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Re: Not again...
Rachamim, all bickering and scientific studies aside, would you agree, for the sake of safety that both Pods and Herion can be and are harmful and difficult to withdrawl from??
I think we are splitting hairs as to which is worse and which isnt. The bottom line of this thread, I think for those people looking for information about addiction, tolerance and withdrawl, are that Pods arent a toy or a lighter drug, like marijuana mentioned before, and can produce serious issues for hard use.
rachamim18 said:
Rachamim, all bickering and scientific studies aside, would you agree, for the sake of safety that both Pods and Herion can be and are harmful and difficult to withdrawl from??
I think we are splitting hairs as to which is worse and which isnt. The bottom line of this thread, I think for those people looking for information about addiction, tolerance and withdrawl, are that Pods arent a toy or a lighter drug, like marijuana mentioned before, and can produce serious issues for hard use.
the armed forces
Ex-Bluelighter
Are there even 10/325 Norco with Codeine? The only Norco 10/325 I know are hydrocodone... maybe you are taking HC without knowing it? Or I'm an idiot?
naturalone
Bluelighter
norcos don't have codeine in them. they're hydrocodone.
what's going to happen with your tolerance is this: yes, it will go back to baseline every time you take a break, but it will build-up faster and faster every time you quit and start again. eventually this little 40mg/day habit could grow to a 400mg/day habit that requires outpatient treatment to help you through the withdrawals. you seem like a good kid. my advice is to stop now. use a couple of times a year, and that's it.
g/l
what's going to happen with your tolerance is this: yes, it will go back to baseline every time you take a break, but it will build-up faster and faster every time you quit and start again. eventually this little 40mg/day habit could grow to a 400mg/day habit that requires outpatient treatment to help you through the withdrawals. you seem like a good kid. my advice is to stop now. use a couple of times a year, and that's it.
g/l
rachamim18
Bluelighter
100%
Absolutely...
Absolutely...
fastandbulbous
Bluelight Crew
Individual metabolic routes
MGS
To find out if there is another alkaloid that is increasing morphine's plasma half life, you'll have to find out the human metabolism details for each alkaloid individually, to find out if there is an alkaloid that is also conjugated with glucuronic acid, or is a competitive inhibitor of the P450 isoenzyme responsible for the metabolism of morphine to normorphine (they're the two main metabolic routes for morphine in humans).
I'm not sure if there are any alkaloids that have an effects on morphine metabolism, just offered it as a possible explanation of the longer half life of morphine when taken as opium, that you described - well pod tea (there may even be a flavanoid present in the opium that has an effect on one of the metabolic enzymes, like the flavanoid in grapefruit juice)
It's a long time since I did any serious reading about the metabolic fate of opium alkaloids, so all I can remember is the basics, but there will be plenty of studies on the individual alkaloids
MGS
To find out if there is another alkaloid that is increasing morphine's plasma half life, you'll have to find out the human metabolism details for each alkaloid individually, to find out if there is an alkaloid that is also conjugated with glucuronic acid, or is a competitive inhibitor of the P450 isoenzyme responsible for the metabolism of morphine to normorphine (they're the two main metabolic routes for morphine in humans).
I'm not sure if there are any alkaloids that have an effects on morphine metabolism, just offered it as a possible explanation of the longer half life of morphine when taken as opium, that you described - well pod tea (there may even be a flavanoid present in the opium that has an effect on one of the metabolic enzymes, like the flavanoid in grapefruit juice)
It's a long time since I did any serious reading about the metabolic fate of opium alkaloids, so all I can remember is the basics, but there will be plenty of studies on the individual alkaloids
the armed forces said:
People thinking that hydocodone and codeine are synonyms is a common misconception in my experience. I used to argue with people that would say thi, but I have given up. It seems that these people generally know someone that knows a lot about pills and will not waiver in their belief that hydrocodone and codeine are one and the same.
naturalone
Bluelighter
all you have to do is take 10mg of codeine vs 10mg of HC to know that there is a big (5-6 times) difference.
Brilliant_Frenzy
Bluelighter
Status Update
Thanks for the many replies. I really had no intention of turning this thread into a heroin v. poppy / poppy v. ? arguement. On one hand I'm sort of thrilled, because I've never had a thread go on for so long (I'm a dork, I know). On the other hand, I'm sort of perturbed that some people were more concerned about arguing than helping me. I'm not really mad, just a bit confused as to the point of the argument. Drug use is all subjective. Case closed. Anyway, I'm better now. No more WD's. I tappered over many days, using a combination of 3 cups for two days, two cups for four days, and 1 cup for eight days, plus a lot of immodium. I had to buy more poppies at a local flower shop, but it was worth it I think. Anyway, thanks for the support and advice. Hopefully I won't need it again (meaning hopefully I won't WD again), but who knows. It's not a perfect world.
Thanks for the many replies. I really had no intention of turning this thread into a heroin v. poppy / poppy v. ? arguement. On one hand I'm sort of thrilled, because I've never had a thread go on for so long (I'm a dork, I know). On the other hand, I'm sort of perturbed that some people were more concerned about arguing than helping me. I'm not really mad, just a bit confused as to the point of the argument. Drug use is all subjective. Case closed. Anyway, I'm better now. No more WD's. I tappered over many days, using a combination of 3 cups for two days, two cups for four days, and 1 cup for eight days, plus a lot of immodium. I had to buy more poppies at a local flower shop, but it was worth it I think. Anyway, thanks for the support and advice. Hopefully I won't need it again (meaning hopefully I won't WD again), but who knows. It's not a perfect world.
rachamim18
Bluelighter
Brilliant...
When you post something it usually because it is personal for you [not you personally,in general]. However, many people read these forums in search of advice, in fact they read these threads a long time after people have stopped posting in them. It is in everybodys interest [especially with regards to opiates/opioids] to have as many facts as possible. If you had posted that you were going to kill yourself [G-d forbid] then I think that is safe to assume that there would not have been a whole lot of hair splitting going on. Use is not subjective, personal experiences are...It is important to make that distinction.
I am glad that things are going good for you and best wishes for the future.
When you post something it usually because it is personal for you [not you personally,in general]. However, many people read these forums in search of advice, in fact they read these threads a long time after people have stopped posting in them. It is in everybodys interest [especially with regards to opiates/opioids] to have as many facts as possible. If you had posted that you were going to kill yourself [G-d forbid] then I think that is safe to assume that there would not have been a whole lot of hair splitting going on. Use is not subjective, personal experiences are...It is important to make that distinction.
I am glad that things are going good for you and best wishes for the future.
Jean Dough
Bluelighter
I can say from experience klonopin is best 4 WD crisis' when u got sum dank -n- maybe sum sipp (since it will help kick in tha benzos which is alcohol soluble) but u only should take lyke 2-3 shots (dependin' on dose of benzo -n- alcohol tolerance) unless u wanna jus fall tha fuck out fo' real fo' real. As far as tolerance go, all depends on tha quality. A bag of raw 'round here is lyke 3-4 bags of dat average 'mersh ish. Last time I wuzz fo' real dopesick I took 2-3 mg. K-Pin -n- 1.5 Xanax wit sum Choc. Thai -n- it wuzz quite relieving until I finally passed out -n- woke up still kinda intoxicated with tha WD near-muted (cures pain -n- discomfort mainly in lower legs.) Overall I would say izz great for most physical symptoms -n- tha anxious edge. {-n- dat comin from sum1 wit sum serious ass G.A.D.\S.A.D. which yall should kno don't help wit opiate WD @ all lol}
-n- by tha way, Valium supposed be tha best benzo for WD since izz' half-life up to 200 hours -n- is a great muscle relaxer (also a good sedative) but I've only had it once cuzz I nobody ever str8 wit em 'round tha way but I prefer K-Pinz n e wayz
-n- by tha way, Valium supposed be tha best benzo for WD since izz' half-life up to 200 hours -n- is a great muscle relaxer (also a good sedative) but I've only had it once cuzz I nobody ever str8 wit em 'round tha way but I prefer K-Pinz n e wayz
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ItchySkratchy
Bluelighter
Bradshaw2727 said:
that's what I'm afraid is gonna happen to me.....
I don't wanna get into my heroin/OC/anything opiate addiction history, but I'm trying to not make it as prevalent an element of my life as it has been for the past 5 years.......How????
I just re-discovered my love for benzos, especially Xanax.....I've done it plenty, but not in a very long while...
long story short, I'm afraid of trading one addiction for another and I know it's easy to to (having just uncovered a bottomless pit of benzos thru a friend....) I'm gonna try to just continue to use them when I have opiate cravings or to help me sleep, not like a 24/7 deal like opiates usually are for me......
vicodelicious
Bluelighter
Yes it will help somewhat. But be careful, benzodiazepine addiction is just as bad if not worse than a narcotic addiction. Benzo withdrawl can be lethal...
adradmin
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rachiman, what are you talking about? drugs effect everyone differently. you can't say a certain amount will or will not produce withdrawals for someone. just because it may not be much to you, it could be a problem to someone else. a habit is a habit whatever way you look at it.
K'dOUTinAZ
Bluelighter
I'm not going to comment on your dose, just answer your question...
Yes, clonazepam is very useful for opioid withdrawls. It helps the symptoms of anxiety, insomnia, restlessness, shaking, and that feeling of wanting to jump out of your skin. Its ideal over other benzodiazepines for opioid withdrawl because it lasts longer. I would suggest 2mg three times a day. Or 3mg twice a day. Try only 3-4mgs after the first day of withdrawls. Only use them for 3-4 days and stop when symptoms subside. Clonazepam withdrawls are even worse than heroin withdrawls if you become addicted.
Yes, clonazepam is very useful for opioid withdrawls. It helps the symptoms of anxiety, insomnia, restlessness, shaking, and that feeling of wanting to jump out of your skin. Its ideal over other benzodiazepines for opioid withdrawl because it lasts longer. I would suggest 2mg three times a day. Or 3mg twice a day. Try only 3-4mgs after the first day of withdrawls. Only use them for 3-4 days and stop when symptoms subside. Clonazepam withdrawls are even worse than heroin withdrawls if you become addicted.
rachamim18
Bluelighter
Adradmin...
I have neither the time nor inclination to get into another hair splitting fete...Let's leave it at this [I hope]...Average bag contains 100 mgs. of 25% heroin [of course there are variables but we're talking about averages...Out of the actual 20 mgs. of heroin, how much is metabolised?
Substances do effect people in different ways, as far as issues like "highs", "rushes," or "euphorias" go. Issues like sedation [slowing of the heartbeat, decreased respiration, etc] or LD50 are not subjective and can therefore be predicted.
Physically it is possible to be addicted to 20 mgs. of heroin but one would have to take it for an extremely long time to have that 20 mgs. become part of one's physiology. Common sense tells you that withdrawals are the body's way of telling us that our system requires a certain component to "feel well." Whether that component is 100 mgs. or 20 mgs. is what decides how intense those feelings are...
Mentally we are talking about a whole different ballgame. you can be addicted to a "one on one"
I have neither the time nor inclination to get into another hair splitting fete...Let's leave it at this [I hope]...Average bag contains 100 mgs. of 25% heroin [of course there are variables but we're talking about averages...Out of the actual 20 mgs. of heroin, how much is metabolised?
Substances do effect people in different ways, as far as issues like "highs", "rushes," or "euphorias" go. Issues like sedation [slowing of the heartbeat, decreased respiration, etc] or LD50 are not subjective and can therefore be predicted.
Physically it is possible to be addicted to 20 mgs. of heroin but one would have to take it for an extremely long time to have that 20 mgs. become part of one's physiology. Common sense tells you that withdrawals are the body's way of telling us that our system requires a certain component to "feel well." Whether that component is 100 mgs. or 20 mgs. is what decides how intense those feelings are...
Mentally we are talking about a whole different ballgame. you can be addicted to a "one on one"
naturalone
Bluelighter
i certainly wish the people would be more specific about quantities on here. where i live, and get dope, a bag isn't a bag, it's a balloon, and it's .5g. when posters here on BL say a bag, i automatically assume that they're talking about .1g, because that's the most common slang used here. but, 1 bag could be anything, depending on the area, the dealer, the circumstances, etc.
if people would say; i use ~.1g a day or 100mg/day, and would give the duration of their habit, there would be a lot less guessing and arguing here.
to the original poster; if you are taking 100mg of h a day (actually 20-30mg of heroin, more than likely), then yes, klonopins will help mask the discomfort you will feel when you stop using. the first day after using you will be very tired (if you've been using for any time). after that, it's all of the other fun symptoms. k-pins will help you relax and possibly sleep. good luck.
if people would say; i use ~.1g a day or 100mg/day, and would give the duration of their habit, there would be a lot less guessing and arguing here.
to the original poster; if you are taking 100mg of h a day (actually 20-30mg of heroin, more than likely), then yes, klonopins will help mask the discomfort you will feel when you stop using. the first day after using you will be very tired (if you've been using for any time). after that, it's all of the other fun symptoms. k-pins will help you relax and possibly sleep. good luck.
rach. I disagree. Usually I agree with you, but everyone is different. I have known people who have used 20mg percocet (and one guy 10mg hydrocodone) daily and encountered WDs (though they used for users)....even a chick who took 2 darvocets a day, who encountered WDs. So, everyone is different....and if he is getting dope from NYC/NJ, one bag may be a 20$ bag, which may be 200 mgs of minimum of 50% purity. It is possible. Anyway, klonopins will help. Do a search for the user "whome" and "WDs" and you will find some helpful OTC remedies to combine and use with your klonopin. Be thankful, klonopin can help get through the anxiety and sleepless nights...
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ItchySkratchy
Bluelighter
^^^^althogh I enjoy alprazolam more as a receational drug, clonazepam is def. better for w/d's as far as I know, cuz It has little but longer of a half-life, making it more effective over a longer period of timee......
yup clonazapam is one of the better ones for wd's but doesnt valuim have some muscle relaxing effects that would help with leg twitches. benzos help alot when sick but there not gonna do by themselves, morer people should look into aquiring bupe for the times when the dope runs dry.