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Modafinil Discussion

have no reason to doubt that but at those doses, surely the fact that his body had been hammered for an extended period (poor diet, sleep deprivation, smashed liver etc) would explain a lot!

was the psyc referring to modafinil when describing the situation as something they've not seen anything like before? or was he being general? as the symptoms sound quite comparable to that of a tweaker who have just come off a 2 week run.

the highest dosage under studiy that i can find is 1400mg/day which showed very little withdrawal symtoms. if his case does attract research attention then the results will be an intersting read.

personally, i have found absolute zero withdrawal symptoms after a lengthy daily dose of 1000mg and my tolerance had not increased as expected
 
filenet said:
was the psyc referring to modafinil when describing the situation as something they've not seen anything like before? or was he being general? as the symptoms sound quite comparable to that of a tweaker who have just come off a 2 week run.
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The Modafinil factor. The Psych is an addiction specialist.
 
5 days is a pretty short time to come off long term stimulant abuse.

Ever heard of Circadian rhythm?

At the doses your mate was ingesting, I doubt he was sleeping very well. And therefore I think you buddies symptoms could probably be attributed to sleep deprivation and not withdrawal.

Also, mixing modafinil and caffeine is a bad idea. I cant understand how he did this?

Typical symptoms when mixing modafinil and caffeine include:

Frequent urination
Loose bowel movements
Anxiety
Restlessness
Insomnia

Modafinil is a short term fix.

If you have time spare, look after your body and get adequate sleep. If you do not have time to sleep, modafinil may be of use to you.
 
filenet said:
and as long as there are people like you around, modafinil will stay S4 - thank you
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Yes, because modavigil is my be all and end all, and seeing you think it's such a potent stimulant, don't you think it should stay S4?

fortehlulz said:
When he ran out of his supplies, which he takes in utterly insane quantities (up to 1600mg a day, plus enormous quantities of Caffeine at one point I beleive)
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I can't begin to imagine the headache from a dose that high. I begin to feel pressure in my temples at the 150mg.

I find sulbutiamine more effective to be honest, cheap and no prescription required.
 
rm2x said:
Yes, because modavigil is my be all and end all, and seeing you think it's such a potent stimulant, don't you think it should stay S4?



I can't begin to imagine the headache from a dose that high. I begin to feel pressure in my temples at the 150mg.

I find sulbutiamine more effective to be honest, cheap and no prescription required.
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well I was actually referring to S8

not everybody is the same with meds, surely you understand that. because it doesnt work with you doesn't mean its like that across the board. headaches arent an issue with me at any dose
 
even though you read about the headache factor everywhere, actual personal experiences with headaches aren't that common (personal observation obviously)

is it everytime or occassionally with you? do you also get headaches from other stims?
 
Very nice stuff, I'm a fan :D

Ever cautious with new chemicals, I split a pill in half and downed 100mg around 12:15, started feeling it come on maybe 30 minutes later. No rush or euphoria (except the kind that comes from being awake and energetic and clear headed), just a sense of complete clarity and alertness. A very smooth, very natural stimulation. It doesn't so much push you up as it does wipe away all the things that are holding you down that you normally don't even notice until you run at 110%. My thoughts flowed much faster and more freely, I felt more articulate and awake than I have in months.

Took another 100mg ariound 5pm and this feeling continued on, around 9ish I felt it start to wear off somewhat and tiredness crept up on me. There was a brief period of around an hour that could only be described as a comedown, I felt tired and a little irritable, drained, but nothing compared to even coffee, let alone one of the more typical stimulants. No period of sketchiness and jittery 'oh god I'm so fucking wired but I'm not high i wanna sleep' It slid down very smoothly and now I'm feeling quite comfortable, a little sore from working on my feet all afternoon but otherwise fine.

Physically, there was nothing except an energetic buzz (which faded into a more natural state of awakeness over the course of the afternoon) and an obvious feeling of alertness and completely awakeness. No jaw clenching/pupil dilation, no jittering, although my mouth did feel a little dry and I found myself sucking the roof of my mouth for a while at the beginning.

My appetite was suppressed fairly noticeably though, I had to force myself to eat around 2:30 and even then only managed half of my meal (despite having a very light breakfast). it wasn't until 9:30 or so that I realised I hadn't eaten all afternoon, much like more typical stimulants the thought of eating didn't even occur to me until the drug wore off, despite being around food the whole day and usuall having a fairly large appetite.

A very worthwhile substance. It's not something you'd take recreationally (though I can't speak for higher doses), but if you need to go without sleep or are otherwise tired but need to function, I'd say it's a superior to all of the usual suspects. Much easier on the body and mind with none of the physical side effects of regular stimulant use, you could almost believe you'd taken nothing at all if you didn't compare your state of alertness and clarity to how you'd usually feel with a lack of sleep. No harsh comedown, no inability to sleep (well I haven't tested that, but I feel like I could drift off quite easily ;) ), no fiending or hyperactivity, no overt signs of stimulant use except for being far more awake and alert than you should be.
 
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filenet said:
even though you read about the headache factor everywhere, actual personal experiences with headaches aren't that common (personal observation obviously)

is it everytime or occassionally with you? do you also get headaches from other stims?
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Just occasionally, but the pressure in my temples/frontal lobe is always there.
I get pretty bad headaches from caffeine and have in the past from sulbutiamine, but meth/dex/amphetamines, 4methylaminorex, and methylphenidate don't cause me any.
Didn't bother adding piperazines as they're headaches in a powder form lol

My gf gets them if she goes over 300mg, but my mates that have tried them don't seem to get them, one did mention the same pressure though.

I agree, I don't think the headaches are anywhere near as often as posted online, I just think that the people that are having negative effects are posting, and the people that have none are getting on with it.
 
As an addendum, sleep was slightly harder than I anticipated, I didn't manage to drift off until 2am or so, but once I did I slept well and woke up this morning feeling great.

On the topic of headaches, I did have an odd sensation of pressure in my head when it first kicked in, but that faded after an hour or two. Also a slight headache as it wore off, but I'm not sure that can be attributed to the modafinil.
 
Crankinit said:
Took another 100mg ariound 5pm and this feeling continued on
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redosing @ 5pm??? lucky was only 100mg otherwise you would have seen a nice sunrise this morning ;)

rm2x said:
I get pretty bad headaches from caffeine and have in the past from sulbutiamine, but meth/dex/amphetamines, 4methylaminorex, and methylphenidate don't cause me any.
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the pinnacle group with the king up top...4-MAR! mmmmm drooool!
 
redosing @ 5pm??? lucky was only 100mg otherwise you would have seen a nice sunrise this morning
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haha. I was feeling it slow down a bit at 4:30 or so so I figured another 100mg would last me until 10 or 11. I guess the subtle nature of the drug (when compared to amphetamines) makes it feel less likely to interfere with sleep than it actually is. No biggie I'm rarely asleep before 2 anyway, not much of a morning person :p
 
yeah, at least with daffies you aren't accompanied with that classic grungy amphetamine-esque feeling when staring at the ceiling at 4am in the morning, while trying to convince yourself that you are tired and that singing "10,001 Green Bottles" is actually cool..
 
marklar_the_23rd said:
modafinil?
I'm actually surprised that it works on me, after my meth binge in 2000-2001 i need a good dose of most stims, and the "alternatives" usually did jack shit. perhaps the selegline that came with it (which made me feel like a human again, i am actually smiling when i walk down the street now!) fixed something/potentates modafinil.
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mark, what dose of selegiline do you take? And do you watch ur diet with it?
 
Is there any theory about what causes the headaches and how to abate them? They don't seem to occur when I'm on the drug (though there is a slight sensation of pressure in the head when it first kicks in), but as it starts to wear off at night I get very distinct headaches for an hour or two.

If not, well it's not that bad and the benefits definately outweigh the discomfort, but if there was a way to get rid of them then I'd definately look into it.
 
I've mixed it with GBL and Pregabalin (Lyrica) and used Clonazepam (Klonopin) and Phenibut on the comedown, all seems good :D
 
Drench said:
I've mixed it with GBL and Pregabalin (Lyrica) and used Clonazepam (Klonopin) and Phenibut on the comedown, all seems good :D
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There is no comedown! What are you talking about?

Are you suggesting that modafinil is like an amphetamine?
 
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