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[MEGA] Synthetic Cannabinoid Discussion - Take 4

Don't do that, seriously. The amount you'd need to make even the skinniest little line would be enough to give you a major cannabis overdose; not fatal in itself, but fucking scary. Anyway, smoking is the most effective ROA IMHO. If you've never smoked noids before, it's important you start in the low-milligram range; these things are powerful.

Yeah, bb22 is quite long-lasting. I tried the akb48 and was high for no more than an hour. I'm just about to smoke a tiny bit of bb22 right now actually. I think it could work very well as a "base note" in a blend, lengthening the experience quite a bit.

Edit: just smoked a bit of akb48 and I'm realllly stoned, but more like a head, giggly, trippy stone.has anybody noticed a difference between this and 5fakb48? It's occurred to my stoned brain that maybe the 5f variants are like loophole versions of akb48 and 5fpb22, because those two will be the next ones banned?
 
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dano71830 said:
Hey Guys this is probably a newb question but is it possible to insufflate a noid? if not does the oral roa as effective as smoking it given that you take a slightly larger dose?
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Lame this question just reminded me of WIN-55-212-2, what an awesome cannabinoid! Insufflating 5-10mgs and getting an awesome stoning going that was excessively pleasurable! Was excellent for pain relief. I doubt insufflation of other cannabinoids would be that effective as most are terribly insoluble in water but WIN-55-212-2 is one of the few that is. Never tried nor really wanted to with any others though....

I really wish my AB would hurry up so I can get super stoned! BB-22 sounds pretty cool, always loved longer lasting noids. Hmm its been a really long time since i've smoked regular AKB-48 let alone 5F but I definitely remember 5F being fairly distinct from plain AKB-48.
 
dopemegently said:
Don't do that, seriously. The amount you'd need to make even the skinniest little line would be enough to give you a major cannabis overdose; not fatal in itself, but fucking scary. Anyway, smoking is the most effective ROA IMHO. If you've never smoked noids before, it's important you start in the low-milligram range; these things are powerful.

Yeah, bb22 is quite long-lasting. I tried the akb48 and was high for no more than an hour. I'm just about to smoke a tiny bit of bb22 right now actually. I think it could work very well as a "base note" in a blend, lengthening the experience quite a bit.

Edit: just smoked a bit of akb48 and I'm realllly stoned, but more like a head, giggly, trippy stone.has anybody noticed a difference between this and 5fakb48? It's occurred to my stoned brain that maybe the 5f variants are like loophole versions of akb48 and 5fpb22, because those two will be the next ones banned?
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speaking of which , is a fatal cannabinoid od even possible? or is just an unpleasant experience?
 
I can't say the same for noids, but a fatal overdose of cannabis is technically possible, although you'd have to smoke a ridiculously enormous amount; far too much to actually be able to smoke in one go.
 
Edit: Opps DopeMe beat me too it!
ComfortablyNumb95 said:
I think it's a very real possibility, being active at such small dosages. I believe there have been fatal ODs but I'm too lazy to check
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A fatal OD for MJ is "technically" possible so of course you could, as far as i've seen there has been no such thing, only people dying after smoking store bought blends. They usually die from seizures or kidney problems and such. I'm sure you could but to me its fairly doubtful having smoked hundreds of mgs to grams in a day when I was going hard.
 
Yeah, I'm always suspicious when they report deaths resulting from noid blends; nobody has a clue what went into their blend. It could be a research chemical, god only knows what type of insecticides/pesticides. In japan, lab-tested samples revealed blends containing the synthetic opiate AH-791 (I think that's the right name).

The problem with noids isn't that they're poisonous IMHO; it's that nobody's bothered to regulate the market yet
 
Exactly'! It seems to be a bit of a secret tbh. Besides, people are so brand conscious now: they just want to order a known brand, like spice, K2, or whatever they're calling them. I would never buy a pre made blend; I can't trust the safety of something I haven't blended myself.
 
Well a lot of people freak the fuck out smoking blends and unfortunately most users are dumb as a sack of bricks, so I don't personally hate that they aren't buying extremely potent noids, haha! Sure we can pretend that some might make blends but another penchant drug users carry is impatience as well as a strong love for instant gratification. Lastly as far as I know the majority of US sellers has dropped dramitically compared to the JWH days. You used to find a lot on Ebay and so easily through Google. Besides this generation of noids is POTENT!
 
Whats the best temp to vape herbed synth noids. The incense blend I get just looks like pre-ground weed... ive been doing 200c+ (tried 240c once and no coughing etc) whats a good temp for incense blends compared to traditional weed?
 
I was buying off the street for a good year before i actually found out what cannabinoids was. In my gang, the things called "spice" (which would be made on totally different herbs every time we bought them) was just a kind of super weird strange weed substitute, with somewhat hallucinogenic properties... but we had no idea what was in them, what made us high, if it was the herbs or some chemical or whatever, and we didnt care... in my country they were never sold as blends in shops but some dealers also had this "spice" thing, if you asked.
We lost interest after some time, but then i started researching and found out about JWH-018 and UR-144 wich seemed to be what we had smoked, and i got interested... so this summer i ordered a gram of 5F-AKB48 and made my own first blend. Not only was it cheaper but since i made it myself i had total knowledge of what was in it (as long as the supplier had given me the right chemical).
I'd say it was my first RC, but i took other RC's before actually KNOWING that these "spice"-blends were strange chemicals.

I like RC's in the sense of puzzlement, like, lets add this methyl group here, how does that change the overall feel of the compound? And there lies my only interest in cannabinoids today. How is 5F-AB-PINACA different to regular AB-PINACA? How about AB-FUBINACA versus ADB-FUBINACA?
I can not order a gram of every chemical and make 35 grammes of blend, my wallet can not support these kinds of things and neither can my psyche, and im not interested in selling stuff. Therefore i have lately resorted to buying pre-made blends, we have some vendors in my country that states whats in the blends (supposedly). Its more expensive, but since im only ordering a gram or two of a blend i only have to pay maybe a fifth of what id pay for a gram of pure chemical + some herbs.

I currently have maybe ten grams of home-made AB-FUBINACA blend but i cant be bothered with it...
 
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I've no experience with pre made blends, but I've been researching pure noids quite a lot in the past couple weeks. Probably the most potent I've used is pb-22, also very impressed with bb-25 and akb-48, and ab fubinaca. Course, smoking the pure noids is dicey gauging doses, so I'm making my own blend this week. Nothing too fancy; just plain marshmallow leaf, cinnamon food flavouring , and the noids will be bb-25,with akb48. (The bb-25 is gonna make it more long lasting; it's duration is pretty long for a noid.) I've smoked a mix of the 2 pure and they mix very well.

The ratio I'm gonna be using is 1 G of noid for 50 G of herb. I've never made a blend before: does this ratio sound like it would make for a weak smoke? (I'd put the purity around 2.5% but my maths is rusty.) I've heard commercial blends tested as having far lower purity levels
 
There would be 20mgs per gram in your blend. I honestly can't even remember what most people/vendors make them at as I haven't smoked a blend probably since 2010 or maybe 11. Just think of it as how much you routinely smoke to get high, if you use 20mgs, having to smoke one full gram at a time to get to your level would be annoying but if you only use 5 or so, then it wouldn't be to bad.

Ly, if you know the right vendors, synth noids are only the cost of a couple packs of smokes, US smokes though.
 
dopemegently said:
The ratio I'm gonna be using is 1 G of noid for 50 G of herb. I've never made a blend before: does this ratio sound like it would make for a weak smoke? (I'd put the purity around 2.5% but my maths is rusty.) I've heard commercial blends tested as having far lower purity levels
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i personally like it strong enough that i only have to take a 1-3 tokes to get where i want to be.... last blend i did was 1gram of BB-22 to 14grams of herb
 
the classic ratios are 1gram per ounce for a light batch, 2grams per ounce for a medium batch, or 3grams per ounce for a strong batch.

(1ounce = 28grams for all you metric people)
 
lyrae said:
I like RC's in the sense of puzzlement, like, lets add this methyl group here, how does that change the overall feel of the compound? And there lies my only interest in cannabinoids today. How is 5F-AB-PINACA different to regular AB-PINACA? How about AB-FUBINACA versus ADB-FUBINACA?
I can not order a gram of every chemical and make 35 grammes of blend, my wallet can not support these kinds of things and neither can my psyche, and im not interested in selling stuff. Therefore i have lately resorted to buying pre-made blends, we have some vendors in my country that states whats in the blends (supposedly). Its more expensive, but since im only ordering a gram or two of a blend i only have to pay maybe a fifth of what id pay for a gram of pure chemical + some herbs.

I currently have maybe ten grams of home-made AB-FUBINACA blend but i cant be bothered with it...
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Now, I've had extreme troubles with the whole AB-***** series of cannabinoids, they consistently contain impurities which causes them to have slightly different potency and effect from vendor to vendor so I no longer buy them and my descriptions of them might not be completely accurate but I'll give it a go:

AB-Fubinaca is in my oppinion the best cannabinoid since JWH-018. It's extremely sedating with prominent physical stoning effects and lasts longer than the previous generation of cannabinoids (about 1,5-2 hours). It also feels quite "dark", I don't really know how to describe it, it causes similiar visuals as ketamine/pcp does. I like it alot.

5f-Ab-Pinaca is a trippier, sativa version of AB-Fubinaca, it completely lacks all sedating and physical effects and is more reminiscent of 5F-AKB-48 but not at all as stoning. It is really short lasting too. I did not particularly enjoy this one, it felt too weak + I don't really like cannabinoids that don't provide a good couch lock.

AB-Pinaca is basically a lighter version of AB-Fubinaca and is probably the closest to real weed some cannabinoid has gotten since the JWH-XXX period. If that's what you are looking for then this is what you want in my oppinion. The duration is a bit shorter than AB-Fubinaca but still longer than the previous generation of 'noids (AKB48/PB22 etc). Has a light physical stoning effect that doesn't knock you on your ass like the Fubinaca coupled with a nice head high.
 
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