Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v3; 2010 - 2022

[SkagKush]

May i ask why keep it for 28 days in water?

its bacteriostatic water....... it has like 0.9 percent benzyl alcohol in it....to preserve solutions.........

so you can grab some bupe, and filter it in.....and figure out how many UT's to mg's there is.....

 

[DexterMeth]

^What's UT stand for? I'm pretty certain I know what they are but not what that abbreviation means.
@Been - It's confidential in the sense that at least you might believe no one else knows you're an addict

 

[caseface99]

@Caseface99: You prefer H withdrawals?! Gotta stop you here and ask...you serious? Wd's after doing H for how long? and at what doses? I think a lot will disagree with you. The whole point of the Bupes is to make Opiates Wd's much lighter, until you taper your doses down and give the goodbye kiss. Also, even if the Bupes are used over some time, tapering should be done properly and with no rush. After all, it is a very potent, miracle drug and should be handled with care.

Im absolutely serious. I was using 11-16 bags of dope a day for about 8 months, took me a few months to get to a dose that high, and the majority of the time on that dose was to not feel sick. Getting high wasn't even an option anymore with my money situation. I was on 12mgs daily of suboxone for a year, and have been taper for the last 7 months so thats 19 months total so far. So i know i've been on suboxone for a good while longer than i used heroin, but in my experience heroin never gave me the same "feeling" that suboxone gives me. Its hard to explain, but im not talking about the sweats, or muscle/bone aches, or nausea or diarrhea, RLS, etc. Not those symptoms, take away all that, and im talking about the general feeling you have in you skin sortof, all over. I can't take it. I got something similar from heroin, but nothing as horrible feeling as what suboxone gives me. Even now at .5mgs of sub. I could honestly deal with all the other symptoms except maybe RLS if i had to, its just this feeling that makes me want to rip my skin off. Perhaps i wasn't on heroin long enough, i don't know. But i kicked pretty bad from it before i got my sub scrip.
Besides, don't synthetic opioids have notoriously worse withdrawal symptoms than heroin? Or just oxy?

I encourage you wholeheartedly. I think that dosing 2x daily will yield a more consistent blood level of the drug over a given 24hours. Then, just continue to divide your doses into halves, quarters, until you get small enough pieces to see the taper through to the end. With a purpose, but not rushed...

Are you using the Subxone strips (easiest to divide accurately)? Of course, you could always make a larger solution of 'Suboxone water' like 1mg / 4mL -- really dilute in order to dose with consistency in the lower range ~0.125mg, etc. Not for IV, just for sublingual, but premade and likely even better for dosing.

Thanks for the advice. I did in fact get the strips prescribed last time i went to the doc since im at such a low dose now the pills were inconsistent to say the least. The strips are awesome, i love them. When i wake up tomorrow ill take .25, and then again when i go to bed and do that for a couple days and see how it works out. I suppose ill want to start dosing at the same time everyday more consistently, which i should be doing anyway. That in itself might be a contributor to my lack of stabilizing after a month at a dose. Ill report back how i feel tomorrow night.

^ you actually inspired me to get one.....u had posted pictures......does yours have ridges inside? like a bunch of very small pyramids (not flat), and i find that the two sides dont quite touch.......does the job properly tho......

update....for those of you who knew i was very sick.....im feeling much better, and doing well....not 100 percent, but close......my left basilic still has a bump tho, and it swells when i poke at it.....but thats better to

edit.....i ended up in the ER the night before last.....

I Love my pill crusher. I have no use for it anymore since im on the strips and 78 days sober, but it served me well over the years. Also very glad to hear you are doing well!

its bacteriostatic water....... it has like 0.9 percent benzyl alcohol in it....to preserve solutions.........

so you can grab some bupe, and filter it in.....and figure out how many UT's to mg's there is.....

You are not necessarily incorrect, it may very well also preserve the solution. But to my knowledge the main reason for using water with .9% benzyl alcohol (bacteriostatic water) is to stop bacteria from growing in it. If one were to inject a solution kept for any number of days in just water they could get a very serious infection, possibly even a fatal infection if it had been long enough.

^What's UT stand for? I'm pretty certain I know what they are but not what that abbreviation means.
@Been - It's confidential in the sense that at least you might believe no one else knows you're an addict

Im pretty certain what he meant was figuring out the ratio of mgs to units on a syringe.



Uhg. I mentioned this before, but i HATE how its like my body doesn't absorb the suboxone until i either sleep or exercise. I forgot to take my dose before i went rock climbing today, so i took it when i got home like 5 hours ago and i feel like shit. Yesterday i took it before i went rock climbing, and when i got home until i went to bed i felt fine.

I guarantee ill wake up and feel fine, especially since i didn't take the dose until 9pm, but id like to feel fine in order to fall asleep in the first place and not have to keep relying on clonidine to sleep.
Although kratom soon, can probably afford to order it this weekend. Should only take a day or 2 to get here at most. Im excited to give it a try.

 

[SubDude]

^ you actually inspired me to get one.....u had posted pictures......does yours have ridges inside? like a bunch of very small pyramids (not flat), and i find that the two sides dont quite touch.......does the job properly tho......

update....for those of you who knew i was very sick.....im feeling much better, and doing well....not 100 percent, but close......my left basilic still has a bump tho, and it swells when i poke at it.....but thats better to

edit.....i ended up in the ER the night before last.....

Haven't seen your pal JB here lately... is he OK? Sorry for off topic.

 

[Been&Done]

@DexterMeth: He meant confidential from my part, as i don't tell that HE gave me the number! Yep, and not the other way around! He said these are the Subutex company and they like to hear that people like their product. Called from Canada when i was done with my 1st 30 pills,
and they are the ones who explained that i won't really be able to find Subutex here, only Suboxone, and that the Sub in Canada is given to a specific number of people by "Health Canada" including pregnancy cases!

@SkagKush: Thank you for the info, in 10 years of H and having most of my friends give in to the needle after a few years, with the higher doses n the higher tolerance, but not me! I remained with my snorting habit for all those long years but crazy ass doses, and even with seeing many shoot up, i never really got into it so excuse my lack of vocabulary in this specific area, thanx again.

@Caseface: "I was using 11-16 bags of dope a day for about 8 months, took me a few months to get to a dose that high, and the majority of the time on that dose was to not feel sick"
Of course that is a lot, but i'm talking about a different kind of experience, i was doing H for 10 years, last 6 of them i was sniffing 2 gm/a day and just to be normal by the way, I had to use Rohypnol, Rivotril, Soma or even xanax later, to really feel something. This is why i'm saying that Subutex is a miracle drug and should be used properly, it gave me back my life, simple as that. I was going to tell you do some sports and try not to think about these symptoms all day long, but i read about your rock climbing, i always wanted to do it, keep it up man, sports are amazing for mind, body and soul. Are you planning to stay on them for a long time? I'm not, this is my last 30 pills refill, and they will last for quite some time. Good luck

 

[caseface99]

I've been tapering for 8 months or so down from 12mgs with a few slip ups/set backs here and there, and was level at 12mgs for a year before that. With any luck ill be off by Christmas. Im at .5mgs so if what i've been told about kratom is correct then being off by Christmas and done with acute withdrawals should be a realistic goal. Rock climbing is awesome, find a local gym that has a wall and go for it. For for the first time in years i have visible muscles.

So yeah, i consider the 19ish months i've been on suboxone to be a rather long time, but even so it doesn't compare with your heroin addiction. Everybodys different, and with my own heroin addiction compared to my bupe dependence i would choose heroin withdrawals. Im not disputing suboxone is a miracle drug of sorts and has given lives back to countless addicts, i know it helped me. I just with they had a maintenance drug that was less addictive.

 

[PurpleLibra]

just got a pill crusher.......so cool....it works great, and it has a storage space on the bottom to hold my bupe......good investment for under two digits.........snort snort lol.....

still on 1 mg daily, bit i just snorted 0.5mg for a nice evening 'buzz'................

I want one! Where does one find a pill crusher with a storage space?

 

[caseface99]

Pharmacies generally sell them, check the websites for CVS and walgreens.

 

[PurpleLibra]

Pharmacies generally sell them, check the websites for CVS and walgreens.

Cool... I've seen pill cutters (which are crushers in their own right in my experience) but never anything that would crush them. This is awesome... thank you! I gotta pick up Nicorette patches for my mother at CVS today and I'll check and see if they have any in stock.

I'd love to have something I could take to work in my purse.....

 

[caseface99]

Just a tip i found extremely useful, while quoting multiple people click on this:

for each post you wish to quote, then on the last one hit "quote".

Rather than double posting or quoting multiple people very slowly and tediously.

 

[PurpleLibra]

Just a tip i found extremely useful, while quoting multiple people click on this:

for each post you wish to quote, then on the last one hit "quote".

Rather than double posting or quoting multiple people very slowly and tediously.

Well hell fire! I've been wondering how in the world (and meaning to ask) how to quote multiple posts. Thank you very much!

I'm used to Smf forums... Pbh? Not so much. I'm learning though. Thanks again.

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

Just a tip i found extremely useful, while quoting multiple people click on this:

for each post you wish to quote, then on the last one hit "quote".

Rather than double posting or quoting multiple people very slowly and tediously.

i just learned that not too long ago lol. made me feel stupid for how i was doing it, finding out there was a MUCH simpler method.

 

[BIFF TANNEN]

I have been taking suboxone for a month now @ 16mgs a day(too much I know)....like an idiot I came across some IR oxy today...I took it only 12 hrs after my last sub dose, and I actually felt a decent little high...weird right? but i def felt it... I have enough oxy for 1 more use and zero chance of obtaining anymore for the forseable future........my question now is, where do I go from here....when can I resume my sub use? I hope I didnt completely fuck myself. In other words, if I used 1 or 2 times (the oxy) obviously I wouldnt be dependent on it, but I DO NOT want to go into precipitated wd's...any info you can give I would greatly appreciate....

 

[caseface99]

i just learned that not too long ago lol. made me feel stupid for how i was doing it, finding out there was a MUCH simpler method.

It wasn't all that long ago that i found this out too. For over a year i would quote>copypasta>quote>copypasta etc. Took forever lol.

I have been taking suboxone for a month now @ 16mgs a day(too much I know)....like an idiot I came across some IR oxy today...I took it only 12 hrs after my last sub dose, and I actually felt a decent little high...weird right? but i def felt it... I have enough oxy for 1 more use and zero chance of obtaining anymore for the forseable future........my question now is, where do I go from here....when can I resume my sub use? I hope I didnt completely fuck myself. In other words, if I used 1 or 2 times (the oxy) obviously I wouldnt be dependent on it, but I DO NOT want to go into precipitated wd's...any info you can give I would greatly appreciate....

In my experience with using heroin while prescribed sub, i only had to worry if i used heroin for a week or more in a row. Which only happened when i sold to many subs lol. Otherwise, you shouldn't have to wait at all. I only ever got precipitated withdrawal once while mainly on bupe and it was about a 2 1/2 week heroin binge. I have done heroin for 5 days then strait back to sub without waiting and been fine. Some would argue not to do this and to wait, but surely if you have only doses oxy once or twice you won't get precipitated withdrawal and should be fine to take your sub.

 

[oxyhydro]

Guide to injecting Suboxone.

I though I'd post my method as Ive never seen it online before. And I put the actual method in BOLD the rest of the text is important as well so please read everything!

First of all this is for HARM REDUCTION! Shooting pills is very dangerous because one tiny mistake in the preparation can have lethal or otherwise horrible consequences. This method has worked for me, I've been shooting my subs using this for 3 weeks with no problems.

Its a simple method that relies on the oldest form of filtration- settling. What I do I dissolve an 8mg tab in a sterile shot glass with 8ml of bacteriostat water (purchased online). I then cover the glass and put in in the fridge overnight. In the morning I very VERY carefully remove the glass and place it on the table. All the insoluable fillers are at the bottom and there is a thin white film on top. Let is stay on the table for another hour just in case you disturbed the powder while moving it out of the fridge. Then with your syringe, suck up the crystal clear liquid CAREFULLY from the middle of the glass (poke through the film on top but stay well above the powder on the bottom. If you used 8ml of water, only fill 7 syringes because the last ml is mixed with all the fillers and its impossible to extract without pulling up fillers.

This does waste 1mg, but if your prescribed this shouldn't be a problem.

The liquid you suck up is a pure solution, meaning there are no insolubles in it. I put it in the fridge because anything that's soluble in the cold will be soluble in your veins. It takes time, but you can do it with two tabs and 16ml of water to end up with 14 syringes ready to go (always leave in 1ml per tablet). Store the needles in your fridge in a zip lock bag so they stay clean.

Only inject once ever three days and don't do more than 1mg. When you do 1mg or less you leave some opiate receptors open to take on the metabolized norbuprenorphine which is a full agonist (at least that is my theory). If you inject too much you get a tolerance to the subs and they stop working.

DISCLAIMER: Again, this is for harm reduction! If you don't shoot pill or use needles please don't start because its almost impossible to stop.

I believe this is an extremely thorough way of filtering, if anyone sees any dangers that I missed please comment!

And remember, people have died or lost limbs because of poor filtering, the smallest particle can cause a pulmonary edema which is deadly! I've only been doing this for 3 weeks so there is no guarantee this is safe, I could just have been lucky so far!

 

[*=Regulator=*]

As of today, I'm one month clean of Suboxone. :D The PAWS also seem to be letting up a bit. The number one thing that's kept me going is exercise. Walking, running, free-weights, cardio - IMO exercise is a true 'miracle drug'.

 

[modkiller]

is it true that you can actually get a buzz off bupe if you taper down and take really small doses? i mean do you go down to like .5mg a day and when you want to get buzzed take a full 2 or 8mg? or do you feel buzzed every time you take that tiny ass dose once youve gotten that low?

this is making sense to me since bupe is scripted in only .2mg sublingual tablets in other countries and prior to suboxone/subutex buprenex was all there was and that was .3mg IM/IV

.3mg IV = 3.3mg SL with the tablets

so would it be fair to say that 3-4mg is an ideal dose for suboxone on a daily basis?

i could see tapering down to like .5mg a day and taking 3.3mg when you want to get buzzed, but getting buzzed everytime you take just .5mg a day...i dont know.


ive been taking suboxone and subutex for years. i was IVing 2mg a day for years and of course had no euphoria. however, i remember when i started i was taking 2mg SL and had no euphoria either. i remember sniffing a 2mg and getting a little buzz at that point. so all of this is quite conflicting to me.


regardless, i would like to taper down if i can feel a generally anxiolytic, antidepressant effect from bupe but i NEED to keep my cravings at bay too. if 2mg SL wasnt enough to keep me from wanting to get high, how am i to believe it will now?

i guess ill go down to 2mg SL a day and see what happens. ill try to go as low as i can. i just dont have much hope it will work any better. ive been on this shit for fucking 4 yrs. i DO know that when i would go back on it after being forced to stop from jail and what not it would feel wonderful in comparision to being sick but also actually felt GOOD too. something besides relief from WD. an actual euphoria of sorts.

is it possible to taper down low enough to where you feel like that again without having to be sick first? i get suicidal when i go longer than 5 days off suboxone.

please advise me. you all seem to have a lot of experience.

i want to cut down on the amount of pills i need to take anyway. lyrica, klonopin, suboxone....i would love to just take one pill like i used to and have it work for depression, anxiety, cravings, motivation. i mean wtf do ya think i used heroin for. twas teh best fuicking all in one drugs EVER.....the side effects were a little much though. side effects like being raped and homless. yeah, they should have that on teh package insert of a balloon or stamp bag "warning: it is known in the state of california that this product may lead to being fucked in the ass literally and figuratively."

may cause total LIFE FUCKAGE.

 

[BIFF TANNEN]

It wasn't all that long ago that i found this out too. For over a year i would quote>copypasta>quote>copypasta etc. Took forever lol.



In my experience with using heroin while prescribed sub, i only had to worry if i used heroin for a week or more in a row. Which only happened when i sold to many subs lol. Otherwise, you shouldn't have to wait at all. I only ever got precipitated withdrawal once while mainly on bupe and it was about a 2 1/2 week heroin binge. I have done heroin for 5 days then strait back to sub without waiting and been fine. Some would argue not to do this and to wait, but surely if you have only doses oxy once or twice you won't get precipitated withdrawal and should be fine to take your sub.

so, in theory....if I used today at 3pm....and lets say I use tomorrow at like 7am....I could wait till tomorrow afternoon.....say 3pm to resume my suboxone... (8hrs later) and be ok? I dont get it then why people are freaking out telling me I need to wait 48hrs...??? (on another site)


I basically came across 2 times worth of IR oxy, and wanted to use it, get it outta my hands..im an asshole and needed it, lol whatever you wanna call it......so i want to use it & then get back on the subs as soon as possible ...so your saying I can just resume my subs 8-12hrs or so after?


sorry if this is confusing....im a newbie on the subs. p.s. why is it that I wouldnt get PW's? Is it cause after only 2 times of using the oxy again, I wouldnt be physically dependent/addicted to it yet...?

 

[caseface99]

@ BIFF Thats exactly what i am saying. I have seen people say the same thing, but if your main dependence is to bupe not oxy, you should be fine. Like i said, i have taken heroin every day for a week and took bupe the next day after my last dose of dope. I only got the "dreaded" precipitated withdrawal after not waiting long enough after a 3 week binge.

So yes, i am very confident that you will be absolutely fine. You could always wait till say, 9pm rather than 3 to be safe if you want, but i really think 48 hours is un necessary in this situation. Again, this is only based on my own experience and everyone is different, but i don't think you have anything to worry about. Please report back with how it goes though.

@Modkiller I am pretty sure what people mean when they are talking about getting a nice high off of suboxone is having little to no tolerance, and dosing .5 to get high. Dosing in the mgs is not necessary. This is because you catch a buzz off of a chemical that buperenorphine metabolizes into if i remember correctly, and dosing to much just blocks your receptors from receiving this metabolite. I can say with confidence however, that it will take a very long time before you can get high off suboxone if you are tolerant to it. I have been taking .5mgs every day for a month and have yet to stabilize, i don't see myself taking it to get high for many months after being totally free of the substance. Hope this helped. If you wish to taper off of your suboxone effectively, it will be a very slow and drawn out process involving a long time in a state of minor withdrawal, but it beats cold turkey IMO.

@Regulator Awesome! Glad to hear you're doing well, i'll use that as inspiration in the final stretch of my own suboxone journey.

Its a simple method that relies on the oldest form of filtration- settling. What I do I dissolve an 8mg tab in a sterile shot glass with 8ml of bacteriostat water (purchased online). I then cover the glass and put in in the fridge overnight. In the morning I very VERY carefully remove the glass and place it on the table. All the insoluable fillers are at the bottom and there is a thin white film on top. Let is stay on the table for another hour just in case you disturbed the powder while moving it out of the fridge. Then with your syringe, suck up the crystal clear liquid CAREFULLY from the middle of the glass (poke through the film on top but stay well above the powder on the bottom. If you used 8ml of water, only fill 7 syringes because the last ml is mixed with all the fillers and its impossible to extract without pulling up fillers.

You already order your bacteriostatic water online, i don't understand why you don't go ahead and order micron filters while your at it? Surely no filtration method is more safe.

 

[BIFF TANNEN]

thanks case....when you say "main dependance" im a little lost...I mean I guess you could say maindependance is the bupe....seeing as Ive taken it daily for a month it certainly isnt the oxy, as Ive been oxy free for the last month while on the subs..I was hoping that only being on it a short time would help my situation...is it not?

Anyhow, I plan on taking the last of my oxy tomorrow am....hopefully not needing anything else during the day and then going back to the subs sunday am...so it't be 24ish hrs.....at worst i will wait till like 7pm tomorrow for the subs, so that would be at least 12hrs....again, thanks for the info.


also, I'll start smalll with like 1mg doeses or so....just to make sure I dont get the PW's.