⫸STICKY⫷ Lab busts & explosions (2005-2017)

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I wish there was more info about this guy's set up. I wonder if he actually had the knowledge and means to pull this off, or was he a clueless amateur biting off more than he could chew. I kinda assume the latter, I bet this case comes down to him trying to order suspicious precursor chemicals (not knowing these things are watched) and getting ratted out to the authorities.

Clouser was taken into custody without incident and charged with criminal attempt to manufacture fentanyl and criminal use of a communication device.
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Criminal use of a communication device... WTF? I assume this charge stems from the fact that the guy used the internet for his recipe and to order chemicals. While I'm used to civil liberties being trampled in the name of the "war on drugs," this is getting eerily close to thought-crime à la George Orwell's 1984. The powers that be never seem to tire of coming up with new crimes to imprison people with.
 
I found another article about this guy, link. Contents of the article are inside NSFW tags.
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Police bust a dangerous drug lab in Dauphin County, closing down the operation and arresting the man running it.

A few weeks ago, Millersburg Police called Dauphin County and DEA investigators about a possible fentanyl lab at the 100 block of Hillside Heights in Millersburg. On Wednesday, after getting a search warrant, police busted in, and arrested Nathan Clouser.

They found evidence that he was in the process of setting up a lab to make drugs, which police say are similar to heroin.

The DA Ed Marsico says fentanyl related deaths are increasing throughout the US, "This was good police work. That interrupted this lab operation. And literally saved lives by not allowing this Fentanyl to get out on the streets."

Investigators say Clouser would order chemicals and other equipment he needed online. But they believe he never had a chance to start making the drug.

Even so, police say this lab was so dangerous that Clouser could soon face federal charges. "There's so much dire consequences that could have been a result of this,” said Jeffrey Bielski of the DEA. “I think this needs the attention of the federal government."

Even though Clouser was believed to have worked alone, CBS 21 News was told that more people could be arrested down the road.

Clouser is in Dauphin County Prison. His bail is set at $250,000.
From this article: "...Investigators say Clouser would order chemicals and other equipment he needed online. But they believe he never had a chance to start making the drug." I wonder if they will actually take this into account at his trial.
 
Intent is the same as the action itself, as is conspiracy. I was charged with criminal use of a communication device for using my cell phone to make deals a long, long time ago.

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For instance Stirfry, I can have all the ingredients in my house to create meth and the DEA could come raid my house and maybe id have a chance to fight it, but if I have them all prepared and laid out and spread out on my kitchen table in close proximity then they will charge you with 'intent to manufacture' wether you were or not.
 
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stirfry said:
Police bust a dangerous drug lab in Dauphin County, closing down the operation and arresting the man running it.

A few weeks ago, Millersburg Police called Dauphin County and DEA investigators about a possible fentanyl lab at the 100 block of Hillside Heights in Millersburg.
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heh, doesn't seem he actually had a lab. "Stopped him from starting a dangerous lab" seems a little more appropriate
 
Mora Fiend said:
Intent is the same as the action itself,
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no it's not.
/unless you mean in a legal sense, in which case he's proper-fuct!!! There's no way you can tell me he caused the same damage as a real producer does, and if he didn't, I don't see why he should have the same sentence. They'll probably treat this roughly the same as if he had it up and running, which seems unlikely (notable lack of # of chemicals, other drugs, cash, and millions of other things that're commonly found at, and mentioned about, such busts)
(if you and I both left a bar drunk, in our own cars, and one crashed/one didn't, the intent=action does not work. Does driving drunk constitute the action of a drunk-driving fatality?)
 
The communication device is most likely the computer he used to order the chemicals online. Most likely it was a controlled delivery and he admitted to it or they watched him for a bit and once he went to the storage unit they moved in. The only thing that seems weird in the article is this "said he had a built a secret laboratory to produce a drug 80 times stronger than heroin." What good is a secret if he was talking about it? Was he bragging on an online forum where he got the recipe? or was that when he confessed when the plan was foiled? Either way in my opinion it seems he got caught up talking about it on the computer or phone and then shipping multiple watched items to the same location which points to amateur, but thats imo
 
Yeah they can hit you with them communications charges for usin a cell phone like Mora Fiend said. A few years ago they had all the phones tapped in the hood and they hit a bunch of people with usin a public communications facility to distribute drugs or whatever.

It makes me wonder if dude makin this shit even knew anybody to put it on the streets or if he was just going to do it himself? I mean your average white boy in the middle of nowhere PA don't know somebody baggin' up shit. As much as I woulda like to of had some of this mixed with d, this bust is one of the few that probably actually saved a lot of lives.
 
Tbh, it sounds more like he was just cooking up a batch for personal use, they don't make any mention of him being connected to drug distribution or organized crime. It sounds like he just wanted to make a few batches and not worry about having to buy on the street to get high, but wasn't careful enough about ordering his precursors.
 
Hah, harrisburg is like 45 minutes from where i live. Id imagine that a bunch of the chems he ordered are on the DEA watch list. Methylvinylketone is one possible fent prechem and i am pretty sure that its a watched chemical and if you order it you will have the DEA's undivided attention. same thing with red phos and iodine, methylamine ect...

Very well could have saved lives with this bust. Make a bad measurement while cutting and you could have the difference between life and death.
 
But it seems the life/death aspect would probably only have applied to this kid. He had a ton more steps - seemingly - before he would've had it cutting up H all over the area.
I imagine that darwin would've dealt with it if the DEA didn't.
 
yea thats another thing, i am def not a chemist, but i seem to remember reading that synthetic opioid production isnt as easy as say making something like amphetamines or crystal meth....and even that is more difficult than it is made to be by the DEA and police agencies who like to say "if you can make a cake you can make crystal meth"
 
This is a good thing. Sounds like this guy would have either killed himself or many others if he succeeded. I don't even know how someone would make fent in a home lab. Just a small amount getting airborne could kill you or those around you.

Obviously people do it but I think that its probably in a more "pro" setup.
 
a small amount of what getting airborne?
This is a good thing. Sounds like this guy would have either killed himself or many others if he succeeded.
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Depends what you mean by "succeeded". If he was going to run a proper, safe lab at home and only self-administer his product, then this is NOT a good thing. If he was gonna distribute it, it's a good thing. If he was gonna blow himself up, and not hurt others, well.... seems to come down to whether it's better to see someone kill themselves with stupidity, or to see the DEA stop themselves from doing so ;P
 
Who cares what he was going to do with it, fuck him, he's a moron. He takes heat off someone else, and thats the reality of it.
 
The DEA cares, and people who don't want to see high fent OD's, or get hit from debris when their neighbor's house blows, etc etc etc
/sure it's good for people who get out of trouble because of it - but it's only good for them. Can't say I'm upset that this particular kid/guy got in trouble, like others have said it's likely he had never done this and that he probably got caught for being a tard googling "buy preeecurserzz + equipz and instrucshunz" and entered his address :|
 
The thing is though Shpongled has a very valid point, fentanyl is extremely dangerous in very very small ammounts, say he produced just an ounce of fentanyl that was 100% pure (just for arguments sake). That ounce is powerful enough to kill numerous people if not cut properly and taken care of.

Chances are that if the guy was smart enough to actually synthesize fentanyl then I would hope he was smart enough to know how to make it weak enough for personal use, because if not then it was a tragedy in the making.
 
Oh I agree! If he was incompetent/lazy/stupid/whatever enough to kill himself setting this up, I don't see much problem with letting him do so- IF he only kills himself AND he was making it for himself. No need to waste $ with the DEA, just let the insurance co decide if that part of the house gets fixed.
If he was attempting to make it for others, or had enough shit on-hand (or had recently had on-hand) to take out more people than himself, then, more or less, he deserves what's coming :/
 
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