Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

[Paulination]

thats true indeed ive been without subs for a few days a cuple times and once you get some its like "Oh yeah thats why i was taking suboxone " i took 3mg of ativan a couple days ago, i havent took them for a few months now really potentiated the suboxone. are you gonna get any subs soon jamastic? H is so short acting I hope you get subs soon.

 

[JamtasticX]

thats true indeed ive been without subs for a few days a cuple times and once you get some its like "Oh yeah thats why i was taking suboxone " i took 3mg of ativan a couple days ago, i havent took them for a few months now really potentiated the suboxone. are you gonna get any subs soon jamastic? H is so short acting I hope you get subs soon.

Should be getting 280mg140 of sub and 35mg of KPin this afternoon. The only good thing about not having them was the relief from them when I did them, but I'm usually for staying good everyday instead of suffering for a better reward :

Edit: see post below for clarification

 

[qwe]

suffering then getting relief will deepen the "addiction hole". i think withdrawal is where a lot of addictive tendencies come from, as that's where you become attached and realize how much a part of you it needs to be for you to function and feel human

 

[Paulination]

Should be getting 280mg of sub and 35mg of KPin this afternoon. The only good thing about not having them was the relief from them when I did them, but I'm usually for staying good everyday instead of suffering for a better reward

true that, im usually ok for about 3 days if i dont take my suboxone then it turns into one of those dope sick movies after the 4th day. 280 mg? if you get 280 mg pills then hook me up jk that would be one huge sublingual pill, prolly the size of a donut

 

[qwe]

he means a script i assume. 8mg x 35 = 280mg. odd that it's 35 pills rather than 30

 

[Znegative]

i have a question. I stopped taking my suboxone last friday, and started banging opana instead (smart right?). I was on .5 mg of suboxone. I can't tell now if the withdrawls I get after certain amount of hours without dosing is from the suboxone or if I'm already addicted to the opana. Is it possible that it could be both? I I.V about 35 mg of opana/day for 5 days now. when I wake up now I feel a lot sicker than I did before I started doing this.

 

[qwe]

IV means it lasts less long. you're experiencing interwithdrawal due to opiate dependence. the dependence doesnt care which opiate it is, if you switch opiates thatll keep you out of withdrawal, but if you switch from a long acting suboxone to short acting IV opana then your body will be used to the longer acting drug and it'll feel shitty when the shorter lasting drug wears out

the question you asked doesnt have an answer because the question itself is wrong. you're not already addicted to opana. neither are the withdrawals from suboxone. the dependence is on *opiates* and the withdrawal is from lack of *opiates*, and the addiction is to *opiates*

 

[JamtasticX]

true that, im usually ok for about 3 days if i dont take my suboxone then it turns into one of those dope sick movies after the 4th day. 280 mg? if you get 280 mg pills then hook me up jk that would be one huge sublingual pill, prolly the size of a donut

I meant to say 140mg. I usually go every 2 weeks, and get 10 a day. 14x10=140. And damn a 280mg suboxone tablet, would be hell. I can't stand them sublingual anymore, sniffing that much powder would be like sniffing a bag of flower.

IV means it lasts less long. you're experiencing interwithdrawal due to opiate dependence. the dependence doesnt care which opiate it is, if you switch opiates thatll keep you out of withdrawal, but if you switch from a long acting suboxone to short acting IV opana then your body will be used to the longer acting drug and it'll feel shitty when the shorter lasting drug wears out

the question you asked doesnt have an answer because the question itself is wrong. you're not already addicted to opana. neither are the withdrawals from suboxone. the dependence is on *opiates* and the withdrawal is from lack of *opiates*, and the addiction is to *opiates*

QFT


So good news, bad news - I went today and instead of seeing me again in 2 weeks, he has to see me in 3 (good for me, more drugs at once, less visits = more money from work, and maybe he will keep it 3 week intervals). The bad news, is he gave me 3 weeks of suboxone 2mg, 3 x 2.5mg klonopin daily (I'm LOVING this) but he only have me 2 weeks of the suboxone 8. And he's going away in 3 weeks, so I hope I can get him to call in a new 1 week script I can pick up when the 2 weeks should be done. It doesn't really matter because I can get by on the amount given if I have to, and can use dope to supplement it, it's more so annoying so I can keep all my records on point.

Anyway ways, just took 7mg of my klonopin, so things are improving. Full time job with very nice pay, will be able to afford car insurance again and get my prized car back, thigs are def looking up, and although I do still use heroin I atrribute some success to the suboxone program. Ultimately I would rather just be on my Kpins and do sub/heroin on if I wanted to and not be addicted, but until then I guess I can deal. I'm finally starting to see the light and am so happy it's coming

 

[fm1983]

Anyone else's hands and feet sweat a ton while on bupe? Drives me insane.

 

[hellocatastrophe]

3 questions:

1: why does suboxone make me feel jittery/'cracked-out'/ like i've done some kind of stimulant? does this happen to others & how do i counteract this to make it feel more like an opiate/opioid?

2: what's the best way to detox utilizing suboxone? i don't want to replace my oxycodone addiction for a suboxone addiction. my tolerance/daily habit is ~150mg of oxycodone. i'm looking to just get past the oxycodone withdrawals, but avoid any ill-effects from the suboxone.

3: has anyone successfully detoxed/cleaned up from an opiate addiction (with/without suboxone) and been able to go back to using opiates recreationally once-twice a month without falling back into addiction?

thanks in advance!

 

[Znegative]

thanks for the reply qwe, that's sort of what I thought, but I wasn't sure. I guess, what I wanted to know is if my withdrawal is now going to be worse because I've switched to opana, which the answere to I imagine, would be yes, because I've just raised my tolerance really high.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

3 questions:

1: why does suboxone make me feel jittery/'cracked-out'/ like i've done some kind of stimulant? does this happen to others & how do i counteract this to make it feel more like an opiate/opioid?

Because buprenorphine effects other receptors other than the mu-opioid one, and you can counteract this by taking antihistamines or benzos. Or you could try taking less.

2: what's the best way to detox utilizing suboxone? i don't want to replace my oxycodone addiction for a suboxone addiction. my tolerance/daily habit is ~150mg of oxycodone. i'm looking to just get past the oxycodone withdrawals, but avoid any ill-effects from the suboxone.

Start slow but taper when you're ready. Don't take extra Suboxone to get high, just use it as needed to alleviate WD symptoms.

3: has anyone successfully detoxed/cleaned up from an opiate addiction (with/without suboxone) and been able to go back to using opiates recreationally once-twice a month without falling back into addiction?

thanks in advance!

Yes, except I choose not to use opiates anymore.

thanks for the reply qwe, that's sort of what I thought, but I wasn't sure. I guess, what I wanted to know is if my withdrawal is now going to be worse because I've switched to opana, which the answere to I imagine, would be yes, because I've just raised my tolerance really high.

Yeah, I think the worse WD's are because oxymorphone is a full agonist opiate and is very potent at that.

Good luck at switching back if you plan on doing so!

 

[aekunc]

Hello everyone, let me apologize in advance if this is in the wrong place or if this is a stupid question.. I read all the information on the first page and sifted through several more pages but didn't really find exactly the information I was looking for.

Okay, so I recently obtained an 8mg Suboxone, which I have never tried. I take opiates fairly often, maybe every couple of days, sometimes for three or four days in a row or so, but do not consider myself physically addicted. I have never really experienced any withdrawal type symptoms after stopping for any period of time, but do have a bit of a tolerance--I generally take around 50mg of oxycodone to get feeling good, 60-70mg of morphine, just to give you an idea.

What I'm curious about is the "precipitated withdrawal" that I've heard people can experience when using Suboxone. Basically what I want to know is, if you are not actually physically addicted but have used other opiates like oxycodone or morphine recently, say a few hours before taking the suboxone, and have a small tolerance, can it cause precipitated withdrawal or will it just make the effects from the other opiates go away? Should I wait to use the suboxone until I have abstained from using opiates for a few days despite the fact that I am not physically addicted but have a tolerance to other opiates, or would it be okay to take some in the same night?

Thank you!

 

[Nib]

Hello everyone, let me apologize in advance if this is in the wrong place or if this is a stupid question.. I read all the information on the first page and sifted through several more pages but didn't really find exactly the information I was looking for.

Okay, so I recently obtained an 8mg Suboxone, which I have never tried. I take opiates fairly often, maybe every couple of days, sometimes for three or four days in a row or so, but do not consider myself physically addicted. I have never really experienced any withdrawal type symptoms after stopping for any period of time, but do have a bit of a tolerance--I generally take around 50mg of oxycodone to get feeling good, 60-70mg of morphine, just to give you an idea.

What I'm curious about is the "precipitated withdrawal" that I've heard people can experience when using Suboxone. Basically what I want to know is, if you are not actually physically addicted but have used other opiates like oxycodone or morphine recently, say a few hours before taking the suboxone, and have a small tolerance, can it cause precipitated withdrawal or will it just make the effects from the other opiates go away? Should I wait to use the suboxone until I have abstained from using opiates for a few days despite the fact that I am not physically addicted but have a tolerance to other opiates, or would it be okay to take some in the same night?

Thank you!

I would definietely wait if I was you.

 

[Znegative]

^ I 'm with Nib. You're probably somewhat physically addicted, and just don't know it. For some people, withdrawls don't really hit them for a while after there last dose, or they just have mild withdrawls so figure that it's something else. If you're like either of those types, than the bupe WILL send you into precipitated withdrawal. and if you're not physically addicted, it will still tear the other opiates off your receptor sites, which I can't imagine would be pleasant.

 

[qwe]

even if you're not physically addicted, bupe will still replace the other opiates in the receptors and kill the high

1: why does suboxone make me feel jittery/'cracked-out'/ like i've done some kind of stimulant? does this happen to others & how do i counteract this to make it feel more like an opiate/opioid?

sub feels speedy to me too. it may be that your body adjusted to the previous opiate you were using, and you got used to its sedation... then switch to a speedy opiate that has different properties, and it could basically be you(/me) having a rebound or w/d effect because of the switch. so you get through some of your previous opiate w/d symptoms while taking the suboxone, then once your body fully adjusts to suboxone and you can sleep fine on it, that's when you start your suboxone taper

 

[aekunc]

Thanks for the replies guys, they were quite helpful. Needless to say I think I will hold off on taking this for a bit, if I even end up taking it at all.

 

[qwe]

^ if you have no tolerance, 1mg (an eighth of your pill) will get you opiate-fucked. don't underestimate it if you do take it

 

[Znegative]

yeah, i remember doing 4 mg after a few days of light heroin use.that was actually a GREAT high! i wish so bad that suboxone didn't have a ceiling effect.

I've been on a five day binge of opana, and plan on going back on suboxone on friday. I want to do my last shot of the oxy before bed tomorow, and then when I wake up, take my suboxone. Will this be enough time? Opana is a short acting opiate, and I wake up in withdrawal, so I'm hoping that I'll be good to go then. Feedback would be appreciated.

oh, and I also am planning to take an initial dose of 2 mg insufflated, and work my way up from there if need be. I've been using about 40- 50 mg of the oxymorphone a day (I.V), and in the last few days, I've been doing ten milligram shots. I looked up on a conversion chart that 10 mg I.V oxymorphone is about 4 mg suboxone. does this sound accurate? Like I said above, I want to start off at two milligrams, but perhaps it's wishfull thinking to believe that that will do the trick.

 

[fm1983]

yeah, i remember doing 4 mg after a few days of light heroin use.that was actually a GREAT high! i wish so bad that suboxone didn't have a ceiling effect.

I've been on a five day binge of opana, and plan on going back on suboxone on friday. I want to do my last shot of the oxy before bed tomorow, and then when I wake up, take my suboxone. Will this be enough time? Opana is a short acting opiate, and I wake up in withdrawal, so I'm hoping that I'll be good to go then. Feedback would be appreciated.

oh, and I also am planning to take an initial dose of 2 mg insufflated, and work my way up from there if need be. I've been using about 40- 50 mg of the oxymorphone a day (I.V), and in the last few days, I've been doing ten milligram shots. I looked up on a conversion chart that 10 mg I.V oxymorphone is about 4 mg suboxone. does this sound accurate? Like I said above, I want to start off at two milligrams, but perhaps it's wishfull thinking to believe that that will do the trick.

I don't know if that will be enough time to avoid precip w/d, however, any precip you do get will be quite mild so I wouldn't worry. I would give yourself a full 24hrs or so. I just came off a week oxy binge yesterday and gave myself 24hrs before dosing my subs and I was in the clear.

Also, 2mg is a good start to get back onto subs. I think you may be able to manage. Usually after I binge, the day I start subs, I dose a little higher than normal, and then cut back immensely. After my recent binge, day 1 I used 3mg of subs, and day 2, I used about 1.5mg. After your initial dose, go up by .25 or .5mg at a time.

**On another note, does anyone else think subs take longer to kick in when you snort it compared to other drugs? Usually when I snort a pill, I can feel it within 15mn or so, but with suboxone I don't notice effects until 30-45mn at the least. I find it odd.