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fentanyl (GENERICS)

Sorry, Sonic, I am good at doing that and don't even know I am doing it or that it bothers others when I do. :)
 
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can fentanyl, or anything absorbed through your capillaries, break/harm capillaries?
 
What do you mean? Subcutaneously? Fentanyl passes through the layers of the skin into the tiny capillaries that lie underneath the skin and is then absorbed directly into the bloodstream. From the bloodstream it goes to the brain and spinal cord.
 
I don't know if anyone else has mentioned this, but could the mylan patches use the same technologie as nicotine patches do? They are solid, and I had a friend who would cut one in half, and use them seperately, and they seemed to work fine. He just sealed the other half up in the pouch it came in until he was ready to use it. Their are other reports of ppl just putting the patch in their coffee. Those reports were from ppl with heavy tolerances though.
 
^ Cutting up my patch seemed to work. I'm not sure if the fentanyl is evenly distributed throughout the patch.
 
paradoxcycle said:
What do you mean? Subcutaneously? Fentanyl passes through the layers of the skin into the tiny capillaries that lie underneath the skin and is then absorbed directly into the bloodstream. From the bloodstream it goes to the brain and spinal cord.
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since it passes through capillaries, is it possible that it could ever harm them with frequent use, etc?
capillaries rarely ever heal if broken, and become those freaky looking spider veins.
 
All I know is that I was sore for about a week after wearing that damn patch (In the area I applied it). It was very strange.
 
I get 5 of the 50mcg patches every two weeks plus a little bit of oxyIR for breakthrough pain. Ive tried everything since Ive been out of the hospital the past month from oral morphine to 100mcg fent patches. Thank god for the generics they are way cheaper than the Duragesic brand. I first got one of the new ones in the hospital and was like what the hell is this the backing of a oatch where is the goo. I was also on 29mcg per 10min fentynal PCA plus 2mg morphine IV every hour ,2mg hydromorphone every 4hour plus 2mg adivan every 4 hours oh and 20 mg of methadone oralyTID. So I obviously am verry opiate tolerant at this point. anyways I have cut down considarbly.. But due to the long time it take up to about 34 hours to reach peak plasma levels on average I put 2 of the 50's on yesterday about 20 hours ago I guess. Anyways I was having mild withdrawl simtoms from the morphine I had been on and everything else so I took 50mg of OXYIR and slapt 2 patches on. Today I finaly feel back to normal and the pain is subsiding Ill probably just use 1 pathc tomorow. anyaways I have chewed on these things soaked them in water overnight and shot it IM and so far NADA zip Zero efect for me. I guess Ill just save up like 5 or ten and shred em and soak em in lemon juice or something and see if that works. for now Im going to wear them for 72 hours then try to extract the remnants. Oh acording to the package insert the half life is like 17 to 24 hours after patch removal. thats prety damn long so if you arnt tolereant IE taking at least 60mg oral morphine daily then dont even slap on a 25 because after it builds up you might be screwed and naloxone only lasts like 15 to 30 minutes so youd be in the hospital for like a day...If anyone figures out how to get high frome these things let me know. BTW they are structured like so
TOP LAYER ____________ <Plastic protective layer
NEXT ____________ < Silicone adhesive with Fentynal
NEXT ____________ < SAME AS ABOVE
Bottom ____________ <Protective layer with membrane and adhesive
Thats basicly what the insert says

so if that helps let me know also any other questions I have the full insert



L8r
 
A 50 mcg patch has 5.1 mg of fentanyl in it. So one 50mcg/hr patch equals 1.2 mg/24 hr period. So certainly all of the fentanyl is not being used after it is worn for 72 hours, but especially if it's worn for only 48 hours, there is a lot of fentanyl left! A 25 mcg patch equals .6 mg/24 hours. The fentanyl contents in a 25 mcg patch is 2.55 mg. Just some info.
 
Thats fucked how you get hold of this shit...you gotta know someone with cancer or something?
 
^ That or other pain. I knew a guy who had a fake hip who got patches. That and a dude who got hit arm mangled by a shark. hah
 
Fentanyl [Generic - Mylan] questions concerning breaking it down

So an acidic solution [water/vinegar] should dissolve the patch? Somebody mentioned it took 'over night' for it to dissolve is that about right?

I tried a piece the size of a blotter [lsd] cut it into small pieces and soaked and agitated it in a acidic solution for about 5 mins. Some dissolved but the majority of the patch was left. Filter inject. Small rush but definitely present.

Smoked a piece the same size of foil, got a little rush and had the taste of fentanyl in my mouth.

Any other ideas concerning breaking these down into a solution for IV?
 
^
i remember this post from navel he used alcohol to dissolve , check out his gallery was in he comments section of some fent patches
 
Need help with some questions...

Ok I decided to just wear one of these generic Mylan patches because it seems almost impossible to break down for IV. I have had a chunk [the size of one side of a dice cube, shreded into thin strips] sitting in Vinegar/water for over 6 hours now. I have been agitating it every hour looks about the same since I put it in there [also the solution is high in acidity], I guess I'll see later.

Now I have never worn a patch before, I have always injected the gel, took it sublingual, rubbed it on my gums, applied it to my temples, smoked it, or ate the gel. These Mylan brand ones just are not like the good ol' Duragesics. So I shaved an area over my heart, shaving off a few layers of skin it was nice and red. Than I wiped it down with an alcohol pad to remove any of the dead skin cells. Stuck it on and applied some scotch tape over it to better keep it affixed, I guess. Than randomly turned the hairdryer on hot and heated it up a few times over the course of time I have been wearing it.

My tolerance at the moment is about 4mg's of buprenorphine to stay well. Last time I took Bupe was Monday at about 11am. Yesterday I used IV morphine to keep me straight [probably 100'ish mg's IV'd & 40mg rectal, benzos, and a fair bit of amp salts. I normally take 4-8mg of Klonapin and 1-4mg of Ativan [which I havent dosed yet today].

This morning I injected 40-60mg's of Morphine [I forget actually] and have taken 60-80'ish mgs of Adderall. I also chewed/sublingual a piece of a 50ug patch [about the size of 2 blotters, think acid] and tried to inject some but its was to hard to get it dissolved I did get a slight rush though. Where am I going with this... oh yea, what to expect.

I put a 50ug patch on at 2:13 pm it has been about 3.5 hrs since than. I am starting to 'kinda' feel a slight opiate buzz, my eye site is kinda screwy but that could be from my contacts which I took out because they were bugging me and putting on my glasses sometimes has an effect on my eyes. Anyways people say it takes 6 hrs before it really starts to hit you and I am at about half that feeling slightly noddy. I have a gut feeling and a physical feeling this is going to hit me alot harder and I hate not knowing what to expect. So now my questions...

1] If at the 6 hr. mark I feel high could I take it off, how much will the effects of the Fentanyl thats already in my system increase?

2] I am slightly nervous taking my 'normal' benzo regimen, would it be safe to take some Klonapin [maybe say 2mgs] or would it be safer to take a short acting benzo say Ativan [maybe 2-3mgs]?

3] 'I told him to wear the patch only during waking hours, to avoid sleeping with the patch on.' - who me? posted this and I am wondering if this is something I should do?

4] If I take more Adderall that wont mess-up the high? I know its dangerous but if I start to feel uncomfortable in the high [too noddy, real high, etc.] would a few bumps of Adderall help to bring me back into it? I've done it before when loaded on heroin and needed something to help me open my eyes, so smoke some base, whooosh I am awake. The same goes for Neurontin, should I not dose that today I would take probably 1000-2000mgs. I am thinking I shouldnt take it.

5] How much fentanyl is stored in the body if I wore it for 6 hrs. how much higher should I expect the effects to get?

Basically I have never just worn a patch just abused it in every other manner and am a little nervous about how hard it will hit me or how hard it wont. As I type this now I feel pretty good and would assume it will get much stronger. I am in no mood to deal with an OD as I already have a wee bit of morphine still in my system from earlier. Hopefully I wont feel any signals of the beginning of benzo w/d as I am not feeling to comfortable eating some benzos as I am already feeling pretty good 4.5 hrs since I plastered it on my chest over my heart. I am entertaing the idea of taking it off because I am already feeling pretty good and I know it will just build in intensity/strength/nod. I have been a junky for almost 15 yrs now and tend to know my body very well when it comes to opiates and I am in no mood to push my limits as why that last question is so important.

Any help answering these questions would be appreciated greatly, especially #5. Damn it ended up taking me forever to post this jeez...
 
If you think it will be to much to handle then take it off. But I'm sure, knowing you, that it wouldn't be anything you can't handle. If you take it off prematurally, can you still put it back on, say, tomorrow. Let me know how this works out, as the other thing was top notch. I was suprised. Hope you get some replies soon.
 
Yeah I think I might take it off, dont want to deal with being completely zonked out. Yea you can take it off prematurely and reapply it later and not lose to much.

I want some replies to Damn it
 
They are the same patches, cut a 50 in half and just chewed on it for about an hour (while I was starting to nod out lol). It was different than the gels. The gel seemed to kick in quicker and was out quicker. The patch patch ones just kicked on a little slower and lasted like twice as long with a good good nod ;p I miss them :'(

I would never wear them (considering you are just taking it the way its being prescribed which we all dont like doing :P). Eat the patch. I didnt know they made those that were just patch (no gel to squeeze out) like that when I got them and so I just ate the whole patch. It worked just as good :P
 
blahblahblahblah said:
Yeah I think I might take it off, dont want to deal with being completely zonked out. Yea you can take it off prematurely and reapply it later and not lose to much.

I want some replies to Damn it
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Take it off, you probably read what happened to me. I had no tolerence at the time, but I probably wouldn't have been sick had I taken it off and just worn it during the day.
 
Saying that you need to be careful with these patches is an understatement. I would never wear them, I would always eat the patch. Wearing them is just what its prescribed for, which does not attract me. Eating it will put yuou on one hell of a ride though (well one hell of a nod) haha ;p But yes, one friend ate 50 mcg, drank alcohol, and had some xanax and OD'd. The very next day he took ONLY the 50 mcg again and OD'd once again (god its fun watching your friend stop breathing, lips turn blue, and everything else for several hours. Maybe thats why I say be cautious with this shit :P).
 
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