Emily
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well, the "Bup group" is mandatory for anyone on suboxone that goes to my doctor...my dr makes the group mandatory for all of his patients
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well, the "Bup group" is mandatory for anyone on suboxone that goes to my doctor...my dr makes the group mandatory for all of his patients
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thanks for your kind advice
I have some tolerance to benzos due to addiction to them ,
and I administered the bupe rectally to prevent drips. Complete ingestion. 1 mg was fine after the morning dose this night. But I needed to boost a bit, so I added 0.5 mgs insufflated.
And 50 mg diazepam orally , my daily habit is 15 mg / min or I'll start to get withdrawals and nasty ones. Took some orphenadine also to add sedation and prevent itching... Just fucking waiting when this stuff puts me to nod. I seem to have some kind of natural tolerance to opioids. I haven't nodded really hard since first codeine highs and with couple times with Kratom. weird.
ellua
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I've been on suboxone for just over a year now. Over this past year, I've developed 3 very sensitive teeth, to the point where I can't even chew on one side of my mouth. Dentist is not on the tippy top of my list right now but I know it needs to be, soon. I've only had one tiny cavity before, about 15 years ago, but have had very healthy teeth other than that.
I'm thinking that the Suboxone may be the culprit for these painful teeth... it's been over 365 days of 2-3 8mg tabs sitting in my mouth and the residue can stick around for an hour, sometimes more. And lately when I dose my teeth will near always ache after the first 15 minutes.
Has anyone else had this side effect at all, or even heard of it? Anyone know what kind of sugars are in the tabs, and if it would indeed be enough to have an impact like this? I'm going to talk to my doctor next month and get her thoughts... if this really is the cause of the sensitivity I want that bupe patch thingy to get here asap. I didn't think I'd ever want to use the patch because, honestly, even though the tabs don't get me high whatsoever, I'll admit that if I take ~24-32mg after several days of 8-16mg, it makes me nod pretty nicely.
Any thoughts? Thanks
I'm thinking that the Suboxone may be the culprit for these painful teeth... it's been over 365 days of 2-3 8mg tabs sitting in my mouth and the residue can stick around for an hour, sometimes more. And lately when I dose my teeth will near always ache after the first 15 minutes.
Has anyone else had this side effect at all, or even heard of it? Anyone know what kind of sugars are in the tabs, and if it would indeed be enough to have an impact like this? I'm going to talk to my doctor next month and get her thoughts... if this really is the cause of the sensitivity I want that bupe patch thingy to get here asap. I didn't think I'd ever want to use the patch because, honestly, even though the tabs don't get me high whatsoever, I'll admit that if I take ~24-32mg after several days of 8-16mg, it makes me nod pretty nicely.
Any thoughts? Thanks
buprenorphine causes dry mouth as a side effect.
Take extra care of your teeth if you want them to last.
Wash plaque of and you should be fine.
source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buprenorphine#Adverse_effects
Take extra care of your teeth if you want them to last.
Wash plaque of and you should be fine.
source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buprenorphine#Adverse_effects
Emily
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hey I don't know if this question has been asked but what happens if you get severely injured and you're on suboxone? What kind of meds would they put you on? Stuff like vicodin and oxy wouldn't work right, so what would the dr's do?
Hendrix Haze15
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Quick question on suboxone
Ok so I have this friend who got out of rehab about 2 months ago. He did good for a few weeks and relapsed on IV heroin and has had a small habit for a month and half or so. He went and got a perscription for suboxone to kick and was planning on doing a maintenence program with the suboxone. Ok so my friend didnt really have a really big dope habit this time around. He was spending like 30 bucks a day on tar and when he got his suboxone the doctor told him to take 16 mgs the first day. He was pretty sick when he took the first 8 mgs and the suboxone totally took away his withdrawals and he was fine. The thing though was he claims the suboxone kind of got him high and he noticed that hours after taking the suboxone he was kind of nodding out. Is this possible? I mean if your dope habit really isnt that bad and you take alot more suboxone than you really need to get well and stay off sick, is there the possibility the suboxone would get you a little fucked up? I have never heard of this and dont know if my friend really caught a little nod from the suboxone or its just in his head. Thanks for any replys.
Ok so I have this friend who got out of rehab about 2 months ago. He did good for a few weeks and relapsed on IV heroin and has had a small habit for a month and half or so. He went and got a perscription for suboxone to kick and was planning on doing a maintenence program with the suboxone. Ok so my friend didnt really have a really big dope habit this time around. He was spending like 30 bucks a day on tar and when he got his suboxone the doctor told him to take 16 mgs the first day. He was pretty sick when he took the first 8 mgs and the suboxone totally took away his withdrawals and he was fine. The thing though was he claims the suboxone kind of got him high and he noticed that hours after taking the suboxone he was kind of nodding out. Is this possible? I mean if your dope habit really isnt that bad and you take alot more suboxone than you really need to get well and stay off sick, is there the possibility the suboxone would get you a little fucked up? I have never heard of this and dont know if my friend really caught a little nod from the suboxone or its just in his head. Thanks for any replys.
Jabberwocky
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if you have a small habit/tolerance to opiates in general, you will get high from sub. i don't have a huge tolerance and about the equiv of 2mg will get me high and nodding for a day, sometimes longer.
with sub, generally the rule is - less = more.
if 8mg is holding your friend but also getting him high, this is kinda defeating the purpose for maintainance? get him to talk to his doc about an adjustment if he is real about this.
good luck to your friend!
with sub, generally the rule is - less = more.
if 8mg is holding your friend but also getting him high, this is kinda defeating the purpose for maintainance? get him to talk to his doc about an adjustment if he is real about this.
good luck to your friend!
Mr Blonde
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Merged in a question about getting high off your maintenance sub dose.
Roxi A 215
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How long does it take for subb to lower oxy tolerance?
I have been using Roxies for a while now. Started a year ago not taking more than 15 mg a day. Now the norm is 60mg and sometimes as high as 90mg. I RX'd 45mg a day, if you can do math you see my problem, I run out!!. I want to save some up and lower my tolerance via suboxone. Im going to do a rapid bupe detox.
2mg first day
1.5 mg second day
1mg third day
then off.
I have done this before with no wd problems, but it is hard to stay off these dam roxies, so after i stop the bupe does anyone know or can speculate how long it will take for my tolerance to lower. How long for a little? Half? Mostly all, where i have no tolerance? My gf stopped for a week and her tolerance went back down to nothing. If I do the schedule like i posted and take a week off will i have some tolerance decrease? No use the search button advice, I use it frequently, so if you were about to say search I have, now blow me. Sorry for the long read, but thanks for the good trusty BL'er knowledge. Any help would be appreciated, take care.
I have been using Roxies for a while now. Started a year ago not taking more than 15 mg a day. Now the norm is 60mg and sometimes as high as 90mg. I RX'd 45mg a day, if you can do math you see my problem, I run out!!. I want to save some up and lower my tolerance via suboxone. Im going to do a rapid bupe detox.
2mg first day
1.5 mg second day
1mg third day
then off.
I have done this before with no wd problems, but it is hard to stay off these dam roxies, so after i stop the bupe does anyone know or can speculate how long it will take for my tolerance to lower. How long for a little? Half? Mostly all, where i have no tolerance? My gf stopped for a week and her tolerance went back down to nothing. If I do the schedule like i posted and take a week off will i have some tolerance decrease? No use the search button advice, I use it frequently, so if you were about to say search I have, now blow me. Sorry for the long read, but thanks for the good trusty BL'er knowledge. Any help would be appreciated, take care.
dilated_pupils
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I'm rxed 16mgs daily, 8 in the morning, 7 in the noon. I was reading about the effects. One thing that bothers me is the loss of libido/ejaculatory problems. With long term/semi-long term use, am I looking at these issues, and how bad? I mean hey I wouldn't mind having a problem with lasting longer in bed but I don't want to not orgasm or go llimp...
Anyone know the answer? Thanks in advance.
Anyone know the answer? Thanks in advance.
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the only thing i noticed is that i lasted slightly longer in bed , if you were addicted to opiates the ones you were addicted too would probably be much more of an impairment
the real problem is probably the WD , in that scenario even pulling of 5 minutes is an accomplishment
the only thing i noticed is that i lasted slightly longer in bed , if you were addicted to opiates the ones you were addicted too would probably be much more of an impairment
the real problem is probably the WD , in that scenario even pulling of 5 minutes is an accomplishment
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Inactive Ingredients in SUBUTEX
I thought this thread might be useful, especially given the apparently massive number of people in Europe who are choosing to IV their Subutex. It's not such an issue here in the US, as most receive suboxone which is near impossible to IV, but my understanding is that IV Subutex is a huge problem is Europe. So, I'd like to provide you with an ingredient list of whats contained in Subutex pill, and then we can discuss the dangers these inactives may or may not pose if they do end up making into the bloodstream.
Buprenorphine HCL- that goes with out saying, the active in Subtutex
Lactose-a sugar
Mannitol-a sugar alcohol
Corn starch- a filler or binder I believe (don't think its water soluble,not sure tho)
providone K30- had to look this one up. Seems to be a binder and my first thought was that this one might be trouble if it got into your veins. but upon looking it up i found that it also used as a dissolving assistant for injection, so that makes me think it likely would not pose much of a risk.
citric acid-as this is often added to injections, im not too worried about this one
sodium citrate-a salt of citric acid. not sure if this would cause problems if IV'd
magnesium stearate-also used as a filler. not water soluble, and considered safe for consumption (doesn't mean safe for IV)
so thats all that is in Subutex. To be honest, for all the criticism people get for choosing to shoot their Subutex, I dont see much here that would be of concern. The corn starch would probably be the biggest issue, but if properly filtered (as in using a micron filter), it doesnt seem that this practice would be as dangerous as I previously thought. NOTE: THIS BY NO MEANS MEANS THAT YOU SHOULD IV SUBUTEX. i am notoriously wrong about things like this, and merely wanted to list the ingredients and start an intelligent discussion. so please, id like to hear all thoughts-guy
I thought this thread might be useful, especially given the apparently massive number of people in Europe who are choosing to IV their Subutex. It's not such an issue here in the US, as most receive suboxone which is near impossible to IV, but my understanding is that IV Subutex is a huge problem is Europe. So, I'd like to provide you with an ingredient list of whats contained in Subutex pill, and then we can discuss the dangers these inactives may or may not pose if they do end up making into the bloodstream.
Buprenorphine HCL- that goes with out saying, the active in Subtutex
Lactose-a sugar
Mannitol-a sugar alcohol
Corn starch- a filler or binder I believe (don't think its water soluble,not sure tho)
providone K30- had to look this one up. Seems to be a binder and my first thought was that this one might be trouble if it got into your veins. but upon looking it up i found that it also used as a dissolving assistant for injection, so that makes me think it likely would not pose much of a risk.
citric acid-as this is often added to injections, im not too worried about this one
sodium citrate-a salt of citric acid. not sure if this would cause problems if IV'd
magnesium stearate-also used as a filler. not water soluble, and considered safe for consumption (doesn't mean safe for IV)
so thats all that is in Subutex. To be honest, for all the criticism people get for choosing to shoot their Subutex, I dont see much here that would be of concern. The corn starch would probably be the biggest issue, but if properly filtered (as in using a micron filter), it doesnt seem that this practice would be as dangerous as I previously thought. NOTE: THIS BY NO MEANS MEANS THAT YOU SHOULD IV SUBUTEX. i am notoriously wrong about things like this, and merely wanted to list the ingredients and start an intelligent discussion. so please, id like to hear all thoughts-guy
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thanks for that bit of information , I'm going to merge this thread into the mega-thread
and yes especially in france , IV subutex abuse is a huge problem
I used to inject my subutex for 2 years and even though they were the generic pills which are like 5x smaller than the brand name (size of a ritalin pill) it cost me all my veins in the arms and legs , so i highly advise against shooting subutex
thanks for that bit of information , I'm going to merge this thread into the mega-thread
and yes especially in france , IV subutex abuse is a huge problem
I used to inject my subutex for 2 years and even though they were the generic pills which are like 5x smaller than the brand name (size of a ritalin pill) it cost me all my veins in the arms and legs , so i highly advise against shooting subutex
johanneschimpo
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^ Do you notice a difference in blood circulation to your extremities?
Do they get cold or anything?
I've always wondered what effects (short- and long-term) blowing out the majority of your veins would have on the body.
Do they get cold or anything?
I've always wondered what effects (short- and long-term) blowing out the majority of your veins would have on the body.
daddysgone
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BingeBoy said:
interesting. Do you mind telling me what your filtering practices were? did you use a micron filter? i would guess that by utilizing a micron filter, one would filter out most, if not all of the substances that caused the damage you mention.
on another note, I have a friend (yes this actually is about a friend) who shot a subutex and claims got the chills, shakes, and vomited several times a short time after. he also claims that now, a week later after the incident, he has a dull pain in his heart region and some pain down his left arm.
now to me, the chills, shaking, vomiting sound alot like cotton fever. but im not sure what to make of the chest/arm pains a week later. any thoughts on what this could be? thanks
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I am looking for people's experiences with buprenorphine.
How many of you have used subutex/suboxone to quit opioids and were successful at staying off them? How bad were buprenorphine withdrawals for you?
How many of you have used subutex/suboxone to quit opioids and were successful at staying off them? How bad were buprenorphine withdrawals for you?
johanneschimpo
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bupemonkey:
Bupe is awesome. It works very, very well, but you have to let it work. You have to want to stay off opiates, and if you do, it can't fail.
Bupe withdrawals are very minimal if you taper correctly. If you taper very, very, very carefully, there isn't any discomfort at all, not even a sleepless night.
Even if you stop taking bupe cold turkey, it still isn't as bad as withdrawaling from a full agonist (full agonist = heroin, oxycodone, methadone, etc).
Bupe is awesome. It works very, very well, but you have to let it work. You have to want to stay off opiates, and if you do, it can't fail.
Bupe withdrawals are very minimal if you taper correctly. If you taper very, very, very carefully, there isn't any discomfort at all, not even a sleepless night.
Even if you stop taking bupe cold turkey, it still isn't as bad as withdrawaling from a full agonist (full agonist = heroin, oxycodone, methadone, etc).
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