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Phenethylamines Do you consider MDMA a psychedelic?

Is MDMA psychedelic? (please answer only if you know that it was MDMA you took!)

  • Yes

    Votes: 229 62.1%

  • No

    Votes: 140 37.9%
  • Total voters
    369
I would say yes.

There is much about the MDMA experience that separates it from more ordinary stimulants. 2c-b and shrooms always feel a bit MDMA like to me. There has also been occasions when something will unsettle me on MDMA something only psychedelics are strong enough to do.
 
^well said


I don't consider it a psychedelic unless I'm seeing stuff, and I don't really get visuals from mdma. Not scientific in the slightest, but thats how I see things.
 
I used to love it, but it started being less and less euphoric each time, and the aftereffects were worse and the last time I used it triggered the most horrible chemically-imbalanced depression and anxiety-filled month of my life, with brain zaps every 30 seconds and sleep paralysis and feeling like I had been run over by a truck. It was truly horrible. And I didn't abuse it, just used it very occasionally, approximately 18 times in 6 years.
 
^^^ of course I'm sure there we're all other kinds of phens and tryps polkadotted thoughout those six years too, right? Can't put ALL that mental stress on mdma can you? Yeah E can get on top of your ass if you do it all the time, but your frequency of dosing there seems very reasonable, I would say up to 24 in 6 years would still be safe. All the other 'Researching' must have had an impact in the eventual break down too, don't ya think? Maybe it a just a roll that just triggered it?
 
I suppose (well the past 2 years have had other substances... I only used mushrooms and MDMA before 2006), but I continued to use other things afterwards and it never happened again... actually I continued to use a whole lot of other things afterwards. But of course you're right, there were other factors. Then again, MDMA has been shown to release serotonin and cause damage to serotonin receptor sites by reuptaking dopamine into them, a property that not many psychedelics share. For this reason, MDMA creeps me out... I have a feeling that it causes unseen changes in the brain which may or may not be noticeable. or which may show up decades later. I have no proof of this but just a hunch that it's much worse for you than most people think.
 
Yeah that scared me when I learned about the dopamine causing damage afterwards, especially since I had a habit of doing probably the WORST possible thing on the come down considering the dopamine damage factor- coke. No more of that. I try to take some prozac after now, it is supposed to fill all the receptors so they can't get damaged.

It definitely causes some damage, though, I don't know about how permanent. I've fucked up my vocabulary and general thought processing abilities for quite a few months before, after a good 6 months of rolling almost every other week. Bounced back and started college and score a 4.0 two semesters in a row about a year after I stopped (binge)rolling, so I guess didn't do anything too permanent. And on the plus side (after all the depression lifted and I was able to sort through all the breakthroughs and experiences) I wound up happier then I was before having rolled, with a better over all out look on life. So in the long run I guess it was worth it.... though all my re-grown brain cells probably get chills when I say that.
 
Yeah MDMA is nice but I get the spider sense that it's actually not very good for you in the long term... something unsettling about the receptor pruning that doesn't sit right with me. I much much prefer "classic" psychs than MDMA and friends...
 
Yes. I get effects commonly associated with LSD -- namely visual distortions and odd thought combinations -- on the latter half of a roll, particularly a pure one.

During the peak, no. By itself, at non-heroic doses, MDMA is not a psychedelic for me.

Jamshyd said:
Pollified ;)
I find that MDMA does to my feelings EXACTLY what amphetamines do to my intellect (and on a personal note, both end up with a feeling of being cheated, but thats another story).
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Yeah I'd pretty much agree with that. For me, it's not so much a feeling of being cheated, if I'm able to take the fruits of the experience back with me to soberland, i.e. I accomplished something significant with the help of the stimulant, that has helpful and lasting effects into my daily life.

This is why I would describe this same feeling as 'having just blown my whole paycheck in one fell-swoop.' I may have purchased something of great value, that I really could've used. But whether I have or not, I'm now broke as a joke until about 2 weeks from now.
 
I think MDMA is unclassifiable into any one group.

you get a physical increase in energy, talkativeness, a chattering jaw and raised heart rate - stimulant
however you also feel intense relaxation and heavy eyelids - depressant
intense euphoria and connection to others - empathogen
enhanced tactile sensations - entactogen
mild visuals at high doses (I have experienced this) - psychedelic
extremely altered depth perception at high doses - dissociative perhaps?

I could go on, but every single effect of MDMA seems to belong to a different "category". Physically it is a mildly hallucinogenic stimulant, but those who've tried it, including myself, are usually inclined to disagree.
I believe its just a state-of-mind-alterer, and that's what I like about it.
 
I would say it's a psychedelic,

Even with moderate doses, MDMA seems to give a new quality to all the sensory input around you. Granted, it's not as intense as LSD/shrooms, but still you are perceiving the world in a different way. It might a beauty infused world vs a trippy world, but I think my argument still stands. And I've never heard of stimulants having this kind of effect.

MDMA can also stimulate thoughts/speech patters that tend to be illusive in a normal state of being. IME, these thoughts can have an immensely profound effect, more so than traditional psychedelics.

I think the difficulty of classifying MDMA stems the personal nature of its effects. I've found that introverted/socially anxious people tend to have a much more profound experience from MDMA than people who are more less okay with themselves. I guess it's just another wonder of MDMA.
 
The definition of psychedelic is "mind manifesting" Mdma certainly has mind manifesting properties.
 
Do i think MDMA is a psychedelic? No, I do not. It just does not offer what LSD, Psilocybin, Mescaline... etc, does. It's an extraordinary compound when used in moderation and proper settings that you can benefit from no questions asked, but it acts completely different than a true psychedelic would.
 
Mr_Fluffykins said:
thats what i find about E, its fake, it bring you to a "LOVE HAPPY OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG I LOVE YOU" state, psychedellics bring you to a state where it could go either good or bad,
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And what's so fake about the loved up feeling of MDMA? If we use your logic, the LSD experience is also fake. Just because you feel euphoric/empathic during the whole experience, doesn't make a substance any less psychedelic. For one person the MDMA simply represents a few hours of feeling good, for others it represent a profound experience that has the potential to change their outlook on life.

I am not arguing specifically about the label 'psychedelic', you can call it whatever you want. But your belief that the euphoric properties of MDMA disqualify it from manifesting profound thoughts is just plain wrong. By this logic LSD just brings you into "OMG, THE WALLS ARE BREATHING! YAY I FEEL ONE WITH NATURE!" state.
 
MDMA is a classic psychedelic. The first-ever synthesized psychedelic drug, in fact (outdating LSD by several decades).

Like many phenethylamines and tryptamines, it's also a stimulant.

Respectfully, this question is akin to "Are tomatoes fruits?". Some people may be uncertain, but the answer is a definitive and objective yes.

Peacelove,
Aldousage
 
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