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Neo-Doves test results
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Ok tried the neo doves last night and later in the night the sub cocas.
The best way to explain them, the rushes from neo doves are just as good as e, actually i had some last night that have topped most e expriences but when your not rushing you dont have that e munted feeling its almost like your straight then get a rush and go straight again.
Dont know if that makes sense but it was the best way i could discribe it.
When on neo-doves i didnt feel like doing much. When later in the night i did a SC/ND mix and i had the intense rushes with energy to do things. There was actually one point when i went outside and was rushing so hard i had to go back inside.
We also went for a walk, as this person lives in the forrest and we ended up walking the wrong way for 6km and none of seemed to mind, we walked for about 4.5hours straight with half ass attempts to locate the house. We eventually got home.
Ok the comedown, now i am normally the comedown king, i have the worst of anyone i have seen. But normally when i start to come down bad i know i can sleep, where as my mrs has a mild come down put cant sleep.
Also i struggle if its daylight when i get home and it was.
Well we got home at about 7:30 and had crazy e sex for 2 hours and then tried to get to sleep. Like normal e comedown mind is ticking over and telling myself to shutup. Got to sleep at about 10 but it wasnt a deep sleep. My mrs got up and started doing stuff around the house. I woke at about 1pm got up had some lunch and i was feeling tired again. Went back into the bedroom and my mrs was asleep. Then had another probably 2hrs and she had probably 3hrs.
Now people who say there is no come down, this wasnt true for me there is its just it aint as bad as what an e comedown is. The next day i feel body tired but my mind is clear. I think if i had to do it again i would want to have some benzo's to knock me out.
The best way to explain them, the rushes from neo doves are just as good as e, actually i had some last night that have topped most e expriences but when your not rushing you dont have that e munted feeling its almost like your straight then get a rush and go straight again.
Dont know if that makes sense but it was the best way i could discribe it.
When on neo-doves i didnt feel like doing much. When later in the night i did a SC/ND mix and i had the intense rushes with energy to do things. There was actually one point when i went outside and was rushing so hard i had to go back inside.
We also went for a walk, as this person lives in the forrest and we ended up walking the wrong way for 6km and none of seemed to mind, we walked for about 4.5hours straight with half ass attempts to locate the house. We eventually got home.
Ok the comedown, now i am normally the comedown king, i have the worst of anyone i have seen. But normally when i start to come down bad i know i can sleep, where as my mrs has a mild come down put cant sleep.
Also i struggle if its daylight when i get home and it was.
Well we got home at about 7:30 and had crazy e sex for 2 hours and then tried to get to sleep. Like normal e comedown mind is ticking over and telling myself to shutup. Got to sleep at about 10 but it wasnt a deep sleep. My mrs got up and started doing stuff around the house. I woke at about 1pm got up had some lunch and i was feeling tired again. Went back into the bedroom and my mrs was asleep. Then had another probably 2hrs and she had probably 3hrs.
Now people who say there is no come down, this wasnt true for me there is its just it aint as bad as what an e comedown is. The next day i feel body tired but my mind is clear. I think if i had to do it again i would want to have some benzo's to knock me out.
Happy2c-ib
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I also really really want to hear if anyones dropped an md pill after Sub-cocas. I am planning on dropping a couple of SC's then an md pill about 3 hours later. Want to know wether the SC's will effect the e peak and if there are any bad side effects from doing this such as exploding neurons or the like ![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
phase_dancer
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^ Do you know what the active compounds are in the sub cocas? If not, then how does one begin answering your question?
Until these compounds are identified, no-one yet knows what interactions/ toxic effects may occur when taken with other drugs.
I'm not trying to preach to you not to do it, but rather to point out that there's many unknowns here. HR guidelines would say 'make an informed choice' but as yet, excepting starboy's findings, no-one has been able to offer much information at all. Anecdotal accounts, while important, do not paint the whole picture, particularly when it comes to neurotoxic profiles, interactions etc.
Until these compounds are identified, no-one yet knows what interactions/ toxic effects may occur when taken with other drugs.
I'm not trying to preach to you not to do it, but rather to point out that there's many unknowns here. HR guidelines would say 'make an informed choice' but as yet, excepting starboy's findings, no-one has been able to offer much information at all. Anecdotal accounts, while important, do not paint the whole picture, particularly when it comes to neurotoxic profiles, interactions etc.
Happy2c-ib
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^Yeah i know your right in what your saying, so many unknown variables. Still would like to know if anyones done it so at least if there have been immediate adverse affects then i would probably not do it.
3 to the 3
Bluelighter
Tried the ND2s on Friday, very nice indeed, pitty they are history...
There are still definitely comedowns from all of these products... Drink plenty of water and dose up on Sam-E for a few days later is my advice... Sam-E to this stuff seems to be like 5HTP to MDMA....
Actually replace comedown with hangover.. Headache and irritability seem to be the main features... Rather than world crashing down depression...
There are still definitely comedowns from all of these products... Drink plenty of water and dose up on Sam-E for a few days later is my advice... Sam-E to this stuff seems to be like 5HTP to MDMA....
Actually replace comedown with hangover.. Headache and irritability seem to be the main features... Rather than world crashing down depression...
IWillHostIt
Bluelighter
I had some neo-doves last night, seem to be lower strength then what I got last time. I think it was because I was so friggen tired when I took them. Don't take them if your tired. You don't get to feel the effects as much. thats just my opinion.
Not many come down effects with the Neo's. Never had a confused/headfuck from them yet. Just tired and a seriously dry mouth and only a 'tiny bit' of depresson.
The capsules taste like shit. I don't know about the substance itself but the capsules smell awful, you gulp them down whole and still taste it.
I didnt get huge dilated pupils from the neo's. it's cool because i feel like I can hide my high from people
Not many come down effects with the Neo's. Never had a confused/headfuck from them yet. Just tired and a seriously dry mouth and only a 'tiny bit' of depresson.
The capsules taste like shit. I don't know about the substance itself but the capsules smell awful, you gulp them down whole and still taste it.
I didnt get huge dilated pupils from the neo's. it's cool because i feel like I can hide my high from people
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Groovstarr
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this is what i said in the EADD but it seems no one there wants to chat about Neo Dove there....
Can someone tell me what the weight of one ND cap is because I've always purchased the powder only (5g) and would like to know exactly how much a capsule weighs so I can at least compare it.
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Been messing around with the Neo Doves since April. I was initially looking for my beloved Methylone replacement. They're not quite Methylone, though they are serotonergic in feeling and quite simillar.
They come on fast and you start chatting away with some empathetic-type chatter. Last week I took nice dose on the sly in a pub and a friend asked me if I had taken pills. This was probably due to my enthusiastic constant chatter.
The comedown aint bad. You may feel some tirdness the next day but its nothing like MDxx come downs. My gf reports comedown type tiredness for some days following. I guess I dont always pick up on this because I am always coming down from something or other - even if it is simply alcohol.
I find they go well with drinks out as a pick me up.
I found ND and K in a club to be a good mix, especially if you only want to go out for a few hours rather than an all-nighter.
Can someone tell me what the weight of one ND cap is because I've always purchased the powder only (5g) and would like to know exactly how much a capsule weighs so I can at least compare it.
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Been messing around with the Neo Doves since April. I was initially looking for my beloved Methylone replacement. They're not quite Methylone, though they are serotonergic in feeling and quite simillar.
They come on fast and you start chatting away with some empathetic-type chatter. Last week I took nice dose on the sly in a pub and a friend asked me if I had taken pills. This was probably due to my enthusiastic constant chatter.
The comedown aint bad. You may feel some tirdness the next day but its nothing like MDxx come downs. My gf reports comedown type tiredness for some days following. I guess I dont always pick up on this because I am always coming down from something or other - even if it is simply alcohol.
I find they go well with drinks out as a pick me up.
I found ND and K in a club to be a good mix, especially if you only want to go out for a few hours rather than an all-nighter.
starboy
Bluelighter
these are a small red capsule or a pile of white powder - not a pressed tablet, i received one of the red doves (aka pigeon) you are talking about in nz for testing and it contained mdma (see pillreports for nz here http://www.pillreports.com/index.php?page=display_pill&id=6310)
edit: Are the Neo-Doves still capsules? They were to start with.
edit: Are the Neo-Doves still capsules? They were to start with.
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justsayknow
Bluelighter
The NeoDoves I got sent were a green and white capsule with a nasty chemical smell.
starboy - You can still buy Neo Doves in capsules, but they have just released a pressed tablets which claims to hit stronger and harder due to added ingredients. Would be interesting to test these as well..
Edit: Just to be clear, the pressed pills are NOT the red doves that chugs was talking about. From what I've heard the pressed Neo Doves are slightly oval in shape and don't really look like a traditional ecstasy tablet.
Edit: Just to be clear, the pressed pills are NOT the red doves that chugs was talking about. From what I've heard the pressed Neo Doves are slightly oval in shape and don't really look like a traditional ecstasy tablet.
lil angel15
Bluelight Crew
starboy said:
The Neo-Doves are still in a capsule, although, as of the 2nd of June the company that produces these 'legal alternatives' released a pressed version containing the same compounds as the Neo-doves combined with another substance to aid absorbtion.
Doooofus said:
This was mentioned before about the new pressed pills available, so does this suggest that whatever is in neodoves is water insoluble? And that a greater proportion would pass into the blood stream if it were dissolved in something with lipophilic properties?
the rabbi
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the rabbi said:
This is a follow up about the letter that WAS ment to be sent out, today the letter did not turn up, instead our order came and everything seam’s to be fine. So looks like I do get to try them this time....
I’m going to order the ND in tablet form and do a report on them so ppl can see what to look out for incase this start hitting the streets... I would be upset if I got sold these instead of MDxx..
lil angel15
Bluelight Crew
Doooofus said:
The picture shown below, obtained from another site, is apparently of the new pressed Neo-Doves.
What phenylethylamine could possibly be lipophilic?
We also know that caffeine and metamfepramone (the HCL salt) are water soluble.
If they were water insoluble then snorting would be a terrible idea. The caps are also completely full which makes me wonder if there are additives in the powder, as is often the case with other vitamins and supplements, that would be most unsuitable for snorting. My very large capsules of 5-HTP are chock full of powder but are only 100mg 5-HTP. The other component is white rice powder.
The day those compressed tablets hit the market, is the day it is all over for those that want to legitimately purchase these products. It is sadly only a matter of time but lets hope it never happens.
I am with Phase _dancer on mixing these things with other substances. The SCs in particular are described in a way which makes me think they inhibt the reuptake of noradrenaline and/or dopamine. If this company has indeed discovered such a substance or has worked out that a number of substances taken together has this action, then taking methylamphetamine followed by a SC would be a very dangerous practice indeed.
Taking any of these with any illicit drug is stupid in my opinion. We also know that MDXX chemicals can have bad interactions with other phenylethylamines and amphetamines, e.g PMA and likely 2C-T-7. The whole point is this is a "legal" alternative so far, and therefore why combine it with something that is illegal.
It is far better to see these products as something that are entirely different from the illegal drugs you are familiar with (which supports the basis that they remain legal, if they in fact are). Of course there are many legal supplements sold widely in Australia, both herbal and synthetic, for which nothing much is known about them. These are very much in that category, so please keep that in mind.
We also know that caffeine and metamfepramone (the HCL salt) are water soluble.
If they were water insoluble then snorting would be a terrible idea. The caps are also completely full which makes me wonder if there are additives in the powder, as is often the case with other vitamins and supplements, that would be most unsuitable for snorting. My very large capsules of 5-HTP are chock full of powder but are only 100mg 5-HTP. The other component is white rice powder.
The day those compressed tablets hit the market, is the day it is all over for those that want to legitimately purchase these products. It is sadly only a matter of time but lets hope it never happens.
I am with Phase _dancer on mixing these things with other substances. The SCs in particular are described in a way which makes me think they inhibt the reuptake of noradrenaline and/or dopamine. If this company has indeed discovered such a substance or has worked out that a number of substances taken together has this action, then taking methylamphetamine followed by a SC would be a very dangerous practice indeed.
Taking any of these with any illicit drug is stupid in my opinion. We also know that MDXX chemicals can have bad interactions with other phenylethylamines and amphetamines, e.g PMA and likely 2C-T-7. The whole point is this is a "legal" alternative so far, and therefore why combine it with something that is illegal.
It is far better to see these products as something that are entirely different from the illegal drugs you are familiar with (which supports the basis that they remain legal, if they in fact are). Of course there are many legal supplements sold widely in Australia, both herbal and synthetic, for which nothing much is known about them. These are very much in that category, so please keep that in mind.
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