Re: Nope...
rachamim18 said:
Tokerman: There is a reason that you do not see pod tea...as I have said a couple of times already...on a milligram per milligram basis tea just does not compare. Do you even wonder that if tea was so powerful it WOULD be available on the black market? I am sorry but your lack of understanding is showing. The morphine in tea will not give you the same effect as insufflated heroin [on a mg. per mg. basis of course] because heroin enables morphine to cross the blood to brain barrier at 3 times the rate of ingested morphine. Therefore you would have to do at least 3 times the amount of morphine to get the same reaction.
The rush would not make anything more physically addictive [that is the subject at hand remember]. Neither would the mode of administration. Please study the science of addiction for a much better understanding.
Actually I am arguing that the alkaloidal content in tea does not make it as physically addictive as heroin on a milligram per milligram basis...
Your last line is patently wrong because in the case of mental addiction no substance is easier than any other...That is one area that you can certainly use your subjective reports from Erowid and Poppies.org....
rachamim18: I understand your passion to continue this fight that somehow H is more physically addicting and harder to withdrawal then Pod Tea. Personal attacks are really not welcome as this is an important matter which younger less experienced readers take this kind of advice to heart.
Withdrawal and addiction by nature is subjective. One person may find WD easier and the item less addictive, one may find it harder. However all the components on both sides have the ability to cause both.
mg for mg Heroin is stronger because its more concentrated. However, the Tea contains the same things that cause addiction and withdrawal as H. I called it elitist because it seems you think that some yuppie sitting inside his house ordering Pods and making Tea is somehow less "real" or "hardcore" then an H addict banging a 40 bag. Addiction is addiction, withdrawal is withdrawal. Pod Tea is not a toy and is not something to take lightly in regards to recreational use. If people here, as this is a harm reduction site, start to think, hey, well if Pod Tea is weak and not really hard to WD from or get addicted to, then you’re going to have a problem on your hands.
Mentally, you say that its all the same when its not. One drug can be easier, depending on the person, mentally to overcome then another. Many cigarette smokers calm the hardest part of quitting is the fact they don’t have anything in their hand, that the act of lighting up itself is just as addictive and troublesome as the nicotine.
Can you OD from Pod Tea? Yes Can you OD from H? Yes Can you become addicted to both, yes. Insufflated heroin will make you nod and so will Pod Tea. The rush might be greater with H because of the method of consumption, but the end result is the same. An Opiate Nod is an Opiate Nod.
The question that seems to be in play is that H is much more addictive and harder to withdrawal from. I wonder if those people on Poppy.org that have been fighting addiction would agree.
The reason Pod Tea isn’t on the black market is because who would walk around with a flask of tea to sell when H is available is smaller units with more of a quick fix and rush then Tea. Besides, if you know where to look Pods are pretty available as H is not.
All I am getting at, is those of you that decide to do Tea, for whatever reason, be it, easier to get, less stigma....understand that Tea can cause severe addiction, physical withdrawals and overdose deaths just like heroin. Its not a toy or recreational drug, and isn’t something to be taken lightly.
Who knows, technically you might be scientifically right, but as a Pod Tea drinker and someone who has known people go through the horror of withdrawal from Pod Tea, its important people weigh this before jumping in.
