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bubbbble
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Hoping I could get a quick lil answer from yall....
Took my last dose of H around 1:00pm....and suspect I'll be feeling pretty goddamn shitty in no time.
I have a bunch of subox to tie me over, but i was curious if I could sniff a couple mgs of it before the 24 hours is up? Like if I wake up feeling miserable in the middle of the night? Would that take care of it, and without the risk of potentiation or whatever?
Could I maybe toot some before bed for the same effect? Just a tiny taste?
Took my last dose of H around 1:00pm....and suspect I'll be feeling pretty goddamn shitty in no time.
I have a bunch of subox to tie me over, but i was curious if I could sniff a couple mgs of it before the 24 hours is up? Like if I wake up feeling miserable in the middle of the night? Would that take care of it, and without the risk of potentiation or whatever?
Could I maybe toot some before bed for the same effect? Just a tiny taste?
No! No! No! No opiate agonists for 24 hours!!! Some can do it in less time maybe 18 hours, a few up to 32. A good rule of thumb is 24 hours, try for longer if you were sniffing and not IVing.
I always finished the rest of my H before I started sub. Now the good thing is you had your dose at 1pm as opposed to say 9pm. Because you'll be asleep through the harder part, the last few hours. Knock yourself out with some benzos, diphenhydramine, weed, whatever you got so you can sleep through the afternoon, then take your sub at 1pm tomorrow.
Trust me on this one, if you toot some before bed, you'll restart your wait. And if you take sub too early, it will be the greatest regret of your life. Seriously man, the 24 hours waiting sucks, but it's not 1% as bad as what will happen if you take your sub too early. Go put the H away or flush is down the toilet, you're not going to be needing it anymore. You're already a long ways there, and the rest is easy if you're sleeping with some sleep aid. Once on sub, the H will be useless to ya.
Best of luck.
I always finished the rest of my H before I started sub. Now the good thing is you had your dose at 1pm as opposed to say 9pm. Because you'll be asleep through the harder part, the last few hours. Knock yourself out with some benzos, diphenhydramine, weed, whatever you got so you can sleep through the afternoon, then take your sub at 1pm tomorrow.
Trust me on this one, if you toot some before bed, you'll restart your wait. And if you take sub too early, it will be the greatest regret of your life. Seriously man, the 24 hours waiting sucks, but it's not 1% as bad as what will happen if you take your sub too early. Go put the H away or flush is down the toilet, you're not going to be needing it anymore. You're already a long ways there, and the rest is easy if you're sleeping with some sleep aid. Once on sub, the H will be useless to ya.
Best of luck.
bubbbble
Greenlighter
Thanks man, I'm glad you answered that for me, and with most excellent timing. I wouldn't have done any without hearing from anyone anyways, but it's good to have that clarified for piece of mind.
I gat nothing to work as any sort of sleep aid unfortunately......cept for some bud and benadryl.
I was sniffing so I'll see how long I can hold out, but if I'm coming down real hard by the morning isn't that withdrawal symptom enough to necessitate my first dose? I mean, first does is supposed to be taken at first signs of symptoms, eh?
Preciate the advice dood
I gat nothing to work as any sort of sleep aid unfortunately......cept for some bud and benadryl.
I was sniffing so I'll see how long I can hold out, but if I'm coming down real hard by the morning isn't that withdrawal symptom enough to necessitate my first dose? I mean, first does is supposed to be taken at first signs of symptoms, eh?
Preciate the advice dood
Captain.Heroin
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I waited over 48 hours before entering detox. The first 24, I took other drugs to ease the WD's, by the 48 hour point I was in utter hell. Nothing helped, and that's when I went in for suboxone.
bubbbble
Greenlighter
well I don't really have much else to turn to in the way of other drugs to ease the pain..... if I get to 24 can I just take it regardless of how I feel? Certainly not going to feel good by any means...
Captain.Heroin
Bluelight Crew
I was sniffing so I'll see how long I can hold out, but if I'm coming down real hard by the morning isn't that withdrawal symptom enough to necessitate my first dose? I mean, first does is supposed to be taken at first signs of symptoms, eh?
Preciate the advice dood
No, you want to take suboxone in the middle of severe withdrawal. You want to do this because you want your body to get a start on the WD. You're going to have to come down anyways, the further you get through it w/o suboxone, the quicker you will taper down from suboxone. Suboxone then will make you feel immensely better, and you're not that likely to have precipitated WD's.
The first does shouldn't be taken at first signs of symptoms. You should wait as long as you possibly can.
If you can utilize any benzodiazepines, they can really help. Some more than others. Marijuana is also a LIFE SAVER for when one is trying to kick dope - there's nothing like going from that extreme despiration/physical WDing to a pleasant, smooth, fresh hit of some dank bud.
Other than this, I'm going to suggest you tough it out. Benadryl can help for sleep, though I personally find doxylamine succinate more useful (more kick my ass into some deep sleep usefulness).
You could, however, I advise if you can make it to 24 hours, smoke some herb, and take 50mg diphenhydramine (or more) and pass out for as long as possible. If you wake up in the middle of the night, I'd suggest to take a benzo (preferrably something like alprazolam or temazepam or flurazepam) and to use it sparingly (you certainly don't want to withdrawal from benzos and opiates at the same time), or to drink some alcohol if necessary (between hours 24 and 48 I started to drink an ounce or two of gin whenever I felt down - which was often - I ended up downing a good 8 or 10 ounces without actually feeling anything but slight come down and drunkenness.) What's more funny is that I woke up kicking within hours of falling asleep drunk as fuck - no more euphoria, right back to the shakes, the sweats, the goosebumps, the nerves on the outside of your body sensation..the whole works. I took 1mg clonazepam - I got 1 more hour of sleep before returning to the same predicament. I thought I was going to lose it - I certainly did not have enough benzos to ride out the whole WD, so I had to do something.
My girlfriend set up an appointment for me to see a psychiatrist, and he helped me get on suboxone. I got a few 2mg pills to tide me over until I got 60 8mg's for the month. The day I had that first 2mg pill, I could feel the monkey HOPPING THE FUCK OFF MY BACK.
It was such a good feeling...I remember crying, knowing I had saved myself from a great deal of unnecessary suffering in life, but also because I can be perfectly functioning now without heroin.
So...all in all, you can take it at 24 hours, try for longer. If you can't, and it really is that bad, odds are you're in sufficient enough WD. But please realize, your body's unique biochemistry makes it hard for us to tell you when it'll be OK for you to do it.
Heroin effects different people differently. I want to say you'll be OK, but I don't want you to go through precipitated WD's. I've seen people go through precipitated WD because they were stupid, and you're not stupid, you don't deserve to go through them. Like, if I'm saying here's how this is...and you think you know better than me, don't come crying to me when you're puking your guts up, feeling like hell. This kid thought he could take a 7.5mg hydrocodone, and then within an hour of taking it, he snorted 2mg of suboxone, rationalizing he "hadn't done any hydro's today, the last one was a few hours ago..." some bullshit, I watched him take it right in front of me. So I watched him go through precipitated withdrawal, trying to lie about it, wishing he could just "feel a high", not wondering how that actually works.
Pharmacology kicked his ass, I'll say. He was on the road, had to pull over to puke several times.
At least bubble seems intelligent enough to want to do things right, and is willing to ask the right questions in the right way. Thank you for respecting suboxone.
I can't say that often enough to enough people...more ought respect buprenorphine and it's mighty powers.
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I took sub 12 hours thinking I was w/d'ing, but I was just getting there. I was ready to die, I wouldve wacked myself if I had a gun, precipitated w/d's were worse than a nightmare. It was excruciating 4 hours, then I was sick the rest of the day
Weed and benadryl should be good for the first 24 hours, a good amount of immodium will help your GI tract. Immodium/Loperamide is a close relative of fentanyl and will bind to the mu receptors in your intenstines and relieve a good part of initial w/d's.
Weed and benadryl should be good for the first 24 hours, a good amount of immodium will help your GI tract. Immodium/Loperamide is a close relative of fentanyl and will bind to the mu receptors in your intenstines and relieve a good part of initial w/d's.
Carl Landrover
Bluelighter
I've taken sub several times after 12 hours, once after only 9. I'm glad I never got these precipitated WDs.
There was an interesting chart on the old thread (maybe on this one too?) that showed bupe still being present in your system 10 days afterwards. This is of course after you've been on a dose for a while so it's built up in your system. Each day had a % less falling exponentially (?) I think that's the word I'm looking for.
If you're taking 32mgs a day for several months, I'd think it might take close to 6-7 days, maybe even closer to 8-10 to feel something.
There was an interesting chart on the old thread (maybe on this one too?) that showed bupe still being present in your system 10 days afterwards. This is of course after you've been on a dose for a while so it's built up in your system. Each day had a % less falling exponentially (?) I think that's the word I'm looking for.
If you're taking 32mgs a day for several months, I'd think it might take close to 6-7 days, maybe even closer to 8-10 to feel something.
bubbbble
Greenlighter
Well, I'm alive, but fairly miserable. Couldn't find any benadryl afterall, and ended up getting really baked before I went to bed...needless to say, I've been awake and thrashing about since 2:30 or so. I got goosebumps throughout, and sore ass muscles, but I think I can totally hold out till the afternoon or night....it's really not too bad yet.
Thanks yall for your advice
Thanks yall for your advice
subisjustokay
Bluelighter
So as I've said before I have been on about 20mg of sub for like 11 days now and I got ahold of some 2mg alprazolam yesterday and I'm just wondering
a.) if this is as deadly a combo as I've read in some places?
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b.) what would be good starting dose of the alprazolam? (only used once or twice ever)
a.) if this is as deadly a combo as I've read in some places?
and
b.) what would be good starting dose of the alprazolam? (only used once or twice ever)
Mr Blonde
Bluelighter
Captain.Heroin said:
Smoking cannabis 'increases the risk of aggressive testicular cancer'.
Would you count a fatal car accident by someone under the influence of marijuana as a related death?
Not trying to be antagonistic here, but smoking any kind of plant material regularly is likely to be carcinogenic.
formanchristopher
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formanchristopher
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formanchristopher
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No, you want to take suboxone in the middle of severe withdrawal. You want to do this because you want your body to get a start on the WD. You're going to have to come down anyways, the further you get through it w/o suboxone, the quicker you will taper down from suboxone. Suboxone then will make you feel immensely better, and you're not that likely to have precipitated WD's.
The first does shouldn't be taken at first signs of symptoms. You should wait as long as you possibly can.
If you can utilize any benzodiazepines, they can really help. Some more than others. Marijuana is also a LIFE SAVER for when one is trying to kick dope - there's nothing like going from that extreme despiration/physical WDing to a pleasant, smooth, fresh hit of some dank bud.
Other than this, I'm going to suggest you tough it out. Benadryl can help for sleep, though I personally find doxylamine succinate more useful (more kick my ass into some deep sleep usefulness).
You could, however, I advise if you can make it to 24 hours, smoke some herb, and take 50mg diphenhydramine (or more) and pass out for as long as possible. If you wake up in the middle of the night, I'd suggest to take a benzo (preferrably something like alprazolam or temazepam or flurazepam) and to use it sparingly (you certainly don't want to withdrawal from benzos and opiates at the same time), or to drink some alcohol if necessary (between hours 24 and 48 I started to drink an ounce or two of gin whenever I felt down - which was often - I ended up downing a good 8 or 10 ounces without actually feeling anything but slight come down and drunkenness.) What's more funny is that I woke up kicking within hours of falling asleep drunk as fuck - no more euphoria, right back to the shakes, the sweats, the goosebumps, the nerves on the outside of your body sensation..the whole works. I took 1mg clonazepam - I got 1 more hour of sleep before returning to the same predicament. I thought I was going to lose it - I certainly did not have enough benzos to ride out the whole WD, so I had to do something.
My girlfriend set up an appointment for me to see a psychiatrist, and he helped me get on suboxone. I got a few 2mg pills to tide me over until I got 60 8mg's for the month. The day I had that first 2mg pill, I could feel the monkey HOPPING THE FUCK OFF MY BACK.
^^ Yes! Yes! Yes!:D
It was such a good feeling...I remember crying, knowing I had saved myself from a great deal of unnecessary suffering in life, but also because I can be perfectly functioning now without heroin.
^^DITTO! I too swear by this drug! Your input/posts always seem dead-on, to me at least.
So...all in all, you can take it at 24 hours, try for longer. If you can't, and it really is that bad, odds are you're in sufficient enough WD. But please realize, your body's unique biochemistry makes it hard for us to tell you when it'll be OK for you to do it.
Heroin effects different people differently. I want to say you'll be OK, but I don't want you to go through precipitated WD's. I've seen people go through precipitated WD because they were stupid, and you're not stupid, you don't deserve to go through them. Like, if I'm saying here's how this is...and you think you know better than me, don't come crying to me when you're puking your guts up, feeling like hell. This kid thought he could take a 7.5mg hydrocodone, and then within an hour of taking it, he snorted 2mg of suboxone, rationalizing he "hadn't done any hydro's today, the last one was a few hours ago..." some bullshit, I watched him take it right in front of me. So I watched him go through precipitated withdrawal, trying to lie about it, wishing he could just "feel a high", not wondering how that actually works.
Pharmacology kicked his ass, I'll say. He was on the road, had to pull over to puke several times.
At least bubble seems intelligent enough to want to do things right, and is willing to ask the right questions in the right way. Thank you for respecting suboxone.
I can't say that often enough to enough people...more ought respect buprenorphine and it's mighty power.
^^^Couldn't have said it better myself!!!Suboxone rocks!!!!!!!!
Mr Blonde
Bluelighter
^ I don't think you're using the quote button correctly. And try not to triple post please.
chrisinabox
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formanchristopher
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^ I don't think you're using the quote button correctly. And try not to triple post please.
Thanks for the guidance. Is there a "tutorial" on using the quote buttons?
Also, what is a "triple post"????? Posting 3 times in one post, seperated like I do? Or, posting to 3 different posts the same morning?
Gracias!
formanchristopher
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chrisinabox
Bluelighter
triple posting means your posting something 3 times when you really should be putting everything you need to say in 1 single post.
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