welcoming psychedelics around, and if you're having a great time on a lighter dose, you might start wondering why you didn't take it just a little farther.

 

[cross]

I think it's clear that 25mg is the best way of doing it :D Hope nobody tries to snort it all though...

 

[bluedolphin]

I've definitely become more comfortable with this chemical over time, and increasing my preferred dose. I used to consider 16mg or so to be a pretty good ride.. and it definitely is.. but now that I've done 30mg and had the most beautiful and healing experience with it, I see it's really one of the few psychedelics I can always count on as an ally.

 

[anondragonfly]

I think it's clear that 25mg is the best way of doing it :D Hope nobody tries to snort it all though...

I'm not sure that snorting really increases potency at all. 15mg snorted a couple years back gave me very mild effects, perhaps even weaker than the same amount would orally. I've only done it orally since and it has worked much better.

 

[bluedolphin]

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Yes its certainly nowhere near the 2x potency increase of snorting 2C-x chemicals...

I do find snorting 4-aco-DMT to be maybe 30-50% stronger though. Maybe a slightly less quality trip but still damn good.

 

[PsychedelicDoctor]

you guys make me so excited about trying new stuff.

i have just put a order in the other day for what seems like a real gem.

RC's make me giddy!

 

[hamhurricane]

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Yes its certainly nowhere near the 2x potency increase of snorting 2C-x chemicals...
maybe 30-50% stronger though. Maybe a slightly less quality trip but still damn good.

i find it to be EXACTLY the same potency when snorted, strangly enough, it also gave me a gushing nosebleed but did not cause any pain (4-subs never do%)) also i must say that i love love love love love 4-aco-dmt, i suppose ive lost count of how many times its tickled my brain.

 

[Erebus-]

How similar is 4-AcO-DMT to psilocybin/psilocin mushrooms? Are the effects identical?

 

[Coolio]

They would be indistinguishable in a double blind study, I think, except for the different dosage.

 

[Xorkoth]

In my experience that's not true at all... different people feel different about this. For me and others, 4-AcO-DMT feels substantially different than mushrooms, or pure psilocin (especially mushrooms though). 4-AcO-DMT has a much more high-frequency buzzing that reminds me of smoked DMT, except slower. The visuals are "jewel-like" like smoked DMT visuals are. Also, 4-AcO-DMT is reliably much smoother and has never produced the slightest bit of anxiety in me, whereas mushrooms always make me wish I hadn't taken them until the come-up is over. Mushrooms/psilocin tend to be much more mentally active for me also. Truly, 4-AcO-DMT reminds me more of smoked DMT (except slower) than mushrooms.

Granted, I have always known what I was taking before taking it. But I think I have enough experience to be able to tell the difference between two chemicals that reliably produce a different set of effects in me. To someone quite familiar with both substances, I think you'd be able to tell the difference in a double-blind study. Or at least I would. 4-AcO-DMT seems to range in effects moreso than many of substances, between individuals.

 

[Papa1]

Anyone else think that 4-aco-dmt is identical to mushrooms? Anyone else feel it's different? I'm interested in trying this with my somewhat-psych-innocent gf precisely because people report it as "smoother" and "less anxious" than mushrooms, but if it's identical... Testimonials? Anecdotes? I'd love to get a feel for this before I try it.

 

[anondragonfly]

It's definitely different than mushrooms, but additionally it tends to be different from itself each time I try it. Sometimes it comes up in 30 minutes, sometimes it takes 2 hours. It has lasted anywhere from 3 to 6 hours, and has sometimes been primarily visual and sometimes mostly mental. It's generally more sedating than mushrooms and almost entirely anxiety-free.

 

[invert]

It's definitely different than mushrooms, but additionally it tends to be different from itself each time I try it. Sometimes it comes up in 30 minutes, sometimes it takes 2 hours. It has lasted anywhere from 3 to 6 hours, and has sometimes been primarily visual and sometimes mostly mental.

To what extent might this be explicable in terms of varying dosages and stomach contents? Was it this variable under comparable circumstances?

It's generally more sedating than mushrooms and almost entirely anxiety-free.

On an unfortunately not exactly known dose of 4-AcO-DMT I had intense anxiety (albeit in an not ideal setting), as did the chap I was tripping with; although it was - in terms of general trippiness - not as intense as the most intense mushroom trips I'd had. Mushroom trips have for me occasionally produced anxiety, but not really anything like that. I'm sorry I can't specify dosages...

I would say that, at this presumably high dose, I had a very mental and not so visual trip (much less visual than any mushroom trip I'd had, despite the large mind-fuck and anxiety).

ETA: I've not had enough 4-AcO-DMT trips to compare properly: just that high dose and a couple of low doses.

 

[Coolio]

It's definitely different than mushrooms, but additionally it tends to be different from itself each time I try it. Sometimes it comes up in 30 minutes, sometimes it takes 2 hours. It has lasted anywhere from 3 to 6 hours, and has sometimes been primarily visual and sometimes mostly mental. It's generally more sedating than mushrooms and almost entirely anxiety-free.

With as much variability in timeline and subjective effect as even a pure synthetic batch of 4-AcO-DMT seems to have, can you really imagine someone telling the difference it and psilocin?

The reason I think 4-AcO-DMT feels more smooth for many is because you don't have to taste the nauseating taste of dried mushrooms in your teeth.

 

[Aleph]

Without going into the mushrooms, I perfectly distinction 4-po-dmt, 4-ho-dmt and 4-aco-dmt for the following characteristics:
-4-aco-dmt: Absence of anxiety, not very visual and very introspective.
-4-ho-dmt: Little anxiety, very visual and not very introspective.
-4-po-dmt: A lot of anxiety (to the point that I have never take high dose to produce panic attacks), very little visual and very introspective.

But other people don't have to have my same reactions.

Greetings.

 

[psood0nym]

Without going into the mushrooms, I perfectly distinction 4-po-dmt, 4-ho-dmt and 4-aco-dmt for the following characteristics:
-4-aco-dmt: Absence of anxiety, not very visual and very introspective.
-4-ho-dmt: Little anxiety, very visual and not very introspective.
-4-po-dmt: A lot of anxiety (to the point that I have never take high dose to produce panic attacks), very little visual and very introspective.

If you have pure 4-PO-DMT you should really write a trip report. I haven't heard of people using it outside of studies.

 

[anondragonfly]

To what extent might this be explicable in terms of varying dosages and stomach contents? Was it this variable under comparable circumstances?


On an unfortunately not exactly known dose of 4-AcO-DMT I had intense anxiety (albeit in an not ideal setting), as did the chap I was tripping with; although it was - in terms of general trippiness - not as intense as the most intense mushroom trips I'd had. Mushroom trips have for me occasionally produced anxiety, but not really anything like that. I'm sorry I can't specify dosages...

True nothing can fix for set and setting, but as a general rule most agree that 4-aco-dmt is less anxiety-ridden than the average psychedelic. But 4-aco-dmt doesn't seem to like to be generalized...

In terms of stomach contents, I don't think they have affected my experiences greatly. Most recently I reached the peak 20-30 minutes after dosing, and I had a relatively full stomach, though perhaps the trip was a bit weaker than I had expected based on the dose. Other times it has taken 1.5 hours to come up on a completely empty stomach. And I have had opposite results, so I can only conclude that stomach contents have a relatively small effect on the experience.

 

[Delsyd]

It's definitely different than mushrooms, but additionally it tends to be different from itself each time I try it.

On the same note, mushrooms tend to produce different trips every time you take them aswell.
In fact alot of psychedelics can be different from trip to trip depending on certain variables; the set and setting, stomach contents, method of ingestion.

Ive had mushrooms come on as fast as 30 min to peak and baseline by 3 hours when i have taken it in the form of tea chugged down real quick.

Do i think the two are different from each other? Yes, as most have said psilacetin tends to be more gentle. But ive had extremely happy trips on mushrooms and have seen ppl flip on 4 aco dmt. so there's 2 sides to every coin.
Do i think you can get them confused in a blind test study? Absolutley, they are similar enough. Where as it would be easy to tell the difference between mushrooms and LSD

Aside from 4 ho Dipt i think its pretty easy to get any of the 4 ho/aco Tryptamines confused with each other.

 

[highandrolling]

anyone have a link for the effects that 4-aco-dmt, or tryptamines in general, have on your health, if there is anything but positives...?

 

[DexterMeth]

I think it's clear that 25mg is the best way of doing it :D Hope nobody tries to snort it all though...

25-30mg, I couldn't agree any more..a number of non-Bl'rs tend to agree...we all seem to like it up at 30mg though...it's just so funny how the 25 is like "the 23"to Jim Carrey in that movie..'cept i'm not even nearly lose to that obcessive about it...It just makes me chuckle a litlle...and what a perfect "RC" (what a bastardization of a lable for this true, yes..again like everyone else said(ays), a true gem) it is. I find it so forgiving and generally "groovy" and easy to work with that pushing the envelope until you think you're gonna personally break, would actually turn out to be very cool the whole time...just don't forget though...I don't care and it doesn't matter if you're at the school dance with Angelina Jolie...you're still not gaurenteed to get a blowjob.

I've definitely become more comfortable with this chemical over time, and increasing my preferred dose. I used to consider 16mg or so to be a pretty good ride.. and it definitely is.. but now that I've done 30mg and had the most beautiful and healing experience with it, I see it's really one of the few psychedelics I can always count on as an ally.

Always as an ally? ALWAYS? I know you were "simply" trying to expound on your feelings/thoughts about the ace, but as with any p sychedelic...your bab can very easily grow up, and that's not really a problem, if at all...but what appens if no matter how well you try to raise it, a random "I'm feeling like fucking Superman with Joda's brain as mine"...y ou can say all thse, be "in it"...then take a mere 10mg one day of it and really really wishing you took the red pill and not the blue one ;-\ ...seriously folks....wait what? Oh it's called writting anreading and then writting..and i tactually can be far more addictive than any drug you've ever done.....8)

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Yes its certainly nowhere near the 2x potency increase of snorting 2C-x chemicals...
Hence (and even aside from this), I don't see ANY fucking point in messing with a good thing...you know? It's been nothing short of utterly perfect for my 25-30mg oral doses (2 now and counting..can't wait)....It's likegetting some very good nearly pure heroin in a bag you foun at the bus station...(someone miscplaced/lost it, and it's ALL yours)...you're not into using needles, and have actually always been against it in general....So you're snorting away this big bag of free, VERY pure heroin, but then the night comes to where you decide you want to get higher....quicker that is....no, you "can't" just snort bigger lines and faster...you "HAVE" to try shooting it up....So you do it and end uop developing a nasty spike habbit because of how much you liked it...within a few weeks time, you now can no longer function without heroin, and it has to be by shooting it up...you would rather wait a few hours to get new needles that just snort some lines to feel on the even. If you stuck to snorting it, you would of still had A LOT of it, and been perfectly content with snorting it....the negative side effects all 10x less in severity from snorting than shooting...the overall length of the high actually lasting longer when snorting vs shooting. This is all an example/joke of course. Human, greed...always gone, going, and fucking up something that is already perfect....destroying it while trying to make "it" "better".

I do find snorting 4-aco-DMT to be maybe 30-50% stronger though. Maybe a slightly less quality trip but still damn good.

Aide from the last thing I just wrote above...another example of how I can show my view point. To me atleast, 4-aco-dmt is so damn special, that if you don't have enough to reach a desired state of the "4ace" realm orally, than you should just perhaps do that almost exstinct human action/trate, called WAITING. Everything, include your body, mind and soul, will all thank you graciouslly, and the drug itself will REALLY thank you...through what only YOU will be able to describe later as, "shit mang, I'm so fucking glad I waited to get more of this stuff for a higher oral dose instead of jsut snorting that 10mg/etc a month aback....plus it further enforces a very impotant and positive attribute to possess in your own psychic/mental arsinal called "PATIENCE"! learn it...live it..............

They would be indistinguishable in a double blind study, I think, except for the different dosage.

^Um no, I seriously SERIOUSLY doubt that. I mean, especially with the whole, 4-aco-dmt is a completely different drug than shrooms and all...let alone 4-aco-dmt vs 4-ho-dmt....like 4-aco-dipt vs. 4-ho-dipt....lol, are you fucking kdding? This is nothing personal (in rehards to YOU, my friend), but knowing the PD forum, I think everyone in here with at least 1/3'rd of a functioning brain would agree with me on this...maybe you agree too ...maybe you already knew but were bored or some shit...Happy trails