Both should be stable, as long as you keep them away from humidity.
Are you trying to do my head in or what?
I had to think about this one for a moment.The above another way of putting it (pulled from another, unrelated, thread but posted by a resident chemist and one with experience in many spheres to boot).
You don’t need to for my sake. We’re on the same page it sound like.
Idk to what degree that was directed at me or if you were simply contributing to the conversation jumping off what I said, but as far as I’m concerned personally, you’re preaching to the proverbial choir here. We’re both saying the same thing: crack is adulterated freebase. Though from a technical perspective, it doesn’t have to be and depending on who’s making it (dealer or non-dealer is the major delineation), it can be synonymous with freebase… in other words, all freebase can count as crack (and will count as crack in court, replete with harsher sentencing than a salt-form of cocaine), but not all crack should count as freebase due to impurity content.
Apathy, ignorance, laziness, the ubiquity of aluminum foil, and the efficacy of this method. I mean, it does work. And I’m not sure many ppl know about the correlation between aluminum and early onset Alzheimer’s, though correlation does not prove causation. If one avoids excessive heat, this potential risk is probably minimized.
If there’s residue left behind you may or may not be inhaling it. Also possible is that the heat is causing pyrolysis to occur with some compound(s) and creating carcinogens like BaP and/or its cancer-causing/toxic analogs. Procuring uncut cocaine is a real challenge though for the vast majority of cocaine users. Eh. Que sera, sera.
Hello.
). I was just referencing you and an excerpt from your post on the other thread in order to better explain what it is that I was trying to explain on this thread to the philistines. 
Nope.
Nope.
Philistine!
Philistine!
If for no other reason than to prove a point of course!You dudes (some of you) are gong to make me old(er) before my time!
Alright. Let's put this one to bed (from my side anyway).
I'm no qualified chemist. So I concede that maybe, possibly, the end rock or crystals (method dependent) formed are the same substance.
And I think @unodelacosa has summed it up nicely above and as quoted below. And this person is either a chemist and/or knows his/her oats from a chemistry perspective (and not just when it comes to Cocaine from what I gather).
Did I get decent Crack rocks in the day (late '80's thru most of the '90's)? Certainly. Definitely. With those Crack rocks: same effect? Yes. Bellringers were the norm not the exception. And these Crack rocks where pretty white in color and, ironically, also used to melt clear on the gauze. And they were hard and brittle. And you could hit them time after time without feeling like shit. And the only residue formed in the pipe was dry and powdery and you could scrape the pipe and hit the stuff and same effect.
Fast forward to the time where this changed. Crack rocks became darker in color, more powdery, and most certainly didn't have the punch of the above no matter how many hits you had. When melted they'd melt as a milky substance on the gauze and sometimes even a brown substance and that stank to high heaven sometimes. And there was usually little to no residue left in the pipe and most times if there was it was a horrible, oily, black substance. And scraping the pipe wasn't possible i.e. only way to be greedy and try get another hit was to push the gauze up and down the pipe to catch this shit. And more often than not it'd make you cough and splutter and also had the propensity to ignite. And even if you got a mild rush: it didn't last long, certainly wasn't smooth, and resulted in jitters, paranoia, and generally it was just shit. And oddly enough: while this was all going on the HCL being delivered was also off color, smelly, burned the shit out of your nostrils, little to no anesthesia, no drip, just, again, plain shit. And it was at this time and for these reasons I started a) cooking with baking soda myself (and ended up with the same crappy results) and b) going the chemical route.
Chemical route: back to the good (and even better) stuff and effects. But the loss was horrific. By that stage I was lucky to be getting 200mg of freebase from 1g of HCL. And that is no shit. So the problem is obvious i.e. false economy (to say the least). Not to mention the patience and restraint required in order to wait for the shit to dry proper (I didn't use lamps i.e. just let the shit dry by itself on a glass plate and sometimes that took a LONG time especially during Winter or when it was raining).
So that's my story (albeit only from an experience and anecdotal perspective).
So is there a difference between Crack and freebase? Technically and chemically maybe not. But in practice and with shoddy and unscrupulous cooks and crooks and crap HCL to start with: yes there is.
And one fine day I will do this test on HCL that I KNOW to be unadulterated and, in theory anyway, the loss (by weight) should be no more than 10% max. going the chemical route.
I leave you with a gift of sorts i.e. David Lee's Cocaine Handbook which, I'm told, is getting harder and harder to come by nowadays. While it may be dated: it's a good read and served me well back in the day. And if you take things back to basics: it's as relevant today as it was back then (in spite of some new twists along the way since then) (but some of those covered in my threads on the the topic). Sorry for the scan and layout i.e. this not my scan or copy or upload (my original went missing years ago) (I think I tossed it when I gave this all up as a bad job). Some may perceive it as a harm reduction resource. Others may perceive it as an instruction manual. Take from it what you will!
You dudes (some of you) are gong to make me old(er) before my time!
Alright. Let's put this one to bed (from my side anyway).
I'm no qualified chemist. So I concede that maybe, possibly, the end rock or crystals (method dependent) formed are the same substance.
And I think @unodelacosa has summed it up nicely above and as quoted below. And this person is either a chemist and/or knows his/her oats from a chemistry perspective (and not just when it comes to Cocaine from what I gather).
Did I get decent Crack rocks in the day (late '80's thru most of the '90's)? Certainly. Definitely. With those Crack rocks: same effect? Yes. Bellringers were the norm not the exception. And these Crack rocks where pretty white in color and, ironically, also used to melt clear on the gauze. And they were hard and brittle. And you could hit them time after time without feeling like shit. And the only residue formed in the pipe was dry and powdery and you could scrape the pipe and hit the stuff and same effect.
Fast forward to the time where this changed. Crack rocks became darker in color, more powdery, and most certainly didn't have the punch of the above no matter how many hits you had. When melted they'd melt as a milky substance on the gauze and sometimes even a brown substance and that stank to high heaven sometimes. And there was usually little to no residue left in the pipe and most times if there was it was a horrible, oily, black substance. And scraping the pipe wasn't possible i.e. only way to be greedy and try get another hit was to push the gauze up and down the pipe to catch this shit. And more often than not it'd make you cough and splutter and also had the propensity to ignite. And even if you got a mild rush: it didn't last long, certainly wasn't smooth, and resulted in jitters, paranoia, and generally it was just shit. And oddly enough: while this was all going on the HCL being delivered was also off color, smelly, burned the shit out of your nostrils, little to no anesthesia, no drip, just, again, plain shit. And it was at this time and for these reasons I started a) cooking with baking soda myself (and ended up with the same crappy results) and b) going the chemical route.
Chemical route: back to the good (and even better) stuff and effects. But the loss was horrific. By that stage I was lucky to be getting 200mg of freebase from 1g of HCL. And that is no shit. So the problem is obvious i.e. false economy (to say the least). Not to mention the patience and restraint required in order to wait for the shit to dry proper (I didn't use lamps i.e. just let the shit dry by itself on a glass plate and sometimes that took a LONG time especially during Winter or when it was raining).
So that's my story (albeit only from an experience and anecdotal perspective).
So is there a difference between Crack and freebase? Technically and chemically maybe not. But in practice and with shoddy and unscrupulous cooks and crooks and crap HCL to start with: yes there is.
And one fine day I will do this test on HCL that I KNOW to be unadulterated and, in theory anyway, the loss (by weight) should be no more than 10% max. going the chemical route.
I leave you with a gift of sorts i.e. David Lee's Cocaine Handbook which, I'm told, is getting harder and harder to come by nowadays. While it may be dated: it's a good read and served me well back in the day. And if you take things back to basics: it's as relevant today as it was back then (in spite of some new twists along the way since then) (but some of those covered in my threads on the the topic). Sorry for the scan and layout i.e. this not my scan or copy or upload (my original went missing years ago) (I think I tossed it when I gave this all up as a bad job). Some may perceive it as a harm reduction resource. Others may perceive it as an instruction manual. Take from it what you will!
Exactly. Crack is simply the product of baking soda, water and a microwaving being extremely easier to find and use compared to ammonia or other chemicals.
It's never been a requirement that the cocaine freebase be made with ammonia; it just happens to have been the more common method back before they were calling it “crack”. To any chemist, the “freebase” of any drug simply refers to the drug in its alkaline state rather than bonding the drug with an acid to form a water soluble salt, such as e.g. hydrochloric acid mixed with cocaine renders cocaine hydrochloride (aka cocaine.hcl, “powder cocaine”, “soft”). Another example is: amphetamine freebase oil bonds with sulfuric acid to produce amphetamine sulfate.
That's basically the gist, yeah, although it's worthy of note: this really all depends on how loose your definitions of “crack” and “freebase” are – if you're willing to eschew being a purity stickler, they're roughly the same thing, and in the eyes of the law they will more than likely be considered synonymous anyway, so the point becomes a bit moot here as things become murky… kinda like whipping up stepped-on hard.
Rock, most likely. Generally speaking, bonding an acid to an alkaline drug renders a more stable drug salt, that if kept in a suitable environment (in a cool, dark place, either completely dry or in solution) should stay good for an impressively long amount of time. Exposure to heat, light, and atmospheric moisture inevitably will lead most things to degrade.
Pretty much unless one is willing to use a looser definition of these terms. As you pointed out, the excess sodium bicarbonate causes the signature crack-snapple-pop sound (if you put water and baking soda on a spoon, for example, add some cocaine and heat it together with a lighter, you will hear this sound and find a crack rock in your spoon). And as you no doubt already know, this is what rappers are talking about when they mention “whipping up” crack on the stove top with baking soda in a Pyrex dish.
Aw, thanks. And I wish I could visit more often, too. But you know, life is kind of a balancing act w/r/t using one's time wisely, isn't it?Nice post as always. Wish you'd visit more often though.
So I used sodium hydroxide back whenever I made freebase, and this, like sodium bicarbonate, will rock up; whereas ammonia does not form the same freebase, insteading staying as an oil. But in all the above instances, cocaine hydrochloride is chemically changed such that the cocaine base is “freed” from the hydrochloric acid molecule; hence the name: “freebase”. However, the tendency exists for crack dealers who whip their own rocks from soft to use an excess of baking soda to give them more overall weight to sell. Do note: people who cut drugs for a profit are deplorable, selfish, greedy pieces of dogshit, and if anyone reading these words actively practices this, please stop this practice right now; turn over a new leaf. … I'll step down from the soap box now…