I'm wrong about referring to a hole as a large dose of M. But with K, a hole is inevitable at a massive dose hehe. So there is a difference between the two when choosing words. I haven't read through this (rather large) thread but I'm curious if MXE has ever enhanced an experience to the point to where it became a ++++ for you whereas it wouldn't have been without. I'm curious because maybe MXE can help me go places I can't normally. I'm trying to push the boundaries of the experiences I'm used to and in turn regain a sense of novelty. And I've yet to have a substance shake my core. Any input would be well appreciated :3
First of all, you need to be aware of the fact, that ++++ is not related to the intensity of the experience. The first three stages +, ++, +++ are directly related to the intensity of the experience, while in my experience a ++++ is generally more likely to occur on a larger dose of a substance, it could just as well happen on a relatively weak dosage, that carries some sort of profound aspect that shakes you to the core. The term is kinda misleading in that sense and calling it a mystical or religious experience is far more appropriate imho
That being said, in the roughly 200-300 psychedelic experiences I've had, I experienced 2 ++++. Both occured on DMT and one of them was aided by a prior visit to the ketamine realm (dmt smoked on the comedown). I'd therefore suspect that MXE should just as well be useful in facilitating such an experience. Noone will be able to give you any reliable statistical information though, since ++++'s can only be experienced a few times in a lifetime.
edit: And before I forget: Thanks you guys, for clearing up those things about MXE. I really wasn't aware there was any way to get to another place on it, as in physically feel like you're travelling, morphing into the perceived surroundings etc. Maybe I wasn't patient enough with that one. The main reason why I didn't like it is because it made me do really stupid shit that I'd massively regret later on. Things I never even did on pcp. I might've started workign as a cam stripper on pcp and never gave a damn what people thought of me, but MXE made me plain offensive towards others. It went past not caring what others thought over to trying to provoke negative reactions I guess.
I am completely aware. I apologize if I come off as someone who is trying to dispute what you're saying, or an ass, as that's not my goal. I'm just interested in what you have to say!
I wasn't referring to the intensity, or anything of that sort. I just wanted to know if MXE was able to 'enhance' an experience to a ++++. Push it over the edge, ya know? I haven't had the pleasure of experiencing that like you have, and I hope that I will be able to in my lifetime.
It's probably not nice quoting you on a post you deleted, but I don't see anything wrong with the post. Like I said, I'm pretty positive it could do that. I never found much spiritual value in MXE in particular, but I'm quite certain it could do that just like ketamine can. I don't think you can force a ++++ though. I used to always prepare like crazy for my trips and get everything right and when I actually had my breakthrough, I was in the worst possible setting with a few total burn outs who kept talking while I was gone lol. For me it just happened after countless experiments with entheogens, though others will probably disagree and attribute theirs more to a long term spiritual journey they actively prepared for. I was definitely looking for it subconsciously btw, since after the experience my formerly strong desire to take psychedelics had almost completely vanished.