Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ and Megathread v.1; 2007 - 2010

[bingey]

^ Do you notice a difference in blood circulation to your extremities?
Do they get cold or anything?

I've always wondered what effects (short- and long-term) blowing out the majority of your veins would have on the body.

Yes i often have problems with my hands falling asleep , slowly recovering though

Also my hands tend to swell in the summer or whenever i use downers (opiates & alcohol)

interesting. Do you mind telling me what your filtering practices were? did you use a micron filter? i would guess that by utilizing a micron filter, one would filter out most, if not all of the substances that caused the damage you mention.

most of the time i didn't have acces to micron filters , so i'd filter 2x over regular cotton and wait like 10 minutes for the insolubles to drop to the bottom , bear in mind i got the generic pills which are pretty small compared to the brand name subutex.

When i did have a sterifilt micron filter i'd have to filter through cotton first to prevent the micron filter from clogging up

 

[daddysgone]

strange subutex reaction

as part of a post i made in a different thread, i brought this question up, but id like to give it its own thread since i am quite concerned as it involved a dead friend of mine.
I have a friend (yes this actually is about a friend) who shot a subutex and claims got the chills, shakes, and vomited several times a short time after. he also claims that now, a week later after the incident, he has a dull pain in his heart region and some pain down his left arm.
now to me, the chills, shaking, vomiting sound alot like cotton fever. but im not sure what to make of the chest/arm pains a week later. its possible none of this is related and that hes having chest pains for some other reasons of course. but i do have concern that somehow shooting the subutex caused some sort of cardiac issue that is still causing symptoms. any ideas as to what this could be? thanks-guy

 

[Jabberwocky]

^


the real problem is probably the WD , in that scenario even pulling of 5 minutes is an accomplishment

quoted for truth haha.

 

[bingey]

Merging this into the mega thread


Sounds like cotton fever to me too.

If he had endocardicitis (an infection of the hart valves) he'd probably be dead or dying right now , and also i'd think you would need repeated use to get that kind of damage.

Probably unrelated , but i'd have a check-up done by a cardiologist anyway

 

[daddysgone]

Merging this into the mega thread


Sounds like cotton fever to me too.

If he had endocardicitis (an infection of the hart valves) he'd probably be dead or dying right now , and also i'd think you would need repeated use to get that kind of damage.

Probably unrelated , but i'd have a check-up done by a cardiologist anyway

thanks for the response. Just a follow up though, what sort of things assosciated with shooting subutex could account for a weeklong dull ache (as he describes it) in the heart and left arm region? He claims that over the course of a few months he has shot his subutex maybe a dozen times, filtering through cotton twice each time, but no micron filter. In reality, what sort of damage or dangers could he have exposed himself to from the dozen or so shots? I've tried to assure him that most of the dangers in regards to fillers and binders and clots etc generally take very repeated use until they become real health issues. Is this correct, or is it entirely possible that he has done some sort of real damage in his short stint that could account for his chestpains? thanks

 

[chinacat311]

heroin withdrawal interrupted: sub/bupe question

i recently decided to kick my dope habit (5-8 capsules "scramble" heroin daily IV; two years with no breaks. luckily over the past few months i have tapered my dose down to this level to make this detox easier) and my first day clean was wednesday. so today (friday) is my third day of withdrawal which i hear is usually the worst (never even made it more than 24 hours till now). now i dont have access to any benzos, and loperamide doesnt help me much, so i had to rely on muscle relaxers and it was an otherwise cold turkey break.

anyway, today i gave in, and IVd about 3mg suboxone. i have always heard the third day is the worst, so i was assuming (before the subs) that tomorrow it would start getting easier, but now that i used the bupe how much does that set me back? is is going to reset the whole process, add a day or two or what?

btw: i know there are already a ton of "detox/withdrawal/what if i use just once?" threads, but i havent been able to find anything specifically about one-time suboxone interrupting heroin withdrawal. so if anyone has any experience or advice let me know. i really want to get clean but i just needed a break from the sickness so i gave in today, but im planning on continuing my detox cold turkey from here on... just curious as to how the next few days will turn out.

thanks

 

[bingey]

Merged into the mega thread

 

[inkfreak74x9]

thanks man!

thank for your time and help


the reason I avoid waiting for hardcore withdrawls is that when i came straight of 50mls of methadone, and lasted just three days and couldnt stand the hell anymore! so i drank 50mls to make myself feel better, waited 3 hrs, I felt a alot better but still fell terible! felt like i had been kick by a large horse! (so I just scored some gear and then was fine)

I dont know, if everythings so cut and dry, so black and white?!

sorry for ranting guys, im just so down and depressed at the min! I ran away from heroin, back to my shity small home town. I found I carnt run away from the stuff, i can sniff it out anywhere. So now instead of being in a big city with my friends and a nasty habit, im in a small town, with no-body and a nasty heroin habit!

sorry for sounding wimpy but this horrible lonleyness, (a dull ack in the bottom of my stomack) is making me ill. herion aleaveiates it, but takes me back to the start, as its the course!

sorry for ranting on this site but i dont have anything else, exept dark thoughts about self hard and ending it all...
...I never thort id be a stupid fucking, lame sadcase that carnt deal wityh life, like a moaning baby....FUCKING WORM
sorry if someone read my laughable post
The more i realise that i am nothin that my life is just a shity boaring life, that no-one love a junky, that i wont be able to aford to see beautiful things and dont deserve it. then a part of me keeps dying, which hurts at first, but then i feel good, well Numb. I just need to get it in to my head that im nothing, self absorbed people who believe they should have something in life get depressed, I just need to realsie that most of my life will be without pleasure, that there wont be any big 'things' i wont be rich and famous and have models falling allover me... i just need to grow up stop being a dick

I resent the family who love me as its the only thing that stops me,,, which would hurt them and they dont desere it (i should smile that people love me)
so sorry if im sounding so meladramtic guys

Thats the power of the poppy. You have just told the story of a thousand junkies like me. You ride the horse because it does all the work for you.
Stay strong and life might start looking a little more livable once the nasty horse is gone.
Meenwhile some suboxone will make the jorney a little more tolerable.

 

['medicine cabinet']

i recently decided to kick my dope habit (5-8 capsules "scramble" heroin daily IV; two years with no breaks. luckily over the past few months i have tapered my dose down to this level to make this detox easier) and my first day clean was wednesday. so today (friday) is my third day of withdrawal which i hear is usually the worst (never even made it more than 24 hours till now). now i dont have access to any benzos, and loperamide doesnt help me much, so i had to rely on muscle relaxers and it was an otherwise cold turkey break.

anyway, today i gave in, and IVd about 3mg suboxone. i have always heard the third day is the worst, so i was assuming (before the subs) that tomorrow it would start getting easier, but now that i used the bupe how much does that set me back? is is going to reset the whole process, add a day or two or what?

btw: i know there are already a ton of "detox/withdrawal/what if i use just once?" threads, but i havent been able to find anything specifically about one-time suboxone interrupting heroin withdrawal. so if anyone has any experience or advice let me know. i really want to get clean but i just needed a break from the sickness so i gave in today, but im planning on continuing my detox cold turkey from here on... just curious as to how the next few days will turn out.

thanks

Nah its not going to take you back to square one as far as WD goes. Since the bupe lasts a while it will slowly leave your system making the process easier. You will still have the paws when its all said and done, but i doubt its going to be worse because you gave in and shot 3mgs of bupe.

 

[SonOF]

anyone else have difficulty eating while on Suboxone? I have absolutely no appetite while on the drug, and many foods I normally like have become completely inedible.

 

[mitragyna]

Would I be correct making the assumption that Suboxone can be safely used with MAOIs?

 

[Mr Blonde]

^

From the 'Antidepressants and Recreational Drugs' thread in the Drug FAQ forum:

Opiates (Heroin, Codeine, Vicodin, Oxy etc): It is NOT SAFE to use opiates while on a MAOI. Combining these drugs could lead to hyper or hypotensive crises, as well as respiratory complications. Avoid these drugs if you are taking a MAOI, PLEASE!

 

[mitragyna]

I guess I should have looked harder. According to Wikipedia:

MAOIs should not be combined with other psychoactive substances (antidepressants, illicit drugs, painkillers, stimulants, etc.) except under expert care. Certain combinations can cause lethal reactions, common examples including SSRIs, tricyclics, MDMA, meperidine, tramadol, and dextromethorphan. Agents with actions on epinephrine, norepinephrine or dopamine must be administered at much lower doses due to potentiation and prolonged effect. Purely opiate-acting analgesics, such as morphine and buprenorphine may be used safely with MAOIs, but may require a dosage adjustment.

I guess I just need to make sure to watch my dosage closely.

 

[johanneschimpo]

You need to be very careful. Even regular foods like meat and fruits/vegetables can be dangerous with MAOIs. I don't know your whole situation, but didn't your doctor tell you about all the dangerous combinations that are possible with MAOIs? If not, he's an asshole for not explaining it all very thoroughly. (I'm assuming you got them from a doctor, and aren't just taking them for the hell of it).

 

[djsim]

You need to be very careful. Even regular foods like meat and fruits/vegetables can be dangerous with MAOIs. I don't know your whole situation, but didn't your doctor tell you about all the dangerous combinations that are possible with MAOIs? If not, he's an asshole for not explaining it all very thoroughly. (I'm assuming you got them from a doctor, and aren't just taking them for the hell of it).

isn't diet only an issue for the old MAOIs like tranylcypromine (PARNATE). I thought new MAOIs (reversible MAOI-As) like moclobemide didn't have interactions with foods like cheese, beer, chocolate etc?

 

[mitragyna]

You need to be very careful. Even regular foods like meat and fruits/vegetables can be dangerous with MAOIs. I don't know your whole situation, but didn't your doctor tell you about all the dangerous combinations that are possible with MAOIs? If not, he's an asshole for not explaining it all very thoroughly. (I'm assuming you got them from a doctor, and aren't just taking them for the hell of it).

Yeah, I understand most in the interactions. I just knew that certain Opiates like Demerol were contraindicated, and wasn't sure if Bupe was on that list.

I am prescribed the MAOI (Emsam) and my doctor did give me an extensive list of interactions but I lost that list . I may switch to Nardil or Parnate though so I need to be more careful with my dietary intake.

 

[ayoOC80]

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ok, ive currently been on suboxone for about 3 weeks. im taking 8mg a day. the problem is that i cant get to sleep at night. im just not tired till say 4-5am, which causes me to sleep till 2-3pm, or be late for work. now ive tried to make sure i get up early, around 8:30am, take my suboxone then, and go on with my day, still didnt want to sleep till like 3 in the morning the next day.

im not gonna be taking anything without a script from my doc, since i cant risk fucking this up. i havent done shit else since i started. ive taken diphenhydramine in the past, it can make me get to sleep, if im already kinda tired, but when i wake up, no matter the amount of sleep, i feel like shit, groggy, hungover.

so my question is, i have an appt. on Friday, what options do i have as far as my suboxone doc giving me a script of ambien or a benzo or something. will i have to go to my general doctor because my sub doc can't give me anything else? and has anyone else been in this situation, what was the result for you?

 

[wespwnzu]

suboxone to stop overdose!?

I just thought of this on the way home, and having seen many od's in my day, it has never occured to me that narcan is readily available at home in suboxone (naloxone). So in theory, if someone was passed out from OD, then I could shoot them with say 2mg/0.5mg and they would come back in full withdrawals but be alive? correct? i haven't heard anyone mention this on the forums, so excuse me if im being naive

 

[ayoOC80]

you didnt just think of this, you just read one of 6/7 posts and robbed it. plus, this belongs int he suboxone mega thread. close please.

 

[wespwnzu]

umm actually i did just think of this.. its not in the suboxone thread at all, and i dont see any threads about it anywhere? quit trying to be a backseat moderator man