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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

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Can you clarify something for me? Vomiting from 'withdrawals' is something I am not familiar with; why are you vomiting?

I'd understand if this is your first time on Subutex and they gave you too high a dose. They put me on 8mg first off, I vomited daily for ages until I got reduced down to 6mg straight away then it stopped.

Perhaps you are just on too high a dose?
 
^ vomiting happens in opiate or opiod WD for many reasons.....

nausea can cause this...

or you stomach needs to relieve it self, like the runs.....

your stomach can be very bad, wont hold down anything.....and im sure there is plenty more reasons......but ya, it not uncommon........

1mg again today, went back to 1mg after my fun on friday....which has seemed to work well, but im hung over as fuck.....and feeling iffy, so i just smoked a bowl....
 
Thanks for the help, forgot to mention i am also taking vitamins. I am really not looking forward to this last stretch even though its been my goal for half a year. Anyone else regret not sticking out the heroin withdrawals? My 9 months heroin addiction has turns into a 27 month opioid dependence and W/Ds LONG after the fact. Oh well, no changing that now. Im just glad i left new jersey or i would be buying dope during W/D for sure. I've got no connects out here, and no drivers license. Its awesome, best decision i have ever made.
 
^I agree that if you don't taper bupe and use something like kratom or DHC at the end, it may make your situation a bit harder than just doing a rapid detox off of heroin or whatever potent opiate. Suboxone is really best used as a maintenance drug IMO, and if you don't want to quit the opiate addiction right away. Coming off of Suboxone is definitely not easy, though I really think that either kratom or DHC can make coming off Suboxone much, much easier for literally anyone.
 
i know what Kratom is, but whats DHC stand for?

Edit - never mind it came to me, dihydrocodeine correct?


And im gonna order up some Kratom fairly soon since i am getting down pretty low with my dose. Im only planning on using it at night to help go to sleep, will this be effective?
 
^Yes, it is dihydrocodeine...

Kratom doesn't last too terribly long, so I'd recommend at least a morning and night dose. Otherwise, you will be experiencing w/d for a good part of each day.
 
Ok thanks. Is it important to measure a dose of kratom so i don't risk being counter productive or is it such a weak opioid that smoking a "pinch" is relatively safe in terms of not being a set back?
 
^ i will also be getting kratom when the time is due....lucky for me i just go to the urban shaman (downtown).....

also i believe that you can use kratom on top of bupe???
 
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I think I just discovered a (very) small trick for anyone still in the 'upchuck' phase of withdrawals...

I was at the supermarket and saw this shit on special called 'Mintec for IBS'. It's active ingredient is peppermint oil and it claims to relieve abdominal pain, bloating, cramping, discomfort and wind.

Well, not only did it utterly fail to relieve any of those symptoms for me, I believe it caused me to throw up a couple of hours after I took it. However, instead of the usual disgusting acidic bile taste, my puke tasted almost exactly like peppermint (I'm 100% serious).

I'm pretty sure peppermint oil or pills containing it are pretty readily available so here's a tip: if you are puking constantly from withdrawal, take some of this shit and I guarantee the experience will be much more tolerable.

On the other hand, a bit dissapointed I puked since I thought I was over that stage. I did eat the biggest meal I've had since I stopped taking Suboxone so maybe it was more down to that.
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Or just get Immodium and all your symptoms go away...
 
Pegasus said:
^Yes, it is dihydrocodeine...

Kratom doesn't last too terribly long, so I'd recommend at least a morning and night dose. Otherwise, you will be experiencing w/d for a good part of each day.
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Is the best way to take Kratom orally, no matter if extract, leaves, etc?

Also, would you, or any other users, suggest Kratom extract, Kratom isolate, or just the crushed leaf?
 
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^ i have several times, mostly in WD......

down at BCMP (british columbia marijuana party), i can get all sorts of extracts.....

i have never tried the full spec, but have heard here at BL that it is fantastic......

and welcome back bro! hope your doing well......
 
caseface99 said:
Ok thanks. Is it important to measure a dose of kratom so i don't risk being counter productive or is it such a weak opioid that smoking a "pinch" is relatively safe in terms of not being a set back?
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You don't want to smoke it, you'll want to ingest it in capsules or tea. I'd start with around 6 grams of micronized leaf and maybe build up a gram or two if necessary (if taking the leaf powder; tea is less efficient and you will need more to get the same effects). I personally take about 7.5 grams at a time in 00 or 000 size capsules. It is a fair amount of leaf powder, but the leaves have many alkaloids that are not present in the same quantities in the extracts and so the leaves are considered the way to go by most. Some people find the extracts to work well, but in addition to the questionable alkaloid content, the extracts are far more expensive and addicting, the latter point being a major concern when you are trying to break an opiate addiction.

Kratom will upset your stomach if you take too much, and this is really what you need to worry about when dosing. That is why I recommend to start at around 6 grams and then titrate your dose to the best level for you.

You don't have to be too exact with the dose... My daily dose fluctuates as I just count the number of capsules that I take, and the capsules are definitely not all the same size.
 
Didn't get a chance to read over the other posts, but will do that after I type mine.

So I'm plenty tolerant to subs, and to kpins. I take around ~75-90 of them in about a week, and am still functional. It has been 3 weeks since I had any benzo's, and I'm not in any withdrawals, feel fine, etc, etc/

So yesterday my buddy and I go to get some pins, I had taken 2mg of sub earlier that day, and take 2mg more before we go.

Side note: I had been sick for the past few days (not drug w/d sick, but normal germ sick).
Unless you want to read whole thing, feel free to ignore this part
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Anyways, first thing that should've alerted me o something being wrong was I was in a store and I had one of those time skip moments. It's hard to explain, but for those who do drugs (duh bluelight), it's lets say someone throws a ball at you, you see the ball in his hand, and next thing its smacking you. The in between moment was non existant.

I was in a store flicking something off a shelf to catch, I flick, next thing I know I'm halfway prone to the ground catching the thing, with no middle portion.

Anyways, back to story.

I had gotten 5 x 1mg kpins for myself, which is low considering to what I normally get.

Since I'm probably rambling, end of story....
I end up getting retarded, although it takes a while for it to fully kick in. I had to go out later that night to get my buddy some dope, don't really remember that, get home, don't remember that, woke up 26 hours later! Like an hour ago.

During this time I was jammed out of my mind. 4mgs of suboxone and 5mg of klonopin. Additionally I have massive black holes in my memory

Just saying, if you get yourself down to low levels of bupe, atleast where I am at ~2mg per day, you're liable to get extreamly fucked up off some benzos.
 
Taking large amounts of benzos is liable to get you fucked up in any situation. And will account for all of your memory loss.


Also, about the kratom i was just wondering about the leaves because for a second i thought you were talking about 7.5 grams of extract, so i was like fuck where am i going to get that kind of money. So thank goodness you were in fact talking leaf. Thanks for the help. 00-000 gel tabs are available at most drug stores correct?
 
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