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[MEGA] Synthetic Cannabinoid Discussion - Take 4

dopemegently said:
I can't say the same for noids, but a fatal overdose of cannabis is technically possible, although you'd have to smoke a ridiculously enormous amount; far too much to actually be able to smoke in one go.
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I've suffered convulsions and blackouts where I'd wake up on the floor from smoking larger amounts, these were generally what most people would consider to be 10-30 doses though. AM2201 was the worst for it.

Just a heads up, if you don't like having to sort out tiny doses all the time, many synths dissolve in vegetable oil at 1mg/ml with agitation and heat.
 
I've had a bad experience with too high a dose of bb-25, but nothing like you described, ie convulsions, etc; i just had to crash out in a dark room for a few hours, though I'm sure it would have felt scarier if I hadn't had any benzos at hand.

Cheers for the info, Toz- I'd never heard of ab-piinaca myself. The only ones available to me are akb48, bb25, pb25 (and the 5 f versions), and ab -fubinaca, and I missed out on the whole JWH generation. My akb48 looks quite different from my other noids; it kind of looks like hundreds of little crystals, and looks like less than one gram in weight, although it checks out on the micro scales. I've heard that the latest generation of noids are more powerful than the JWH range...any truth to that?

thenightwatch, I'll be using you're ratios as a guide. The one I was planning to use would be ridiculously weak, so I'm making a medium strength one, using 2 grams of noid to 50 grams of marshmallow. (1 gram bb-25, one gram akb48) The only thing I'm not sure of is how to add my flavourings; do I add it to the acetone "bath", or apply it to the herb after the acetone has evaporated?

I've no idea how that smiley got in there; can't get rid of the thing...
 
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Oh okay. I've got some "cream soda" flavouring I brought from a foodie store. If that doesn't smell right, I've got some cinnamon flavouring. Btw how many drops of flavouring should I add to a 50 gram batch? (I don't want the scent to be too overpowering.)

Edit: does using these flavourings affect the taste of a noid blend, or merely the way it smells?
 
do those flavorings have the ingredients listed? list 'em please, if so. there might be ingredients in there that won't work too well for a smoke blend. sugar, for instance, will carmelize as you burn your blend and cause it to smoke funnily.

i've used just pure cinnamon in a blend before, it worked out okay. sorta harsh though.
 
I'd never even considered that. I don't have my flavourings to hand right now, (I'm not getting the cinnamon until tomorrow) so can't provide ingredients for ya till then. I guess I could spray the flavouring onto my blend after the acetone's evaporated, though I'd need to water it down, and water can't be good for the blend. I'm thinking maybe dissolving spices into the acetone could avoid this problem like you said; I've got a whole rack of those. Pure Cinnamon is very strong; I guess using very small amounts per batch could avoid the harshness problem. That's pretty much the only palatable spice I own: powdered cinnamon, (Oregano flavour blend doesent sound great lol).

How much pure cinnamon did you put into your blend per ounce btw?
 
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Cool. I'm making mine in 50 G batches at a time. First trial run this week so not expecting anything special. I'll try using one gram of cinnamon just to see if it works, hopefully avoiding the harshness. When I get my flavourings I'll post the ingredients, the cinnamon thing is really just a stop-gap; a cream soda incense sounds well nice.
 
i used to order pure Vanillin and Ethyl-Vanillin.... worked out great for my blends, everyone loved it

the stuff is pretty cheap. the Ethyl-Vanillin worked out better.... Ethyl-Vanillin is the same artificial vanilla that Hershey's uses in their chocolate.
 
Haha, why do you guys use percentages? Makes it much less clear when you can just take whatever milligram amount of noids your using then divide it by the number of grams of herbs your using to get an exact mg amount per gram. Obviously it can even be broken down to say how many mgs a .2(about a standard sized bowl)bowl will have. I guess i'm biased though as I hate working with percentages. Cool thought about flavorings, how does it work out TNW? Also it is good to be smoking flavorings, I doubt it would be to bad but you never really know.
 
Dunno really; using metric just lends itself to percentages I guess, plus I never got the hang of imperial. Using flavouring is definitely a good idea for sire though.

No luck finding vannilin whatsoever; I'll just be going with good old cinnamon: my favourite flavour in the world.

Also, I'm crap at maths; working out how many mg of noid per gram of substrate is just a nightmare to me, so I'm sort of learning as I go really.
 
Help?!?! said:
Haha, why do you guys use percentages? Makes it much less clear when you can just take whatever milligram amount of noids your using then divide it by the number of grams of herbs your using to get an exact mg amount per gram.
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dividing like that is how you come up with percentages =p and a percentage is more universally applied to different sized batches.

i tend to only use the % when it comes to flavoring, though.... i use mg/gram denotation for cannabinoid content

Help?!?! said:
Also it is good to be smoking flavorings, I doubt it would be to bad but you never really know.
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depends on what you use. flavored cigars like Vanilla Black & Milds use synthetic Vanillin. idk how good for you those are either, though. *shrugs*
 
Does the marshmallow leaf itself have any type of scent or taste? Come to think of it, is it a fairly smooth smoke? I think something that would really stand out would be a noid resin, but that'd be hard to pull off. I guess you could use a powdered substrate, infuse it with your noids, and when the solvents evaporated, add some type of liquid hardening/thickening agent.

Edit: thenightwatch, I'm lame at maths, but how do I calculate the amount of syncan in mgs per gram of substrate? I can't find a calculator that'll do that for me anywhere. For example: how many mg of noid per gram of substrate if I was to add one G of noid to 50 G of substrate. Sorry for the dumb question btw.
 
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there's 1,000milligrams in a gram of course, so in your 1gram / 50grams example we'd divide 1000 by 50.... so about 20milligrams per gram of herb. pretty light imo. you'd have to smoke a tenth of a gram of your blend in order to get in 2mg of cannabinoid. keep in mind that most herbs used for this stuff are a lot fluffier/less dense than marijuana... a tenth of a gram of a marshmallow leaf blend is probably going to be two cones.

while it is of course a bad idea to overindulge in cannabinoids, keep in mind that there is also some harm done to your lungs just from the act of smoking anything. i prefer to have to inhale as little smoke as possible. while it is indeed better to start off on the lighter side of potency while making your first blends, imo 1gram/50grams is too light and you'll end up burning up a lot more herb than is necessary. 25grams or 30grams might be a bit better of a starting point.

remember that ideally, for the sake of your lungs, 1 to 3 puffs will get you where you want to go!
 
thenightwatch said:
there's 1,000milligrams in a gram of course, so in your 1gram / 50grams example we'd divide 1000 by 50.... so about 20milligrams per gram of herb. pretty light imo. you'd have to smoke a tenth of a gram of your blend in order to get in 2mg of cannabinoid. keep in mind that most herbs used for this stuff are a lot fluffier/less dense than marijuana... a tenth of a gram of a marshmallow leaf blend is probably going to be two cones.

while it is of course a bad idea to overindulge in cannabinoids, keep in mind that there is also some harm done to your lungs just from the act of smoking anything. i prefer to have to inhale as little smoke as possible. while it is indeed better to start off on the lighter side of potency while making your first blends, imo 1gram/50grams is too light and you'll end up burning up a lot more herb than is necessary. 25grams or 30grams might be a bit better of a starting point.

remember that ideally, for the sake of your lungs, 1 to 3 puffs will get you where you want to go!
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QFT, good stuff TNW! Ab has me nicely mellow.....finally!
 
Yeah, I hate having to smoke shit-loads to get an effect. (And thanks for the really good answer thenightwatch). I'm making a trial batch tonight using my one g noid: 50 g marshmallow ratio, but that's just for practice. (Pb-22 btw) In future, I'll try using 1 gram of noid for 25 grams of substrate as you suggested, something like that, hopefully getting me closer to the "1-3 tokes and your fucked" range.

Edit: Help?!?! I now have a reliable source for FUBINACA; is it any good? I've heard a lot of good things about it.
 
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dopemegently said:
hopefully getting me closer to the "1-3 tokes and your fucked" range.
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its actually more like 4-6 tokes to get fucked with my 1gram:14gram batch of BB-22 =p i usually stick to 1-3 though.

i'm sure my tolerance is a bit higher than some people's though

still not as high as those crazies that can go through a gram of pure 'noid in a day tho =p
 
I've heard of some crazy tolerances to 'noids, for sure. Like I said earlier, these things must really fry your cannabinoid receptors. What's the highest amount of noids you've smoked daily? For me, around 4 mg of AKB48 or BB-22 is more than enough - I must have a low tolerance.

I'm not sure if stopping weed or noids causes withdrawal symptoms or not; I've heard people having a very rough time coming off. I used to smoke a lot of UK soap bar hash (horrible shite) daily, and never had much trouble stopping; others have reported depression, insomnia to name a few.

Edit: I've dissolved my noids and added flavouring and marshmallow; I'm using one G of PB-22 to 30 grams of marshmallow leaf, as previously suggested. My first ever blend, so fingers crossed...
 
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i never got up to a gram a day, but at one point i was smoking probably a quarter gram's worth of JWH-122 a day. it really messed with my appetite.... i'd get get the munchies, make some food, then get about 5 bites in and be unable to finish. i got pretty skinny though, lol.

now a gram of 'noids lasts me a few months.
 
I missed out on the whole JWH generation, unfortunately. (I think I read that all the current noids are analogues of JWH syncans, though). All the ones I've smoked have given me classic weed cotton mouth and munchies, but I find I can't stop eating, so I'm failing my New Years weight loss resolution, before in even started it... But damn, a quarter gram of pure cannabinoid's quite a lot.
 
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