Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

[Pegasus]

Nib, it sounds to me like you're going through PAWS to a degree. Have you considered this?

 

[Znegative]

chi.christina,
are you attempting to I.M a whole 8 mg pill at once? when using I.M/I.V, you dont need to use NEARLY that much if you're used to sublingual. You should check out the threads on bio-availability.
Anyway, I have never I.M'd before, but I know that even if I miss about 1cc of solution (suboxone) it will hurt, sometimes swell, and this can last for a couple of days. I imagine that if your shooting 8 mg, it would be much more. For reasons I cant remember at the moment, I'm pretty sure that suboxone is an especially bad pill to I.M, or miss, if you're not micron filtering. Even if you're micron filtering, I doubt that it's a good idea to I.M it, but like you said, you'll do what you want to do.

 

[needlejuice]

damn my friends around here have been getting opanas and they all have bupe tolerances and say that 10mg iv is like the perfect dose. so i can see how u could be doing 40-50mg a day of that shite. i would be too. but man u should really try to taper with the opana before u go back on the bupe if at all possible because youve outpowered the bupe and i hope you dont have any ill effects. best of luck mate

 

[Znegative]

yeah man, last night I finished my last opana. 10 mg is more than enough to start off with, even if your shooting 1 mg a day, I'd still start off with 2.5 mg. That's what I did, got me high, but by the end of the day, I was shooting 5 mg. The thing about oxymorphone is that it's a pretty short lasting high, so you have to dose frequently, and if your using it in place of an I.V bupe habit, your going to be using it just as often, if not more than you would bupe, but you'll be pushing your dosages too, because you want to get higher. I wish I had fully detoxed off suboxone first, because I think I could have made these opana's last longer.

Anyway, I stupidly suffered through precipitated withdrawal last night. In the middle of the night I woke up in cold sweats, and decided, fuck it, I'll take 2 mg of suboxone now (sublingual). I knew it was early to be doing that, but I figured that it would be better to risk precipitated withdrawals then, rather than later (the next morning I was meant to go with my cousins to a museum, so it would suck to be bugging out during that.) Part of me also thought I'd be fine, despite many peoples warnings. Anyway, did the two mg, and for about 20 minutes, things seemed fine. The only weird thing was that I didn't feel the sub AT ALL, which I at the time attributed to an increase in tolerance. Then after 25 minutes, I started to feel really gross, really feverish. If I thought I was sweating before, well than I was just being a little bitch. I had my ac blasting on me, and I felt like I was burning up like i was in a sauna! sweat was pouring off every inch of me, especially the back of my knees (for some reason that bothers me the most) I just curled up in a ball for hours, hoping I would fall asleep. I eventually just passed out, and my cousins found me in a crumpled up fetal position. I was drenched with sweat, hair all fucked up, and scratch marks everywhere. what a fucking mess!

 

[Georgie25]

So I'm a brand new Bluelighter as you can see, and I'm posting for the very first time, so I hope no one rips me a new asshole if this is posted in the wrong place or already covered somewhere. I'm an opiate experienced person with a script for suboxone. I've tried to fuck with the pills as many ways as possible, and have some questions for other sub/bupe users. I've heard and know from experience that you can IV suboxone, and I've tried it with great results.

Now here's my problem. I'm a fatty fat fat person and have a REALLY hard time finding a vein. I've exhausted most of them back in my heroin days, and the ones I can hit usually are only good for one shot or two. In my experience suboxone takes a lot of water to get it to draw into the needle, so an 8mg pill is the equivalent of at least 5-8 shots in a 1ml syringe. So recently I've turned to IM. I've heard "never IM pills" but I'm gonna do what I'm gonna do. I used a 1/2 in needle and IMed into my upper arm the 5-8 shots, rotating sites on my upper arm. I got high. The next day the sites were very sore, and over the next few days they swelled up, then turned bruised, then hardened into lumps. A few weeks later, those lumps are still there.

Does anyone know what this is? Has anyone heard of this or had similar problem? Is it possible that the 1/2 in needle wasn't long enough and I just deposited the sub in my arm fat? The lumps seem to be shrinking and re-absorbing, should I just ride it out or should I see a doctor to have them excised? Please help the newbie!

This just has bad idea written all over it. It's bad enough missing your vein when trying to shoot suboxone but i can imagine it would be worse shooting into a muscle and having that suboxone pretty much sitting there and not absorbing very well. Those hard lumps you have are most likely abscesses and you may need to go to the hospital to them drained if they don't go away, esp since you've had them for weeks. I think it may also be possible you didn't get the shots into your muscle and just skin popped it as well. Idk why you are using so much water either. When I do my 2mg suboxone shots it is easily filtered through 20-30units of water, so an 8mg tab shouldnt need more than 1cc of water.

Don't do this again!

 

[needlejuice]

question... before filtering suboxone for iv use. do you think it would be best to use less or more water to remove filler. i was wondering if i used less water (since 16mg or w/e of sub can dissolve in 1cc) if it would filter out more of the goo? i used this one filter i have twice and i filtered 1mg total out of it and all this nasty gooey powdery shit fell out of the filter afterwards. im not using microns either ive just been stuffing cottons and coffee filter in an empty syringe to filter thru/ judging by the cloudiness of the solution before/after filtering id say this method removes prob almost 4x as much as regular cotton ball. remember to stuff a regular cotton at the bottom if u try this because if u put coffee filter in first it will clog your filter.

 

[Georgie25]

question... before filtering suboxone for iv use. do you think it would be best to use less or more water to remove filler. i was wondering if i used less water (since 16mg or w/e of sub can dissolve in 1cc) if it would filter out more of the goo? i used this one filter i have twice and i filtered 1mg total out of it and all this nasty gooey powdery shit fell out of the filter afterwards. im not using microns either ive just been stuffing cottons and coffee filter in an empty syringe to filter thru/ judging by the cloudiness of the solution before/after filtering id say this method removes prob almost 4x as much as regular cotton ball. remember to stuff a regular cotton at the bottom if u try this because if u put coffee filter in first it will clog your filter.

How much are you tryin to shoot? I only use 20-30 units for a 2mg shot and it filters nice and clear with cotton.

 

[hellocatastrophe]

So I'm a brand new Bluelighter as you can see, and I'm posting for the very first time, so I hope no one rips me a new asshole if this is posted in the wrong place or already covered somewhere. I'm an opiate experienced person with a script for suboxone. I've tried to fuck with the pills as many ways as possible, and have some questions for other sub/bupe users. I've heard and know from experience that you can IV suboxone, and I've tried it with great results.

Now here's my problem. I'm a fatty fat fat person and have a REALLY hard time finding a vein. I've exhausted most of them back in my heroin days, and the ones I can hit usually are only good for one shot or two. In my experience suboxone takes a lot of water to get it to draw into the needle, so an 8mg pill is the equivalent of at least 5-8 shots in a 1ml syringe. So recently I've turned to IM. I've heard "never IM pills" but I'm gonna do what I'm gonna do. I used a 1/2 in needle and IMed into my upper arm the 5-8 shots, rotating sites on my upper arm. I got high. The next day the sites were very sore, and over the next few days they swelled up, then turned bruised, then hardened into lumps. A few weeks later, those lumps are still there.

Does anyone know what this is? Has anyone heard of this or had similar problem? Is it possible that the 1/2 in needle wasn't long enough and I just deposited the sub in my arm fat? The lumps seem to be shrinking and re-absorbing, should I just ride it out or should I see a doctor to have them excised? Please help the newbie!

soooo, basically we're going to see nasty pictures of your arm in the 'case studies' thread in the near future. speaking of the 'case studies' thread- you should check it out. there's several posts in there about people who tried to IM and skin pop suboxone and ended up with awful abscesses, gangrene, and amputated limbs.

IMing pills is a terrible idea to begin with. i REALLY hope for your benefit that you are atleast using good filtering guidelines (with a wheel/micron filter), as suboxone is mostly ALL filler. however, by the sound of it- you didn't have good filtering habits in your IV heroin days (otherwise your veins would be in decent condition), so you probably don't now either. as some have already said- that amount of suboxone is huge when speaking in terms of injection. the amount of water involved was also more than what should have been needed//used. you are likely overdoing it and would also have better results from smaller amounts of both suboxone and water.

anyway, back on topic- i'm in the medical field and have to urge you to seek medical attention. i work more specifically in the surgical field in the OR and can't even begin to tell you some of the nasty shit i've seen removed from extremities. who knows what those lumps are harboring. the longer they are there, the worse it's going to get. unless they miraculously disappear over night, go to urgent care tomorrow. they may even be able to drain them right there.

pleeeeaaaase use a different method//roa next time. it's really not worth losing your arm over. read around bluelight too- there's literally TONS of information on suboxone and the many methods of using it. hope all turns out okay for you and please play safer in the future!

 

[Pegasus]

Chi Christina, please heed the advice being given to you... We are open minded people here, and wouldn't be telling you this if it wasn't extremely dangerous! Check out the IV technique link in my signature, maybe it will have tips that can help you (warming the area to bring veins to the surface, using gravity to pull extra blood into your limb, etc)... If you can't do that, I recommend just snorting the bupe since bupe doesn't give you a rush, especially if it isn't going directly into your vein. It absorbs really well through the nasal membranes and I suspect you will get similar effects from a dose that is barely higher. It is much more efficient and gives stronger effects when snorted compared to taken sublingually.

Please be careful, you definitely don't want to get a gangrenous limb!

 

[qwe]

didn't want to start a thread for this q, does anyone know off hand if cimetidine/tagamet hinders metabolism of clonidine? loperamide? zolpidem?

(sorta related to suboxone since it's related to my PAWS)

 

[Bojangles69]

Can anyone tell me jumping off around .6-.75 mg suboxone around an ESTIMATE of how many gms pods would hold me over?
I'm more worried about overshooting tbo than undershooting so I'll start low but I'm wondering if its possible a low amound like 10gms pods would work.. or does that sound too weak?

 

[qwe]

Can anyone tell me jumping off around .6-.75 mg suboxone around an ESTIMATE of how many gms pods would hold me over?
I'm more worried about overshooting tbo than undershooting so I'll start low but I'm wondering if its possible a low amound like 10gms pods would work.. or does that sound too weak?

here's a rough comparison from my exp. 2 tablespoons of poppy powder = 20mg vicodin, with much longer duration

 

[Paulination]

<No asking for sources, please. -BW> (Rephrased question: Please tell me what poppy powder is...) ive always wanted to try pure opium or maybe landanaum.

Hey christina I hope you get better, I undersstand the need of a good feeling.

oh hey if you guys use the ethanol/suboxone method what percentage do u use? i Use 95% volkov.

 

[qwe]

oh seeds. poppies are semilegal like seed. sorry i never tried the seeds except when out of pods, and in those cases i didn't weigh them or anything (just tried to take enough to get to the point pods got me, but they wouldnt't)

 

[Nib]

Nib, it sounds to me like you're going through PAWS to a degree. Have you considered this?

Well I did think about that, but I didn't think PAWS would actually cause physical w/d symptoms. I figured I would have depression/anxiety for a little while after, being that I have it normally and opiate w/d just makes it worse, but it really just feels like I still have physical w/d. Once my knees start kicking and aching though, I just have to take the Kratom.

oh seeds. poppies are semilegal like seed. sorry i never tried the seeds except when out of pods, and in those cases i didn't weigh them or anything (just tried to take enough to get to the point pods got me, but they wouldnt't)

I think the reason for that is that the seeds that actually get you high come from fresh pods, so the opium coats them before it all gets absorbed back into the pods.

 

[JamtasticX]

My Dr gave me 3 weeks of scripts instead of 2, hopefully it stays that way, but he messed up. He gave me 156mg of sub instead of 210. He called in the other 56, but I have to wait until the first 2 weeks are up, then pick them up, costing me the price of another script, when I should only have payed for 1 script not 2.

He also gave me 53mg of Klonopin, and less than 6 days later, all that remain are 6, kept away until 2 weeks before my next apt. Ugh, I'm pissed about that.

Also, I have no sub remaining at this time. Saturday I should be getting hydroxyzine, gabapentin, and 7 more 8mg subs. Plus I start getting paid every Thursday, so things will def be better.

 

[qwe]

>>Well I did think about that, but I didn't think PAWS would actually cause physical w/d symptoms. I figured I would have depression/anxiety for a little while after, being that I have it normally and opiate w/d just makes it worse, but it really just feels like I still have physical w/d. Once my knees start kicking and aching though, I just have to take the Kratom>>

doesnt kratom effect opiate receptors in some way? if so you'll feel more w/d the more you take the kratom very quickly, and be back on an opiate habit, albeit a weaker one

waiting till paws is over to take opiates is key. once or twice may not hurt, if you have the willpower to not start a binge

and yeah, paws will have its ups and downs. i think i'm particularly sensitive to w/d (when i had no tolerance and took pods, they'd last till almost 3 maybe 3 days, then on day 3 or 4 or 5 i'd get rebound... from just one dose, when i was using rather infrequently, say 2-4x a month) i get withdrawal sensations in paws. klonopin helps, but that means i sorta went through my script a little too fast, shit

 

[PhrostByte]

I'm pissed. Ok, my last dose of bupe was about 73 hours ago... that was one day where I did about a total of 16mg (prior to this day, I hadn't touched bupe in about a month or so).

Here's what I did:

4pm or so I did about 4mg.. I wasn't well at all.
8pm or so I did another 4mg, still not well.
10pm another 4mg... now I'm feeling somewhat stable but could be better, if you know what I mean.
so just after midnight.. I take my last 4mg, at this point I'm feeling ok.

the next day, I get that call from a friend who wants to hook SWIsM up. This changes my whole mindset and makes me want to hop back onto the wagon just for the weekend... so, I kind of figure nothing would come of it... but I let my boy hook me up anyway. As expected.. nothing happens.

I figured that by yesterday I should be good to go... I go through about half a g and nothing... as you can imagine... I was thoroughly pissed. Despite this, I figure by today I should DEFINITELY be good to go and it would be a nice way to cap off the weekend before I go back on the bupes in time for work Monday.

So here I am... coming up on 73 hours... coming up on almost a gram up my nose... and... nothing.... I'M NOT FUCKING HIGH AT ALL.. WHAT THE FUCK! WHY IS THIS HAPPENING! IS THE HIGHER POWER THAT N.A. ALWAYS TALKS ABOUT PUNISHING ME? I just wanted to catch a harmless little nod this Sunday afternoon... instead... I burned a serious hole in my pocket... I hate my slow fucking metabolism... my eyes are only now starting to get pinned... and I feel nothing, THIS SUCKS THIS SUCKS THIS SUCKS.

 

[Znegative]

So I did something rash today, in a fit of despair and self pity. I threw out my entire suboxone script, save for probably 8mg or so that are lying around my room in different stash area's.
Last friday I made a poor transition back to sub after a weeklong binge on opana, and it's been pretty rough. I've had to take 16 mg of sub (all different routes of administration, havn't even been paying attention, though today I mostly I.V'd) to keep me from feeling shitty, and I've just been super depressed and angry, just like I expected I'd be.
I decided today that I did not want to get back on suboxone for maintenance again, and that I'd rather just ride these withdrawals out. I sort of made this plan up when I was taking the opana, but it was easy to bullshit myself that I could do it then, cause I was sky high. Anyway, today I got sick of it and knew that if I had all this suboxone lying around, that I was just going to keep taking it. I knew that even if I again tapered myself down to .6 mg a day, that I would just continue at that dose again, switch over to a full agonist at some point in the future, and then start the whole process over again of getting stable, tapering, and relapsing.
so I threw it all out. Probably not the smartest idea, and yes I could have sold them, but I didn't, and now I have 8 mg to taper with. am I upset? at the moment, no, but I just did a 2 mg shot, so I'm feeling alright. If possible, I'm just going to try and get a little klonopin, maybe some kratom and to try and ride this out to the best of my ability.

 

[PendulumAM]

I just want to share something dumb I did...I shot bupe without a micron filter or anything. I was on it for a few weeks, then was able to get oxycodone 15's for a week, and now cant anymore. so the day I ran out, I dissolved a 2 mg chunk of subs in water and shot it, only filtering with a cotton (I figured "I'm only gonna do it this once so it doesn't matter if its not micron filtered"). and the dumb thing was that I had done half an oxy 15 2 hours ago that morning and a bunch of them last night. so you would think I would go into precipitated withdrawals but i've never had that problem with subs so I did it anyway. right afterwards I tasted the sub in my throat and felt really cold and weird. I went and smoked a cig, hoping that feeling went away. it just felt weird. then a half hour later, when I was driving to work, I felt fine. i went on to work for 7 hours and had no problems. but I definately wont do it again.