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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v3; 2010 - 2022

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I have been taking suboxone for a month now @ 16mgs a day(too much I know)....like an idiot I came across some IR oxy today...I took it only 12 hrs after my last sub dose, and I actually felt a decent little high...weird right? but i def felt it... I have enough oxy for 1 more use and zero chance of obtaining anymore for the forseable future........my question now is, where do I go from here....when can I resume my sub use? I hope I didnt completely fuck myself. In other words, if I used 1 or 2 times (the oxy) obviously I wouldnt be dependent on it, but I DO NOT want to go into precipitated wd's...any info you can give I would greatly appreciate....

I did something similar a couple of weeks ago. I had a bunch of oxys in the house and it seemed as if they were taunting me... driving me batshit crazy is more like it. So, I went off the subs, took the oxys for a day and a half, and the next morning, roughly eight hours after my last oxy (I took about 250 - 300 mgs oxy in total) I took a sub. I thought for sure I would get sick, but I was dragging ass at work and I would have rather been puking than having anxiety attacks... anyway, I was fine!


I was seriously glad to be rid of the oxys and back on the subs. My mom takes oxy every now and then when her arthritis flares up really bad, so she kept six pills. She was like, "should I hide them from you?" and I laughed. Six wouldn't do shit for me, lol! Besides, if I wanted those pills, I would find them. I have torn the house apart numerous times looking for a hidden stash of Roxis. I would get high as fuck (go on a Roxi and Soma binge) and hide them from myself and it was always such a joy to run across a stash I hid from myself and forgotten about. GAWD I'm glad those days are over!


I love my subs. <3
 
I did something similar a couple of weeks ago. I had a bunch of oxys in the house and it seemed as if they were taunting me... driving me batshit crazy is more like it. So, I went off the subs, took the oxys for a day and a half, and the next morning, roughly eight hours after my last oxy (I took about 250 - 300 mgs oxy in total) I took a sub. I thought for sure I would get sick, but I was dragging ass at work and I would have rather been puking than having anxiety attacks... anyway, I was fine!


I was seriously glad to be rid of the oxys and back on the subs. My mom takes oxy every now and then when her arthritis flares up really bad, so she kept six pills. She was like, "should I hide them from you?" and I laughed. Six wouldn't do shit for me, lol! Besides, if I wanted those pills, I would find them. I have torn the house apart numerous times looking for a hidden stash of Roxis. I would get high as fuck (go on a Roxi and Soma binge) and hide them from myself and it was always such a joy to run across a stash I hid from myself and forgotten about. GAWD I'm glad those days are over!


I love my subs. <3



whew..this makes me feel a lot better lol. your story is similar to mine...I plan on getting rid of the rest of the IR oxy's I have in the house (they were taunting me too) tomorrow....I will take them all by 12pm Im sure, and Im gonna try my best to take no subs till sunday morning....prolly when I wake up at 7am....so thatll be at least 16+hrs of no oxy before I take any bupe....Im hoping I'll be ok, and hearing that other people have done this and been fine makes me feel OK with it.....lol, I hope so.


Im such an addict...knowing they were in the house made me cave after a month on the subs. uuugh. Well, the good ting is there is no way for me to get anymore after using what I have left....thanks for your replies.
 
You're correct with what i meant about "main dependence". I would be VERY surprised if you went into precipitated withdrawals. Again, don't be surprised if somebody else posts here trying to prove me wrong about this, but you now have two people telling you about an experience that says you will be fine.
 
Suboxone Maintence..waking up in w/d

hey all...question i would like to see if anyone has this problems...i just switched to the strips and btw there awesome..way better then the pills...as far as dissolving goes. anyways...i have this problem where i could take 8mg of suboxone...hour later ok the suboxone is working full effect for me..but if i fall asleep like 2 hours after i take my dose...and i wake up an hour later even 20 min later i wake up in withdrawal for some reason??...i mean i know the bupe is still on my receptors its just how the drug works but does anyone have this problem..it could even be a 5 minute nap! .. btw im on 8mg a day...so wtf is this...
 
Try dosing 4mgs twice a day instead, to get more consistent levels of bupe in your system.

Also, we have a thread for suboxone related questions that does actually get a good amount of attention, don't be surprised if this gets merged into there.
 
whew..this makes me feel a lot better lol. your story is similar to mine...I plan on getting rid of the rest of the IR oxy's I have in the house (they were taunting me too) tomorrow....I will take them all by 12pm Im sure, and Im gonna try my best to take no subs till sunday morning....prolly when I wake up at 7am....so thatll be at least 16+hrs of no oxy before I take any bupe....Im hoping I'll be ok, and hearing that other people have done this and been fine makes me feel OK with it.....lol, I hope so.


Im such an addict...knowing they were in the house made me cave after a month on the subs. uuugh. Well, the good ting is there is no way for me to get anymore after using what I have left....thanks for your replies.


I hear you on "I'm such an addict". I had those fucking pills in the house for WEEKS on end and it was pure torture knowing they were there, sitting and waiting to be eaten. I knew I either had to flush them, give them away or take them, so of course I took them.


Anyhow, I was a little off in my calculation of when I took my first sub after my last oxy! It was actually about 10 hours in between... But, I still think you will be fine. Everyone is different, of course, but I think you'll be okay. If it were me and I took my last oxy at noon, I would take my first sub (if I were starting to feel shitty) before I went to bed... around 10:00 or so...


I had my two week followup appointment with the Sub doctor today and I have to tell you, she was very kind.. I thought FOR SURE she would drop my dose, regardless of the stress I'm under. I didn't even have to ask her not to drop the dose! I told her what I was going through at work and the stress of all the holidays, and she simply said, "Okay, I don't want to stress you out any further and risk you going back to the oxys, so I'm not going to drop your dose until after the first of the year."
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Aaaaaaand.... This was my seventh visit to her and she has yet to give me a UA. I don't know what compels her to test some people and not others (one poor guy is tested EVERY VISIT!), but whatever it is, I don't seem to fall under her criteria or method of random UA's. Therefore, I'm going to start smoking pot. This will lessen my need for so much Sub, and I can hoard them away like a little squirrel and save them up for rainy days or whatever.

Watch... she'll give me a UA on my next visit and I'll fail miserably... no amount of swearing on the life of my husband will convince her that I JUST STARTED... she'll assume I've been doing it all along. Meh... Like I said, I'll simply tell her, "you never told me I couldn't smoke pot....." ***twirls hair, looks all innocent and shocked***
 
@PurpleLibra - I knew she would have no problem waiting on decreasing your dose. Glad to hear it.
With the pot though, especially if she never said you couldn't smoke it, i wouldn't stress over it. My psychiatrist gave me a contract on my first day - I told him honestly that i couldn't sign it because I wasn't ready to stop smoking weed, and that was in the contract. He said Okay, thanks for your honesty we'll leave that for another time. (I ended up never hearing about the thing or being asked to sign it again for the 9-10 months i was going to this guy lol.

I was Always honest with what drugs would come up in my UA, it was usually only pot but if there was something else i would tell him, whether or not i was being tested since usually he asked me before giving the test. I never did any opiates within a week of my appointment though, since that's what i was there for and that was the only thing he Really cared about - as long as i wasn't over doing anything else anyway.

Eventually i built a level of trust with him and I would tell him if i got tested then i would come up for pot and coke - and he wouldn't test me. I went months without getting tested, even though he knew i would have at least pot in me.
I would actually tell him about drugs i did during the month like rolls and ketamine and stuff that would have had no chance of coming up in a test. Honesty goes a LONG way with bupe doctors in my opinion/experience - but i had a very talented and experienced bupe doc who specialized in addiction, so others might not be so good.
 
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@ Caseface - I was pretty confident she wouldn't drop me, too... but I'm the type that if there is nothing to worry about, then I CREATE shit to worry/stress over. Hence my massive addiction to Xanax...

You know, I have always been honest with my doctor, too. She asked me upon my initial appointment what all I was taking/using and I told her..... Roxicets, Xanax and the occasional Soma. She gave me the initial UA and knew I wasn't lying. I couldn't smoke pot while I was on the Roxicets because the Roxi doc was adamant that he would not prescribe me Roxi's if I was smoking pot. So, I was clean as a whistle when I started out with the Sub doctor, having not smoked pot in over two years! Anyhoo, I'm thinking the reason why she hasn't given me another UA is because nothing else (besides what I said I was taking) came up in my urine, so maybe she assumes I'm an honest person and that if I wasn't smoking pot then, why would I pick it up now? Also, I agree that honesty and Bupe doctors goes a long way... and I, too, have an experienced doctor who specializes in addiction.... she seems to be pretty cool, so I honestly don't think she will give me a UA, and if she does I'll admit to the pot smoking.... I don't know if she'll be cool with it, but I seriously doubt she'll kick me out of the program. I don't know... I'm just theorizing here, but I honestly think she's an OK doc. I'm just so used to those piece of shit pill mill docs that I'm skeptical of all of them. I have become friendly with a girl who I started my program with and I hadn't seen her during my last couple of appointments. Turns out she relapsed. BAD. Anyhoo, she wasn't kicked out... Doc just started all over again with her. So yeah... Sub doc = pretty cool.
 
If this hasn't already been said I am sorry because I did not read the whole post.

A good way to prevent precipitated withdrawals from Subs is to take them a little at a time. If you normally take 8mg, start with a piece about an 8th of the pill. If you feel fine then take another. Keep going until you reach you full strength.

The amount of Sub you take determines how long you have to wait to take them after taking an opiate. Look at the half life times of the drug on Wiki and don't try taking any Subs until that time arrives.

If you do happen to take to much Sub and you get precipitated withdrawals, don't worry it won't last like the usual withdrawal. It may be worse, but it subsides in about 30 minutes.

The amount of Sub you take also determines when you can take another opiate so that you feel the affect. You can override the Sub but you have to take at least twice as much as you would without it and this can be dangerous and not recommended. A good chart to go by is wait at least 24 hours for every 2mg of Sub you take. It is better to wait as long as you can because if you didn't wait enough, you just wasted the drug.
 
SkagKush! Thank you so much for introducing me to the pill crusher. I got one at Walgreens (thanks to caseface too for telling me where to get one) and I cannot tell you how much love I have for this little thing! It's absolutely PERFECT! I don't know how yours is designed SkagKush, but it sounds like we got the same one. It has a spot in the bottom with four compartments to store pills, the top part is a pill cutter, but you can remove that and replace it with just a lid. The middle part of the contraption crushes and stores the pill residue, and the top compartment is just big enough for me to store my little snorting straw in, albeit slightly bended.

This is simply awesome! It fits right in my purse (in my makeup bag in my purse, even) and is convenient as all hell. My husband is like, "You'd think it was Christmas and you were 8 years old and just got the best toy ever...."

Yeah, so? I'm easily amused! Hee!

Thanks again, guys!
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Do you honestly think pill companies pay doctors based on how many patients they say? I really can't tell if you're serious or (for lack of a nicer word) ignorant.

Okay.... This post has been bugging me because a) I do not like being called ignorant and b) I never said ANYTHING about PILL COMPANIES paying doctors based on how many patients they see. Hence my confusion.

You quoted part of post number 59 in this thread, yet after reviewing the entire post, I still couldn't find where I had stated anything about pill companies paying doctors based on the patients that they see. However, I do believe I figured out the discrepancy.

In my edit, I stated that PILL MILLS pay doctors based on how many patients they see. When I said "pill mills" I was referring to the many pain clinics in the South Florida area. I was never suggesting, nor would I ever be so naive as to believe that pharmaceutical companies pay doctors based on the quantity of patients seen. THAT would be an asinine assumption.

However, it is a known fact that the pain clinics, a.k.a. "pill mills" in South Florida are primarily owned and operated by non-physicians. These pain clinics.... again, commonly known as pill mills, hire doctors to work for them and see as many people as possible on any given day. There are countless ads in the jobs sections of the classifieds looking for doctors. You can always tell when there is a pain clinic/pill mill looking to hire a doctor because it always states in the advertisement something to the effect of, "pay based on a per patient basis."

There was an expose in the Miami Herald that stated these doctors see upwards of 100 patients a day, getting paid an average of $100 per patient. It is common knowledge down here that doctors rarely own the pain clinics to which they work for. That's part of the problem with all the pain management/pill mills in this area. Convicted felons can open up a pain clinic, hire a doctor, and within their first year make over a million dollars. Hell, given enough start-up capital, I could do the same damn thing. The doctor's who work there are mere employees. Their names are not anywhere to be found except on the prescriptions they write. The pain clinics/pill mills do not invest in the doctor's names on any of their ads or literature because these doctors often jump from clinic to clinic... probably in hopes that they stay under the radar and the Feds don't start looking into their practices.

Since I was obviously confused in the beginning as to what you were talking about in the above referenced post, I hope I have figured it out and clarified my statement.... to which I stand by.

Regards,

Lib

PS. Other nice words that you could have used in place of ignorant are: Inexperienced, uninformed and unaware....... MUCH NICER! Jus' so you know.... ;)
 
Glad your enjoying it. =D

Immensely! As I said, I am easily amused! I had to cut a pill into quarters, pulverize a second one, put one each in the four compartments, shorten my snortie straw to fit at the top, and I rounded one end... cutting with tiny scissors... to make a little scoop like thingie at the end of. I ruined 5-6 straws getting it right, but now it's perfect and it fits in the top compartment really nicely. I didn't want to bend the straw to make it fit for fear it would tear. This way I'm safe. I've been playing with the thing all day!

I wish it came in something a little more elegant than that crayola blue, though. A nice silver one would be nice. Or something a little more ornate..... I'm sure there are some out there on the net, but right now I'm happy with my crayola blue one.

Hee!
 
Jesus - No wonder there is such a high number of pill mills, they make BANK for not accepting insurance.


And yeah i was excited as well when i first got my pill crusher, this chick i used to do dope/OC with who worked at a pharmacy stole it for me. It had a compartment on top for pills and such. Didn't cut pills though, just pulverized them.
 
As of today, I'm one month clean of Suboxone. :D The PAWS also seem to be letting up a bit. The number one thing that's kept me going is exercise. Walking, running, free-weights, cardio - IMO exercise is a true 'miracle drug'.



*high five!* today is week 3 for me and I've definitely started feeling human again! L-tyrosine and B-stress vitamins every day have really helped me this week, gave me energy so I could exercise which then in turn made me feel even better! :)

So happy to be through the worst. Fuck suboxone withdrawals but hey I jumped off at 4mg, no tapering at all and I survived it. I'm pretty damn proud.
 
Clearly you're more of a man than I am, I'm at .5mgs daily and still bitching about how i haven't stabilized yet, let alone willing to jump off haha.

Glad to hear it though, great job. How long were you on for?
 
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