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Just tried out my first CWE today with some Vicodin 7.5/750. Everything turned out ok except for a few things.

First, I forgot to wet my coffee filter before straining the solution so when I poured the solution in, the whole filter got wet and I'm sure I lost some of the hydro solution in the coffee filter.

Second, I got impatient letting it strain through, so I fiddled with the filter and accidentally spilled a little bit of the APAP goop into the collecting cup. But no big deal because when I saw how much APAP was left behind after squeezing the filter, I was amazed. Before starting to use the CWE, I was taking 6 vics a day, nearly 4000 mg of tylenol. It just recently started causing me stomach problems and difficulty urinating. I'm glad I tried this out today, hopefully I will perfect the process soon.

Also, what else do you recommend I use for a filter other than coffee filters? It takes way too long to filter out this stuff. How long do you guys wait for it to filter through?

Trying to filter the entire thing through coffee filters will take forever. Use a piece of tightly woven cotton (often described as dress shirt like material.) and use it on top of the coffee filter. After it goes through for a while, you can squeeze the cloth into the coffee filter and it will have alot less to do.

I don't care what anyone else says, a t-shirt or sock or whatever is insufficient because it will allow too much APAP through. If you can't find an old dress shirt to use, think about a cloth napkin or something like that. Heck, you can even purchase plain cloth at a Wal-Mart or other store that carries cloth, look for plain muslin cloth. You can get a ton of it for cheap.

I'm really glad you are CWE'ing! Your health and liver will thank you!
 
I find a coffee filter the best method, I used to use tissues on top of an old business shirt, but I was getting a lot of APAP through and ending up with a very cloudy mixture, which I figured couldn't be healthy for my liver. Using a coffee filter it comes out almost crystal clear, with a slight fogginess that's barely noticeable. I figure that sparing my body the extra strain is probably worth waiting half an hour or so for.

Dokomo's suggestion of using a shirt then squeezing the rest through a coffee filter might be a good idea though, you get roughly the same filtering effect, but can speed it up and should get more of the drug in question out.
 
^^^^I like coffee filters as well...I usually CWE around 400 mg's of codeine,and my extractions are almost crystal clear,you just need patience
 
Well, I feel bad to say that even though I've always known how bad acetaminophen is in high doses, but I've never ever done a CWE before tonight, even though I've known about the process for a few years now. I can only imagine what damage I've done to my liver from all of the APAP, and I decided that tonight I would do my first CWE and be safe about it instead of eating 6 7.5/750 hydrocodone/apap tablets(generic vicodin).

Thank you for the simple method, Mr. Blonde.

I'm looking forward to the nod, as I'm on the verge of one right now, but just couldn't bring myself to consume anymore APAP today, as I'm already over the 4g limit. Besides, I'm spending tomorrow with the g/f, and really don't want to be feeling all icky from too much apap, as I've always been able to do large doses of Oxy and morphine one night and feel just fine the next day, but I always find myself nauseous the day after taking a lot of Vicodin or Percocet.

Now for the wait, and then the nod... =D
 
Well, I feel bad to say that even though I've always known how bad acetaminophen is in high doses, but I've never ever done a CWE before tonight, even though I've known about the process for a few years now. I can only imagine what damage I've done to my liver from all of the APAP, and I decided that tonight I would do my first CWE and be safe about it instead of eating 6 7.5/750 hydrocodone/apap tablets(generic vicodin).

Thank you for the simple method, Mr. Blonde.

I'm looking forward to the nod, as I'm on the verge of one right now, but just couldn't bring myself to consume anymore APAP today, as I'm already over the 4g limit. Besides, I'm spending tomorrow with the g/f, and really don't want to be feeling all icky from too much apap, as I've always been able to do large doses of Oxy and morphine one night and feel just fine the next day, but I always find myself nauseous the day after taking a lot of Vicodin or Percocet.

Now for the wait, and then the nod... =D

I never did a CWE either when taking APAP mixed drugs (vicodin). I often dosed well over 10g of APAP on a daily basis. The weird thing is my liver tested normal every time.

Still, it was extremely stupid of me, and I would never abuse a drug like that again. Shit, at one time, I took 19g at once... :(
 
Just tried out my first CWE today with some Vicodin 7.5/750. Everything turned out ok except for a few things.

First, I forgot to wet my coffee filter before straining the solution so when I poured the solution in, the whole filter got wet and I'm sure I lost some of the hydro solution in the coffee filter.

Second, I got impatient letting it strain through, so I fiddled with the filter and accidentally spilled a little bit of the APAP goop into the collecting cup. But no big deal because when I saw how much APAP was left behind after squeezing the filter, I was amazed. Before starting to use the CWE, I was taking 6 vics a day, nearly 4000 mg of tylenol. It just recently started causing me stomach problems and difficulty urinating. I'm glad I tried this out today, hopefully I will perfect the process soon.

Also, what else do you recommend I use for a filter other than coffee filters? It takes way too long to filter out this stuff. How long do you guys wait for it to filter through?

I use boardshorts. They have a pretty tight 'weave', much tighter than a t-shirt. I don't leave it sitting there filtering, just carefully twist the top together so no solids can get out, then squeeze it dry. Works perfectly. I also use tabs with ibuprofen instead of paracetamol just to be sure.
 
Am i doing somthing wrong guys? I attempted a CWE today on 8 codeine tablets ( 500mg paracetamol 15mg coedine ) left it in the fridge over night to filter through, took a very long time, but i ended up with a clear solution and all the white gunk left in the filter... it tasted very bitter, sort of simular to a lemon, but i felt no affects at all? I have no opiate tollerance at all and have never used any before, so surely 120mg of codeine would have done something? I've got a bad cold atm with a soar throat and back pains, it didn't even have any noticeable pain killing effect on this.

Am i doing somthing wrong? I'm a bit reluctant to try again as i don't like the thought of all that paracetamol!
 
I thought I'd register to post here since this is by far the best and most thorough topic I've seen on the matter of CWE.

As I'm typing this, I've just done about 400mg of codeine (I have an incredibly high tolerance from doing it so much) and I feel great so I consider myself something of a pro on the matter.

Here's some tips:
- I find using water straight from the tap and stored in the fridge for about 10 minutes to work the best. The few degrees difference in temperature just helps to keep that little bit more of the secondary ingredient out. I don't want anyone's liver damaged.
- Don't bother measuring out the water. None of that 2ml per tablet crap. I find a general approximation works quite well (just don't be stupid) and making it so exact just adds to the paranoia for newbies (e.g. "Oh shit, if I don't get the 2ml exactly right, something might go wrong") which may well ruin the experience.
- This is my personal favourite filter: cut a small square (big enough to cover your glass/water holder) out of one side of an old t-shirt and put it tightly over the top -- keep it in place with a hairband -- works incredibly well. Then tip it upside down into a bigger container and allow it to filter.
- It tastes fucking awful. If it's your first time doing it, be warned. Have something close at hand to wash it down with. If you've got a particularly weak stomach, you may well spit it out.
- Dissolvable 8/500 blends work incredibly well but I've tried it with many different things before (including a rather potent 30/500 blend).
- Quite a few people experience a negative reaction (or no reaction at all), so it's well worth trying a small amount (60-90mg) first, especially if you've never used codeine before or infrequently. I've used it so much (as a painkiller as well as recreationally) that anything less than 300mg is a waste of time for me. But 400 or 500 puts me in a strange trance-like state (hardcore dance music currently sounds VERY good!)
- There is such a thing as using too much codeine. Don't think because you've gotten rid of the aspirin/paracetamol/whatever that you're suddenly drinking nothing. In large quantities, the codeine is even more dangerous. I'm a bit of a hypocrite here but I wouldn't really recommend going above 300-400mg unless you really can't get high on anything less.

Stay safe and have fun.
 
Am i doing somthing wrong guys? I attempted a CWE today on 8 codeine tablets ( 500mg paracetamol 15mg coedine ) left it in the fridge over night to filter through, took a very long time, but i ended up with a clear solution and all the white gunk left in the filter... it tasted very bitter, sort of simular to a lemon, but i felt no affects at all? I have no opiate tollerance at all and have never used any before, so surely 120mg of codeine would have done something? I've got a bad cold atm with a soar throat and back pains, it didn't even have any noticeable pain killing effect on this.

Am i doing somthing wrong? I'm a bit reluctant to try again as i don't like the thought of all that paracetamol!

120 mg may be a little too low for you,or you might be in the small percentage of the population that doesn't metabolize codeine properly(or well)
 
Wish I knew about this 10 yrs earlier

I have chronic pain and used to live in Tx but moved to the UK. When in Tx I used to get hydrocodone and 100 tabs was cool each month, but since moving to the UK and the difference in drugs means that I take Dihydrocodeine 224 30 mg tabs a month which last me about a week and then I am buying and taking OTC codeine/DHC products ie: co-codamol,paramol etc.. and taking the whole 32 tabs orally in 24hrs.

I have had all my blood work done about 2 months ago and it was all fine and I feel ok, so I am going to try Mr B simple CWE method.

How well does this work with Solpadeine MAX as it has 12.5mg codeine hemihydrate? It also states it contaisn lactose. I assume this isn't a problem??
 
Am i doing somthing wrong guys? I attempted a CWE today on 8 codeine tablets ( 500mg paracetamol 15mg coedine ) left it in the fridge over night to filter through, took a very long time, but i ended up with a clear solution and all the white gunk left in the filter... it tasted very bitter, sort of simular to a lemon, but i felt no affects at all? I have no opiate tollerance at all and have never used any before, so surely 120mg of codeine would have done something? I've got a bad cold atm with a soar throat and back pains, it didn't even have any noticeable pain killing effect on this.

Am i doing somthing wrong? I'm a bit reluctant to try again as i don't like the thought of all that paracetamol!

I would try it again with slightly more (perhaps 200mg) but be careful not to use too much more than that because if you don't have a tolerance yet, that's a pretty high dose. OntarioGuy also has a point; 1 in 12 or so people find codeine completely ineffective, although you'd have to be fairly unlucky to be one of them so I'd try an increased amount before assuming the worst. Don't worry about the paracetamol, if you're performing the procedure right, you have nothing to worry about. I've used 80 pills in one CWE before, which would probably have killed me had the paracetamol gotten through. It's perfectly safe.
 
How well does this work with Solpadeine MAX as it has 12.5mg codeine hemihydrate? It also states it contaisn lactose. I assume this isn't a problem??

Tried it and it works fine as long as you do it right. Your liver is probably very grateful you're going to be doing CWE instead of just taking them.
 
Am i doing somthing wrong guys? I attempted a CWE today on 8 codeine tablets ( 500mg paracetamol 15mg coedine ) left it in the fridge over night to filter through, took a very long time, but i ended up with a clear solution and all the white gunk left in the filter... it tasted very bitter, sort of simular to a lemon, but i felt no affects at all? I have no opiate tollerance at all and have never used any before, so surely 120mg of codeine would have done something? I've got a bad cold atm with a soar throat and back pains, it didn't even have any noticeable pain killing effect on this.

Am i doing somthing wrong? I'm a bit reluctant to try again as i don't like the thought of all that paracetamol!

You could be deficient in the enzyme responsible for metabolizing Codeine into Morphine. You're one of the unlucky few if that's the case mate :\ Sorry man.
 
21 10/500 Generic tabsules (ugh! you know, those capsule shaped tablets?)
75-80mls COLD water. (Frozen in freezer overnight, let thaw for a few hours in the morning. Still with chunk of ice floating in it)
2 coffee filters, one inside the other, placed in a funnel.

Crush pills in jar with a clean coffee tamp, put water in jar. Shake shake stir stir shake stir for about 5 minutes.
Run some water through filters to wet them a bit.
Solution poured into filtration apparatus.
Leave in a cool, dark place for a coupla hours, undisturbed.

What kind of results would that yield?
 
okay guys heres my input on cwe!

step 1
before you bother to potentially waste any pills try a dummy run of the filtration process. i did this with a number of different materials such as shirt, 2 hankies folded over, kitchen towel and finally coffee filters.

the importance of this step is to ascertain which of the available materials you happen to have lying around at home offers the best filtering and will therefore get more apap etc out of your solution.
the most suitable material will be the one which takes longer for a measured amount of water to pass thru it.

i personally found that 2 coffee filters one inside the other offers great filtration!

step2
when you have selected your filtration material and are ready to do the cwe for real use a smallish funnel and trim the material so it fits in the funnel.

the reason for this step is that most materials work like a wick even when pre-wet. therefore if you used a whole shirt with a bit of cloth over your glass, the wick process would make some of your solution spread out and soak into the rest of the shirt. although you can wring this out, there will always be a loss of the good stuff!

step 3

whether you add the water to your crushed pills or the pills to the water you will notice that in your glass/container there is instantly visible clumps of seemingly non-disolvable powder which still remains after stirring. it is easy to assume that this is just apap etc and that the process is working. however i found that some of this lumpy material is still dry on the inside of the lump!! what you need to do is use the back of a spoon to squash and grind these lumps against the side of the glass/container.

the reason for this step is to ensure that every grain of powder put into the glass gets wet enabling all of the good stuff to dissolve into the solution. what you are left with is a cloudy solution.

step 4

put your cloudy solution into the freezer for a few minutes, when you remove it you will notice that the white lumps have reformed, only this time you can be sure that no codeine is trapped within them!!!

step 5

filter solution through 2 coffee filters ( or the best available material you have as per step 1) which should be trimmed to fit into a funnel and pour through the funnel via the filter into your second glass/container. remove the filter squeeze out any liquid that has soaked into the filter.

this solution is now ready to drink.




**** for those who have tried cwe and have reported a weak high, following
the above steps should see an increase in the potency of your results.


general tips

1) coffee filters are the best i've found for cwe. but i use prescription 30/500 capsules which means i need to filter less pills.

2) if you use otc 8s, 10s, or 12.5s and therefore more pills or in any instance where you find yourself needing more than 10 pills you will find that the apap almost blocks coffee filters and the process can take ages. what i do is follow the above steps using 2 coffee filters for each 10 tablets and use 50ml of cold water. limiting the amount of water in this way, reduces the risk of apap etc poisoning because there is a limit to its solubility.

so for 20 pills i will do 2 cwe's each with 50ml of cold water and for 30 pills i will do 3 cwe's each with 50ml cold water etc etc.
this can be a bit of a chore but the results speak for themselves.

i hope this information helps. if anybody has any questions, just post em on here.

cheers, and good luck

kay-jay =D
 
I like to squeeze the liquid through a tightly woven shirt because this seperates it from most of the gunk. Then I filter the now much less gunky solution through 2 coffee filters. Make sure you pre wet the shirt/fabric and the coffee filters so it doesn't take any of your precious opiated water.
 
21 10/500 Generic tabsules (ugh! you know, those capsule shaped tablets?)
75-80mls COLD water. (Frozen in freezer overnight, let thaw for a few hours in the morning. Still with chunk of ice floating in it)
2 coffee filters, one inside the other, placed in a funnel.

Crush pills in jar with a clean coffee tamp, put water in jar. Shake shake stir stir shake stir for about 5 minutes.
Run some water through filters to wet them a bit.
Solution poured into filtration apparatus.
Leave in a cool, dark place for a coupla hours, undisturbed.

What kind of results would that yield?

I don't understand how people get their CWEs to take so long. From start to consumption takes me about 15 minutes every time and I haven't died yet.

Should work fine bro. Your mileage may vary depending on the concentration of your results and your own tolerance to opiates though.
 
It's because they go about using hot / warm water, letting tablets dissolve instead of just crushing them and adding them to tap cold water and putting the warm water in the freezer to cool.
It's a lot of unnecessary fiddle-faddle-fuddle in my eyes.
 
15 minute CWE:

- Pour a small amount of cold tap water into a glass roughly approximate to the number of tablets you wish to use (don't take more than 30 seconds "getting it right").
- Use fucking dissolvable tablets, they are so much quicker and take no effort whatsoever.
- Filter using some material (a square cut out of one side of a t-shirt works miracles), a rubber band/hairband and a slightly bigger glass by tipping the covered smaller glass upside down into the bigger.
- Should be filtered in 5-10 minutes.
- Down that shit.

Seriously, you're wasting your time with any additional steps. I'm doing CWEs with 50 tablets or more and haven't had any unwanted side-effects.
 
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