Mr Blonde
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Merging into the CWE mega thread. Read the first post for more information on the CWE process.
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a couple things to add
- You should be getting some residue in the filter
which seems extremely obvious but provided that you kept the solution cold enough and well mixed , that residue will be mostly Apap and fillers. If you don't get that residue your filter isn't doing its job (and vice versa - if you squeeze through the filter and you get residue , at least you taking away some of the nasty tylenol) this is probably true for t-shirts etc...
I usually squeeze the filter over a different container (if ive been slow filtering in a container) so that if it breaks I'm not extremely pissed lol
- You should be getting some residue in the filter
which seems extremely obvious but provided that you kept the solution cold enough and well mixed , that residue will be mostly Apap and fillers. If you don't get that residue your filter isn't doing its job (and vice versa - if you squeeze through the filter and you get residue , at least you taking away some of the nasty tylenol) this is probably true for t-shirts etc...
I usually squeeze the filter over a different container (if ive been slow filtering in a container) so that if it breaks I'm not extremely pissed lol
PillPoppingAnimal
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cuz i said more APAP will get thru, and less opiate will get thru if the tempurature has risen
diddymal
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What sort of filter are you guys using? From my experience using a coffee filter, squeezing it leaves a large chance you'll bust open the filter, also whenever I squeezed it a large amount of residue made it's way into the otherwise clear codeine solution. This to me seems like squeezing the pack just leaves more unwanted chemicals in the product for little codeine gain.
Also, I don't see the point of heating and cooling the water. I've had codeine more times than I can count and room temperature water does just fine, the filtering only takes about 15 mintues too.
Also, I don't see the point of heating and cooling the water. I've had codeine more times than I can count and room temperature water does just fine, the filtering only takes about 15 mintues too.
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Wet them and squeeze out excess water before use and you're good to go! Only thing is you have to wash them out afterwards instead of throwing away like coffee filters but it only takes a minute... last time I used coffee filters they broke twice in a row and I ended up losing 1/2 my water!
Wet them and squeeze out excess water before use and you're good to go! Only thing is you have to wash them out afterwards instead of throwing away like coffee filters but it only takes a minute... last time I used coffee filters they broke twice in a row and I ended up losing 1/2 my water!
do you mean room temp. when you first mix it , or room temp the whole time and you never cool the water to 40?degrees Fahrenheit ?
Codeine dissolves into either temperature, but tylenol can not dissolve into near freezing water temperature. So the tylenol can't go through the filter in near freezing temperatures , but it can in room temp water.
mnd-
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Howdy ho folks!
Can anyone recommend me something to mix with the codeine extract so that it won't taste so devilishly bitter as it does?
I was thinking of using juice or something, but I'm afraid I'll "destroy" the codeine in some way since the juice contains acids and such.. :/
Suggestions?
Can anyone recommend me something to mix with the codeine extract so that it won't taste so devilishly bitter as it does?
I was thinking of using juice or something, but I'm afraid I'll "destroy" the codeine in some way since the juice contains acids and such.. :/
Suggestions?
monstanoodle
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I must stress that you really, really really really don't need to use warm water or heat the water in any manner at all during the process. It is completely unnecessary. Honestly
All Codeine / Hydrocodone will be taken into the solution regardless of temperature (the only possible exception would be if the water is close to freezing).
Heating the water allows more Paracetamol to be taken into the solution, which you then cool and it falls out of the solution again.
It's an unnecessary step. Instead of going "Step 1-2-3" you can go "Step 1-3" and save time (and energy if we're gunna get all Green Peace about things
hehe).*Falls over*
Mr Blonde
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JayKay said:
I have never seen any chem info saying APAP won't dissolve in near freezing water. The lowest I've seen is that it's solubility at 22 degrees Celsius is 1 gram per 100mL of water, but no info on anything lower then that. Theoretically you will, of course, get less dissolving in near freezing water then you would hot water, but I have not seen any information on what the solubility levels are like.
I never heat nor chill nor my water, I just use it as is out of the tap.
mnd- said:
Using juice will be fine. I've also seen people recommend using Kool-Aid before. Experiment with drinks you like and find something that makes it more palatable, because there is nothing worse then throwing up a CWE because of the taste and then having to drink it again.
Before the Wake
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Alright, I ended up making my first serious attempt two days ago (I loathe sounding like a newb 
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Complete failure.
I used 50ml ice-cold water for 16 tablets 222's = 128 mg codeine. I figured this would be a suitable dose for me, as I shouldn't have had much of a tolerance. I'd taken a total of 24 mg (simply for pain relief) a day prior, and 90 mg (in the form of three T3's) * 2 days, a week prior to that. Prior to that, I hadn't touched codeine or any opiate for months.
My procedure went as follows:
- crushed the tabs into powder
- poured powder into a glass containing 50 ml ice-cold water (I've heard a lot of debate about whether or not stirring destroys or compromises the integrity of the codeine phosphate, so I figured I wouldn't stir, and instead pour the pills into the water. The powder ended up clumping together, suspended in the water, and didn't seem to be going anywhere, thus I stirred, gently and slowly until the mixture seemed homogeneous.)
- filtered through two wet coffee filters, squeezing the water through
- drank
The resulting liquid was rather cloudy, not opaque... perhaps a 50% opacity. And ya, it was like sucking on a lemon.
I'm questioning my method used. Even if I'd lost 25% of the potential codeine yield, I should've been consuming 96 mg codeine, which should have given me some noticeable effect. It would seem like a I lost a lot more.
One thing I may have done incorrectly, was left whatever sludge didn't pour out of the initial mixing glass into my filter, in the glass. I didn't clean up for about an hour, and when I came back to the glass of sludge, I noticed a good teaspoon of water had separated.
Could it be tolerance? The half-life of codeine is only, what, 2.5-4 hours? A couple of days should be enough to drop my tolerance to 0, shouldn't it?
My primary concern: Does anyone have a conclusive answer as to whether stirring is detrimental to the desired output? I've done some searching/reading on these forums, to find in large part, the rantings of someone with a clear multiple personality disorder, and nothing conclusive.
).Complete failure.
I used 50ml ice-cold water for 16 tablets 222's = 128 mg codeine. I figured this would be a suitable dose for me, as I shouldn't have had much of a tolerance. I'd taken a total of 24 mg (simply for pain relief) a day prior, and 90 mg (in the form of three T3's) * 2 days, a week prior to that. Prior to that, I hadn't touched codeine or any opiate for months.
My procedure went as follows:
- crushed the tabs into powder
- poured powder into a glass containing 50 ml ice-cold water (I've heard a lot of debate about whether or not stirring destroys or compromises the integrity of the codeine phosphate, so I figured I wouldn't stir, and instead pour the pills into the water. The powder ended up clumping together, suspended in the water, and didn't seem to be going anywhere, thus I stirred, gently and slowly until the mixture seemed homogeneous.)
- filtered through two wet coffee filters, squeezing the water through
- drank
The resulting liquid was rather cloudy, not opaque... perhaps a 50% opacity. And ya, it was like sucking on a lemon.
I'm questioning my method used. Even if I'd lost 25% of the potential codeine yield, I should've been consuming 96 mg codeine, which should have given me some noticeable effect. It would seem like a I lost a lot more.
One thing I may have done incorrectly, was left whatever sludge didn't pour out of the initial mixing glass into my filter, in the glass. I didn't clean up for about an hour, and when I came back to the glass of sludge, I noticed a good teaspoon of water had separated.
Could it be tolerance? The half-life of codeine is only, what, 2.5-4 hours? A couple of days should be enough to drop my tolerance to 0, shouldn't it?
My primary concern: Does anyone have a conclusive answer as to whether stirring is detrimental to the desired output? I've done some searching/reading on these forums, to find in large part, the rantings of someone with a clear multiple personality disorder, and nothing conclusive.
Jabberwocky
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^i dont use codeine too much these days, but your tolerance seems to have risen. what was your tolerance like before you hadnt used for a few months? it seems to be a regular factor that when you get back on the wagon your tolerance will get right back up there in no time.
a few days of continued (increased dosages too) use will definitely increase your tolerance. perhaps try a higher dose or even use an anti-histamine to potentiate the codeine.
as for the stirring question : it's never been detrimental to any of my extractions. in my opinion youre going to want to aggitate the solution so the codeine is actually going to be absorbed as much as possible.
or you may have just botched your extraction. i doubt it though. everything you did seems fine to me. it's pretty hard to fuck up a CWE on codeine
try swigging down a dose of 800mg+, its fucking horrible
cordial is your friend.
a few days of continued (increased dosages too) use will definitely increase your tolerance. perhaps try a higher dose or even use an anti-histamine to potentiate the codeine.
as for the stirring question : it's never been detrimental to any of my extractions. in my opinion youre going to want to aggitate the solution so the codeine is actually going to be absorbed as much as possible.
or you may have just botched your extraction. i doubt it though. everything you did seems fine to me. it's pretty hard to fuck up a CWE on codeine
^ I actually like the taste... maybe just because it tastes nicer than chugging down cough medicine
Besides there's not much to swallow, only one or two swigs. Chase!
try swigging down a dose of 800mg+, its fucking horrible
cordial is your friend.^ I was going to try this but only had Bitter Lemon cordial! I kid you not
No, it doesn't destroy the codeine. Codeine is pretty stable - just think they have to mix it all together to create the pills in the first place.
In fact I can't think of any medication that could be degraded by simple agitation. If it were it would simply be too inconvenient and they would come up with another way to achieve the desired result.
Temperature, however, is your enemy. Using hot water is definitely detrimental to codeine.
Sounds like you did your CWE correct. Perhaps you are just a low metaboliser - were you using anything else with it (anti-histamines, grapefruit juice etc)? If you were and were inhibiting your CYP2D6 enzyme, there's a chance that you are a low metaboliser and simply inhibited all the function you had. Codeine never worked for me until I stopped taking promethazine before the codeine, and started taking it during the come up.
If you didn't have any bad reaction to the codeine, yeah perhaps try a higher dose next time (wait a few days or a week). Also avoid using it at all during that time.
Before the Wake;7093110I said:
No, it doesn't destroy the codeine. Codeine is pretty stable - just think they have to mix it all together to create the pills in the first place.
In fact I can't think of any medication that could be degraded by simple agitation. If it were it would simply be too inconvenient and they would come up with another way to achieve the desired result.
Temperature, however, is your enemy. Using hot water is definitely detrimental to codeine.
Sounds like you did your CWE correct. Perhaps you are just a low metaboliser - were you using anything else with it (anti-histamines, grapefruit juice etc)? If you were and were inhibiting your CYP2D6 enzyme, there's a chance that you are a low metaboliser and simply inhibited all the function you had. Codeine never worked for me until I stopped taking promethazine before the codeine, and started taking it during the come up.
If you didn't have any bad reaction to the codeine, yeah perhaps try a higher dose next time (wait a few days or a week). Also avoid using it at all during that time.
Mr Blonde
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Before the Wake said:
96mg isn't a lot of codeine, I wouldn't have felt much off that when I had zero tolerance and if you had eaten recently before that it would have affected it as well.
Before the Wake
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I'd only used codeine as prescribed for pain, in the form of T3's. 96 mg would be higher than anything I've consumed previously.
Negative. Empty stomach as well.
I did have some slight chest pain... stabbing sensations. Could have been entirely psychosomatic - high anxiety. Or perhaps an interaction with the 4 mg Lorazepam I take daily (?). Reminder, this is being done with 222's - ASA, not APAP/Paracetamol.
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OntarioGuy
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Letting A Codeine CWE Sit over night?
Hey I did UTFSE,but couldn't find what I was looking for.
Would it be okay if I did a CWE on some Codeine,and then let it sit in the fridge over night?Like,will the water degrade the Codeine or anything?
I ask because I know I'm gonna wake up sick,and Don't feel like waiting for the filtering process when I wake up.
Hey I did UTFSE,but couldn't find what I was looking for.
Would it be okay if I did a CWE on some Codeine,and then let it sit in the fridge over night?Like,will the water degrade the Codeine or anything?
I ask because I know I'm gonna wake up sick,and Don't feel like waiting for the filtering process when I wake up.
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
you would have found the cwe mega thread i'll merge this in there for you.
as far as i know it is fine to leave the solution over night in the fridge. you could leave it at room temperature to im sure. someone correct me if im wrong on that.
i'll merge this in there for you.as far as i know it is fine to leave the solution over night in the fridge. you could leave it at room temperature to im sure. someone correct me if im wrong on that.
OntarioGuy
Greenlighter
Thanks Leftwing.Quite a speedy response too!
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
no problems, brother, s'what im here for.
mango salsa
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Just tried out my first CWE today with some Vicodin 7.5/750. Everything turned out ok except for a few things.
First, I forgot to wet my coffee filter before straining the solution so when I poured the solution in, the whole filter got wet and I'm sure I lost some of the hydro solution in the coffee filter.
Second, I got impatient letting it strain through, so I fiddled with the filter and accidentally spilled a little bit of the APAP goop into the collecting cup. But no big deal because when I saw how much APAP was left behind after squeezing the filter, I was amazed. Before starting to use the CWE, I was taking 6 vics a day, nearly 4000 mg of tylenol. It just recently started causing me stomach problems and difficulty urinating. I'm glad I tried this out today, hopefully I will perfect the process soon.
Also, what else do you recommend I use for a filter other than coffee filters? It takes way too long to filter out this stuff. How long do you guys wait for it to filter through?
First, I forgot to wet my coffee filter before straining the solution so when I poured the solution in, the whole filter got wet and I'm sure I lost some of the hydro solution in the coffee filter.
Second, I got impatient letting it strain through, so I fiddled with the filter and accidentally spilled a little bit of the APAP goop into the collecting cup. But no big deal because when I saw how much APAP was left behind after squeezing the filter, I was amazed. Before starting to use the CWE, I was taking 6 vics a day, nearly 4000 mg of tylenol. It just recently started causing me stomach problems and difficulty urinating. I'm glad I tried this out today, hopefully I will perfect the process soon.
Also, what else do you recommend I use for a filter other than coffee filters? It takes way too long to filter out this stuff. How long do you guys wait for it to filter through?
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