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☛ Official ☚ [LSA's Subthread] Extraction of LSA's

That's interesting. ^ Maybe I should try that method as I already have a coffee grinder and gel caps.

I've tried the water extraction, but I only soaked for like an hour. 150 seeds. About 10 minutes later, I threw it all up, and no it wasn't all in my mind because me and my friend were talking about something. My friend didn't, and she hardly felt any effects. We just felt incredibly lazy the whole day.

I also tried just grinding it up and mixing them in orange juice, that worked MUCH better and you could hardly taste it. Unlike the water extraction (Bleh!).
 
Wow. I'm pretty confused. Let me get this straight:

Using naptha to extract the poisonous oils in Morning Glory Seeds will also take some of the psychedelic alkaloids along with it, so naptha is out.

A water extraction only takes the "sleepy" alkaloids and leaves behind the psychedelic alkaloids, so a water extraction is also out.

Eating the seeds produces nausea, so that is also definately out.

So, to obtain a drinkable solution with all of the psychedelic alkaloids in MG seeds, but without the poisonous oils, what must be done? An ethyl alcohol extraction without the naptha step?

Any clarification would be greatly appreciated.
 
^ you don't.

you eat it, you get sick, and then you trip.

"with alcohol man gets his hangover after the experience, with peyote man gets his hangover before the experience"

same rule applies
 
PsyGhost said:
^ you don't.
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I'm curious as to why you think that this would not work.

Also, fastandbulbous' tartaric acid method intrigued me. The thoery behind it is sound, anyway. I think I might try that before making myself puke.
 
I'd imagine whatever is soluble in water is also soluble in ethanol/ethyl alcohol.
 
I thought I would put my 2 cents worth into this thread since there are bound to many people combing through interested;

I've had 2 trips on LSA (both 10 HBWR seeds)

First trip was somewhat dull.

I chewed some of the seeds and swallowed them. I felt weird for ages and not much happened.

2nd trip I crushed up the seeds into a powder, put it into a cold class of water, swirled it around every 5-10 minutes for 45 minutes then drank it.

I then smoked some weed.

And about 2-3 hours later I was tripping major fucking balls and I had an amazing experience. It really was awesome!

The shit works and kicks arse. I didn't feel sick in the stomach or anything.

I hope you guys have the same luck :-)
 
tried ethanol extraction on hbwr last night. (vodka soak 5 hrs, strain, drink).
results?
indistinguishable from taking the seeds crushed in gel caps.
equal (if not worse) nausea, equal stimulation/cramping, identical trip.
 
Hey guys!
How much LSA is lost in the extraction proccess?
What is the strongest extraction ratio you can get without owning fancy lab equipment?
On a good extraction, how much LSA fluid would you have to drink?

Thanks!
 
I don't know the exact amount that would be garnered from a perfect lab setup or anything like that. I think either way, an extraction process just delays the inevitable nausea. I'm sure there's a good way to do it, but it's far beyond what the normal person has in their arsenal.

Eating HWBR straight up works fine, and it's probably best to chop up the smaller morning glory seeds, either with a coffee grinder or blender.

Just found this interesting article:
http://www.academicjournals.org/AJB/PDF/pdf2007/19Sep/Oluwaniyi%20and%20Ibiyemi.pdf
I know it's not LSA extraction, but it seems to be similar in its method for the removal of glycosides. For a quick synopsis, there isn't much difference between 45mins and 72h of a soak, but there is a slightly lower concentration of glycosides if a large volume of high purity alcohol used. I don't know the concentration of glycosides in HWBR or MG seeds, but it's safe to assume that there will come a point of negative returns in the extraction process and only a good knowledge of solvents and lab equipment could remove 95+% of the glycosides.

I highly recommend cleaning of the seeds though prior to ingestion or any extraction process simply because you don't know what's on the seeds. Even if it says nothing was added, you never know what the hell it went through.

I don't think it's very necessary to acidify with tartaric acid, but it was certainly used in older traditional methods. Couldn't hurt I'd guess.

I didn't have much luck with MG seeds, but I did have some good trips on HWBR. I'd eat about 8 seeds and around the 2 hour point, when the nausea peaked, I'd smoke some weed and not only would the nausea go away, but an intense trip would start up. Weed is an amazing potentiator of the trip and I'd recommend it.

Anyway, Happy and safe trips!:)
 
How much would I need to make say 400 Trips, The reason I ask is, I have a shit load of blotter paper left over from when I had a shit load of Cid, I wanna know if its possible to let the blotter paper soak up the LSA?

Any help would be great, Thanks.
 
Morning Glory Question

I ground up about 25 grams of morning glory seeds that I weighed out on my scale in a coffee grinder and threw them in a jar with some water and they've been "extracting" for a couple days now.

I've done morning glory extractions before but for this next trip I have no idea what I should do.

I'm going on a trip to an amusement park friday with my high school, and I really want to go on LSA. But how much of the liquid should a take? a 1/4? an 1/8? a 1/16??

Please get back to me, i really want this to end up as a glowing experience and not a train wreck.
 
well it depends how hard you want to trip, and if you are going to tell anyone you are with that you are taking it.

but i think for a decent trip, anything less than 1/4th wouldn't cut it, but that's me. You may be different, what doses have you done before?
 
Just be careful. It can cause extreme vasoconstriction to the point of losing limbs. I have experienced these effects first hand and have had extreme leg pain due to these effects.
 
There is a good chance you will become nauseus, like I did every time I did a water extraction. I would say, though, that the vasoconstriction may cause you to feel very sluggish and annoyed at having to drag yourself around an amusement park.
 
Im not so sure that I would go with morning glory's at an amusement park myself. I find LSA to be unconductive to being active and around large groups of people, that could just be me however... to each his/ her own <3

I would check erowid to get a proper dose recommendation, i never did an extract, just consumed ~400- 500 seeds and enjoyed the trip after the tremendous purge.. ugh

Im merging this with the LSA extraction thread <3
 
In a few days I am going to soak about 200-300 (250ish) finely ground heavenly blue morning glory seeds in ether, the ether isn't the best quality available but, I'm going to do some research to try and find any other unlisted chemicals in it just to be sure I won't get anything really nasty. Since this should remove most of the chemicals in the seeds that cause nausea I won't follow up with an alcohol extraction, well really because my family would flip out if they ever saw my alcoholic ass with a bottle of booze again. I will most likely put them in gel caps or mix with a light meal and eat them. I have tried HBWR and MGs in the past and had no effect what so ever except throwing up once on the MGs. Hopefully since I won't be extracting the LSA with alcohol I won't lose any and will get a good and clean trip. I'll post afterward and let everyone know how it goes.
 
I might recommend using white vinegar for your extraction. Probably a bit better than just water, none of the load from the ethanol (everclear). Just a thought.
 
with these extraction methods is there a to put your finished product on blotter paper like proper 'sid' cos that would be sweet! even if you have to submerse the blotter paper for a while.... and would it work if you could?????
 
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