Prophetic/Precognitive Dreams

[L2R]

cheesy it is. extremely. stick to the book, and yeah, i got the book about 13 years ago also. .

nice post, socko.

 

[vegan]

^^ one of us misunderstood his post

My point is that the odds of what profundo or darthmom seeing an exact representation of a complex visual scene down to the colors, texture, dimensions, that you have never been exposed to, in a dream is astronomical.

to me, "the odds [...]is/are astronomical" means "the probabilities are high"

if i understand the first part of his post, he's saying exactly what i am thinking (except for the "clarity" aspect. most dreams are not exactly clear) :
that we dream so much that we are bound to eventually dream something that appears in our life
you may even very well have dreamt of such an auction before, but didn't think about it again because nothing reminded you of it

let's say you're 30
30x365=10950 nights
how many dreams is that? a few times 11000 for sure, even though we don't remember most of them

how many elements did those dreams contain?
we'd probably have to count in millions

how many times did you have a "prophetic" dream?
statistically, don't you think it could just be a coincidence?



however, i'm open to the idea that our dreams may be influenced by external factors
that's worth its own thread

but as far as prophecy goes, my spontaneous reaction is to only see a coincidence

 

[Cyrus]

i remember once when i had a dream that something was chasing after me (and i was seeing through the eyes of whatever was chasing me) through an apartment complex. i saw myself running, hopping a gate, and whatever it was that was chasing me caught up to me.

a few months later i was traversing through an apartment complex on an 1/8 of shrooms, hopped a gate, hit my head on the way down then tried to get up and fell in a pool, drowned, and was rescued by an off duty cop who was walking his dog at 2:00 in the morning.



i think it's possible that some things are more than just a coincidence. maybe the human mind does have untapped subconscious ability, and it tries to commune it's ability to us through dreams.
I remember reading about a person who had premonitions and went traveling place to place to show his ability. one day he walked into a town, had a bad feeling that something was going to happen and promptly canceled his shows and left town.

the town was then hit by an earthquake a day later or something :O

 

[L2R]

^^ one of us misunderstood his post

Agreed, but let's let socko clarify.

to me, "the odds [...]is/are astronomical" means "the probabilities are high"

To me it's quite the opposite.

you may even very well have dreamt of such an auction before, but didn't think about it again because nothing reminded you of it

I have dreamt of shoes before (i'm a bit of a fiend actually) but never with this clarity and in every other shoe dream, i never actually GET the shoes. they're always just out of reach of my hand or money. generally my shoe dreams have been expressing a sense of longing or dissatisfaction.

let's say you're 30
30x365=10950 nights
how many dreams is that? a few times 11000 for sure, even though we don't remember most of them

how many elements did those dreams contain?
we'd probably have to count in millions

and generally i'd agree, yet in this instance, the detail and the timing tell me otherwise. quite strongly i might add. strong enough to spook me all day and spur this thread.

how many times did you have a "prophetic" dream?
statistically, don't you think it could just be a coincidence?

don't hold the title to this thread too literally. it was for the sake of a bette description. i don't know what it is.

i've had other dreams and strange coincidental occurrences which have warned me about certain people before. but none of them were this literal.

for instance, three years ago (before i met the wife) I was still recovering from a long term disastrous relationship (which has a funny warning synchronicity story along with it, but that's something else) and a bad turn in my psychedelic use and a depression and i started seeing a girl for a bit. now, i'm not the type of person interested in cheap sex, when i'm with someone, i'm in full ball and with total intention and commitment. little did i know, this girl was not of the same intent.
i dreamt vividly grocery shopping with her. we decided to get some fruit. i let her pick the fruit and i happily paid for her bananas despite them being all shrivelled and black with rot.
The symbolism was quite clear and i did end up getting hurt, but then i saw it coming.

however, i'm open to the idea that our dreams may be influenced by external factors
that's worth its own thread

but as far as prophecy goes, my spontaneous reaction is to only see a coincidence

external factors is exactly why i started this thread. what is this, time vision? or was i somehow psychically attuned to someone listing or intending to list the shoes from the other side of the world? in my case, it could've been either one, but the latter doesn't explain darthmom's experience.

on a side note. a month ago i planned ahead for my mate's first kid by buying them a pair of baby jordans. the morning of the dream and find, he was born.

 

[socko]

^^ one of us misunderstood his post

Quote:
My point is that the odds of what profundo or darthmom seeing an exact representation of a complex visual scene down to the colors, texture, dimensions, that you have never been exposed to, in a dream is astronomical.
to me, "the odds [...]is/are astronomical" means "the probabilities are high"

I made a typo on this. I meant to type "the odds against this" happening in the clarity and the degree of detail and the timing are extremely high. That is, what Profundo dreamed of is extremely unlikely to happen exactly the way it did.

if i understand the first part of his post, he's saying exactly what i am thinking (except for the "clarity" aspect. most dreams are not exactly clear) :
that we dream so much that we are bound to eventually dream something that appears in our life
you may even very well have dreamt of such an auction before, but didn't think about it again because nothing reminded you of it

let's say you're 30
30x365=10950 nights
how many dreams is that? a few times 11000 for sure, even though we don't remember most of them

how many elements did those dreams contain?
we'd probably have to count in millions
how many times did you have a "prophetic" dream?
statistically, don't you think it could just be a coincidence?

When the dreams are muddy, of a very general nature, and lacking in detail, I agree with you completely. Most dreams seem to fall this category. They are too general and could be interpreted to mean anything. I'll give an example of this kind of meaningless dream. 2 nights ago, I dreamed of riding in a car on a road trip with several other people. The location, highway, kind of car, faces of the people, conversations were all very vague. This kind of dream is too vague and muddy to qualify as being unusual or "prophetic." The people were to vague to match with any body in waking life.
Most people will eventually ride in a car with other people that they will vaguely recall at some point in their lives. I think most dreams are of this general nature. But they are not the kind of dreams that Profundo or Darthmom or I have described. I don't think their dreams are coincidence becase the details were too exact.

Profundo's dream has too many details that match up with the real thing to be a coincidence. The size, coloring (which he has never seen before), timing, and other things match. It's this kind of dream in which a very distinct and unique image is perceived that is interesting. My dream of the girl was the same. It was so detailed that it was like a photograph or movie of a real person. I sketched the person and described all of the details I could remember in a notebook and it matched the real person. Without the dream image being extremely detailed and unique, it can and should be explained away as coincidence.
Another thing that comes to mind is that the dreams that have an eerie correlation with future waking life events often have a kind of salience taht makes them seem different and special.

 

[Lysis]

how often do you dream things that don't happen the next day ?

Very rarely. I'm sure there are dreams that I have that I don't remember, but the ones I remember that are so vivid it is rare that I don't come across their story one day.

Edit: Something that happened to me recently that fits this thread.

My BF went to Israel for his birthright for 2 weeks recently (Jewish) with about 33 other people.
He came back about a week ago. Well, about 4 days before he came back, I had a dream that he was lying on the floor with his group. There was this girl, a blonde girl, who had a boyfriend but decided to basically say "fuck you" to her boyfriend and wanted to have sex with my BF. I dreamed that she made a move on him. In the dream, there was someone who thought that they had sex.

Well, this dream bothered the fuck out of me. Since I believe dreams are more than just thoughts, it started to grind at me, but I thought that my BF was an honest person and he would tell me sooner or later if he did something.

Well, a few days ago he told me that there was some girl on his trip (actually 2 girls lol) who made a move on him. They had boyfriends, but apparently they didn't care and wanted to hook up with him. He also told me that there were others in their group who thought that they had hooked up. Of course this bothered me, but I believe him that he did nothing just as my dream had told me.

It is a weird experience, but it is just another confirmation for me that something is talking to me at night and I am grateful for that.

 

[My Higher Self]

i have flashes of future events when awake too, but not too often. felt an accident before it happened a few yrs back, refused to go through an intersection and there was a semi that hit a pick up about 45 seconds later

I haven't posted but a handful of times, but wanted to expand on this story a bit cause I was there and I think the brevity of it really detracts from the impact.

This took place during the one of the many hurricanes that crashed into Florida few years back. The storm was winding down, and we had been hiding out at DM's grandma's house. The kids were tucked safely in bed so we thought we would go out exploring. Power was out, only safety lights were on, intersections had little to no light in them, we were just looking for random damage, knocked down trees etc. We had been driving around for a few minutes sticking to the major roads, hadn't seen much by way of cars. A small handful at best. I was trying my best to be safe, cause you know...driving around during the later part of a hurricane is not necessarily the safest thing anyway. But we had been exploring around town for probably 15-20 minutes, we pull up to a large intersection and I pause to check for other cars before I cross. I started to cross and DM was VERY adamant that I not go straight across the intersection. I pointed out how obviously empty the road was. That we had crossed a dozen equally large intersections already without a peep out of her. Not a car in sight in any direction. She goes on to tell me "that's fine, if you want to go straight, make a right go down the road, make a U turn, then come back and make another right. I tried again to go straight, but for whatever reason it was very disconcerting to her, she insisted that I not go straight across. I said to hell with it, made a right turn, went about, 3 or 4 blocks, turned around and came back and there a Semi Truck had plowed into a pickup truck, pushed it through the light poles brought the traffic lights down in the street. There was already an ambulance or cop car there (some flashing lights don't remember) so we couldn't have possibly missed being at that intersection than by say more than 30 to 60 seconds prior to the accident.

It really was the most impressive example of clairvoyance I have ever seen of anyone. It really left an impression on me.

 

[vegan]

i've had other dreams and strange coincidental occurrences which have warned me about certain people before. but none of them were this literal.

my dreams are extremelly twisted
i mean, extremelly
i visit other worlds, get evil spirits trying to possess me, and so on
most time they are too weird to explain
yet, if i think about them, about 4 times out of 5 i can see an obvious connection with my life

the connection in you dream is obvious
but it doesn't seem weird to me that you it may be about something in your life you wish to happen and not something past
then, only a coincidence factor made this very dream happen at exactly the right moment

once again, for one time that such a coincidence happened, how many times did it not happen?

in the example you give about a relation with a girl
i don't see the rotten fruits as a vision of the future, but only as your subconscious making appearant something that you already supposed deep inside

external factors is exactly why i started this thread. what is this, time vision? or was i somehow psychically attuned to someone listing or intending to list the shoes from the other side of the world? in my case, it could've been either one, but the latter doesn't explain darthmom's experience.

i'm open to the later
although i of course have no explanation to propose for or against

it's the idea of seeing something that will happen in the future that i don't agree with, until given a good explanation

but the latter doesn't explain darthmom's experience.

i would a priori attribute them to the huge number of dreams we have
some come out to be similar to something that happens in the future

Profundo's dream has too many details that match up with the real thing to be a coincidence

then you don't believe in the existence of coincidences

here's an example from wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronicity
"The French writer Émile Deschamps claims in his memoires, that in 1805 he was treated to some plum pudding by a stranger named Monsieur de Fontgibu. Ten years later, the writer encountered plum pudding on the menu of a Paris restaurant, and wanted to order some, but the waiter told him the last dish had already been served to another customer, who turned out to be de Fontgibu. Many years later, in 1832, Émile Deschamps was at a diner, and was once again offered plum pudding. He recalled the earlier incident and told his friends that only de Fontgibu was missing to make the setting complete — and in the same instant, the now senile de Fontgibu entered the room."

you'll agree that it is quite amazing
yet, so many humans have lived on this planet
and they have lived such a number of experiences, that such coincidences are bound to happen by the thousands

Very rarely. I'm sure there are dreams that I have that I don't remember, but the ones I remember that are so vivid it is rare that I don't come across their story one day.

we were talking about the near future, not something that happens once at a point in your life
if you dream you break your arm and it happens 5 years later, well, yes, many people break their arm during their life. so that's not the topic

i see nothing special at all about the story of your boyfriend
he was away, so you were sunconsciously afraid of him being evolved with another girl
no big revelation
a girl did make a move on him. i think that happens often, or we wouldn't be 6 billion on earth
no big revelation either

i have to go and will stop replying here, bye

 

[drugsarentcheap]

I get that ALOT. Its crazy! I feel like its my second chance at doing what i did in the dream on do it better...

 

[L2R]

vegan, i appreciate your counterpoint in this thread and would not like to see you discontinue your contributions.

once again, for one time that such a coincidence happened, how many times did it not happen?

you'll agree that it is quite amazing
yet, so many humans have lived on this planet
and they have lived such a number of experiences, that such coincidences are bound to happen by the thousands

my only bone of contention is towards this rationality. i take it you believe that a 1000 monkeys all typing over an infinite period of time would eventually produce the complete works of shakespear.
imo that argument is absolutely absurd. no specific combination of numbers are a certainty to be drawn in a lottery over an infinite period of time. with only six numbers it may well be extremely likely, but it is not certain.

synchronicity does happen quite regularly. every time someone thinks of someone else who immediately calls or thinks of a song and finds it playing on the radio. these simple one for one matches are common.

but what this thread is about is when the specifics are so detailed and unlikely as to be something more than synchronicity.

 

[vegan]

i don't believe that the monkeys will write something intelligible, but that they may
and if they do, it will only be a coincidence, not a sign of something deeper

now when it comes to writing something that makes sense, the odds are very low

but when it comes to dreaming about shoes that you are crazy about, the odds are quite high (from what you say, they are lower about someone selling them at the same time on ebay, but still, it's what people do on ebay. they sell the stuff they think will get bought)

as a parallel, even though these days i don't have the time to skate much, i still often have dreams in which i skate
if during a session i were to pull a trick that i've dreamt i was doing, i'd see it as having tried it because i had been inspired by my dream, not as the dream being a vision of the future

same in your case
you say that you hadn't been checking ebay for a while
my view is that maybe other pairs had been sold since and that you only checked it this time because of your dream. and yes, you were lucky and it was on sale

but what this thread is about is when the specifics are so detailed and unlikely as to be something more than synchronicity.

in my opinion, out of billions of coincidences that don't happen, still quite a few happen, and a very few of them are striking (such as the plum cake one)

if you believe in the anthropic principle, that's a good example

 

[DarthMom]

"The French writer Émile Deschamps claims in his memoires, that in 1805 he was treated to some plum pudding by a stranger named Monsieur de Fontgibu. Ten years later, the writer encountered plum pudding on the menu of a Paris restaurant, and wanted to order some, but the waiter told him the last dish had already been served to another customer, who turned out to be de Fontgibu. Many years later, in 1832, Émile Deschamps was at a diner, and was once again offered plum pudding. He recalled the earlier incident and told his friends that only de Fontgibu was missing to make the setting complete — and in the same instant, the now senile de Fontgibu entered the room."

you'll agree that it is quite amazing
yet, so many humans have lived on this planet
and they have lived such a number of experiences, that such coincidences are bound to happen by the thousands

the difference here is that some see this as some sort of divine interference and others interpret it as pure coincedence. nothing worth arguing with per se, just an observation to note.

for me coincedences are just that, when they are not astronomically NOT logically just that.

 

[sixpartseven]

The following is a true story. Names and dates have been changed to protect the innocent:

Ive always wanted to say that. But seriously, a little background first. My girlfriend and I had been dating for almost 3 years. We met in August of 2005 when we both worked at Subway.

About 2 weeks ago, I had a dream that I was working at Subway again. I was working and suddenly everyone was really scared and nervous. I went outside and joined the rest of the population of earth (the entire population was gathered in the Subway parking lot) to find out what was going on.

Someone said "Its over." I looked up in the sky and could see the asteroid Apophis that astronomers previously thought was going to impact earth in 2029 or 2036. It was enormous in the daylight sky, but it blocked out the sun so everything was really dark.

I started crying and saying "Its over. It really is over." I went looking for my dad and my girlfriend to be with them but I could only find my dad and started freaking out that I couldnt find my girlfriend when we had so little time left on earth.

That morning, I woke up FROM THAT DREAM to a phone call from my girlfriend telling me she was breaking up with me. I didnt know whether to be mad about that or scared because of the dream she had woken me up from. I think the asteroid about to impact the earth was our relationship coming to an end, and the person telling me "its over" and me repeating "its over. it really is over" was in reference to my girlfriend breaking up with me for good.

I dont know if thats prophetic or coincidence, but it sure as fuck freaked me out.

 

[FrostyMcFailure]

After a bit of drama with paypal, i scored a pair, and since i've been pondering this stupendous coincidence. Nah, seriously, i don't buy it. This is too unlikely to be just coincidence.

i said it in one thread so i'll say it again. We create our reality & subconsciously(dreaming) your probably tapping into that & glimpsing the immediate-near future, sometimes even future events that are likely to occur in years from the dream.

 

[MynameisnotDeja]

you may even very well have dreamt of such an auction before, but didn't think about it again because nothing reminded you of it

I disagree with this.

I do dream every night and no, of course all my dreams are not prophetic. But my prophetic dreams are always noticeably different than my normal, everyday, stuff-going-on-in-my-subconscious sort of dreams. It's like comparing apples and oranges for me.

I have a few different types of dreams, the prophetic type being only one of them. I usually remember almost all my dreams as well.

 

[L2R]

i said it in one thread so i'll say it again. We create our reality & subconsciously(dreaming) your probably tapping into that & glimpsing the immediate-near future, sometimes even future events that are likely to occur in years from the dream.

i see connections to dreams all the time, i made that thread since it was so precisely specific it was uncanny. tb h, i can't think of/remember a dream that uncanny.

 

[lostNfound]

if our conscious mind is the size of a marble
our subconscious mind is the size of basketball

generally we operate on autopilot in the way live our lives to day through learned behaviours

our unconscious subconscious dream state the way i see it must be so chaotic at times with so much going on beneath the surface many dreams are just crap

but on occasion i believe we do get strong messages from our dreams

personally, i would not put this down to coincidence

 

[MynameisnotDeja]

The following is a true story. Names and dates have been changed to protect the innocent:

Ive always wanted to say that. But seriously, a little background first. My girlfriend and I had been dating for almost 3 years. We met in August of 2005 when we both worked at Subway.

About 2 weeks ago, I had a dream that I was working at Subway again. I was working and suddenly everyone was really scared and nervous. I went outside and joined the rest of the population of earth (the entire population was gathered in the Subway parking lot) to find out what was going on.

Someone said "Its over." I looked up in the sky and could see the asteroid Apophis that astronomers previously thought was going to impact earth in 2029 or 2036. It was enormous in the daylight sky, but it blocked out the sun so everything was really dark.

I started crying and saying "Its over. It really is over." I went looking for my dad and my girlfriend to be with them but I could only find my dad and started freaking out that I couldnt find my girlfriend when we had so little time left on earth.

That morning, I woke up FROM THAT DREAM to a phone call from my girlfriend telling me she was breaking up with me. I didnt know whether to be mad about that or scared because of the dream she had woken me up from. I think the asteroid about to impact the earth was our relationship coming to an end, and the person telling me "its over" and me repeating "its over. it really is over" was in reference to my girlfriend breaking up with me for good.

I dont know if thats prophetic or coincidence, but it sure as fuck freaked me out.

Very good dream analysis there. Makes sense to me.

but on occasion i believe we do get strong messages from our dreams

personally, i would not put this down to coincidence

If people learned to listen to their dreams they would be a lot better off, no doubt, regardless of whether or not they think dreams can be prophetic.

Something that is always bothered me isnt the use of the word coincidence, but rather, "JUST" a coincidence. Why make light of something amazing and awesome which can mean something for your life? To me it's like purposefully trying to make things NOT have meaning. We decide the meaning of our lives and the things that happen to us. So to me, all coincidences are special.

 

[lostNfound]

I find deja vu to be a special moment whenever it happens, which is fairly frquent with me.

 

[Lysis]

Man, this thread brought back memories. I have completely lost my faith from when I had it in July last year. I still feel really weird about the dream I had and what came around for me, but I've lost all faith in these things. This thread kinda made me sad about it too.

I even remember reading vegan's post and thinking "STFU vegan!" LOL