Phenethylamines Do you consider MDMA a psychedelic?

[Drock5723]

I say a cross between psychadelic and stimulant.

 

[spec1al_k]

I retought a little about the thread here and found my own words for describining the effects ^^
As all of you may agree MDMA definitely has psychedelic effects, it differs in one point extremly significant to "real" psychedelics:
The dissolution of your I, your person, doesn't take place, whilst nearly all other effects are there.
So i would say MDMA may be the the highest high(i use the term high especially because of the elevated serotonin exposure and the, for me, associated feelings to that action) possible without that trip feeling, so without being psychedelic

 

[<pyridinyl_30>]

I consider MDMA (by the way, did you know that MDMA can be synthesized from aspirin in 8 synthetic steps?) to be a mild psychedelic; after all, one of its metabolites is MDA.

However, I believe that it is MDMA's stimulant effects--its 'adrenaline rush'--which keep people coming back for even more than they would have otherwise. If MDMA were a pure hallucinogen, I don't think its price would run as high as 20 dollars or more a pill.

I mean, just compare MDMA's structure to that of adrenaline, and you know it's got to be good!

 

[5-HT2]

^ what is the particular neurochemical/pharmacological extension of the term 'hallucinogen'?

Again, the definition is more psychologically than pharmacologically based. Strictly defined, a hallucinogen is a substance that causes hallucinations. In practice it is often used to refer to drugs that induce hallucinations without reliably triggering delirium or psychosis.

 

[delta_9]

Again, the definition is more psychologically than pharmacologically based. Strictly defined, a hallucinogen is a substance that causes hallucinations. In practice it is often used to refer to drugs that induce hallucinations without reliably triggering delirium or psychosis.

IMO, what's more important than the definition of hallucinogen, is the definition of hallucination People mistake visuals from traditional(lsd, psilocybin, ect.) psychedelics as "hallucinations".
Basically, psychedelics and dissociatives dont cause visual hallucinations, only audible.

 

[retired_chemist]

I find MDMA to be at best borderline psychedelic, but mostly just boring.

MDA is distinctly psychedelic.

 

[5-HT2]

IMO, what's more important than the definition of hallucinogen, is the definition of hallucination People mistake visuals from traditional(lsd, psilocybin, ect.) psychedelics as "hallucinations".

Agreed. A true hallucination consists of seeing something that is not really there, not merely visual distortions.

Basically, psychedelics and dissociatives dont cause visual hallucinations, only audible.

That's not true at all. Most psychedelics and dissociatives are capable of causing true hallucinations without concomitantly inducing psychosis or delirium. However, just because they are capable of doing so does not mean that it happens all the time.

 

[open_yourmind]

not really simply because ive taken straight molly before and it was purely euphoric (also kind of tiring definitely no up). no visuals, no hallucinations, nada.

however when i went EDC this year and I took a nice cocktail of rules with molly I definitely got some visuals. then again those light shows can play some crazy tricks on your eyes.

 

[Aeon Psyche]

I say no. Even if it gave me some of the most mind-blowing and strongest visuals ever I still wouldn't consider it a psychedelic. At the least it has very minor psychedelic qualities.

 

[FineYoungCannibal]

Ive taken pure MDMA crystals many times and I really dont consider it a psychedelic. I mean it kind of is, but its a lot more than just a psychedelic, i think.

 

[rangrz]

I'd say its a stimulant with some weak physedelic properties. Ditto for some of the 2C's and the piperazines, stimulants that can cause some "trippyness" and visuals and tend to distort your thinking process and interefere with clear logical though, vs more classical stimulants (cocaine, amphetamine, methylphenidate) which, in any sane dose, leave your congnitive functions intact/enhanced.

But yes, I would say it crosses over into physedelic status, not a terribly strong or profound physedelic, but it can fully manifest as such in the right dosage and with (bad) luck. I say bad luck as physedelic != stimulant party drug.

But I've had very introspective and trippy times on MDMA that fully reminded me of classic physedelics.

 

[peacebone]

My state of mind is completely different on MDMA/Stimulants than it is on Psychedelics- I never enter "tripspace" on MDMA, usually I just feel blatantly euphoric, energetic, and love-y. Often when I'm tripping, I either won't understand the concept of time or just won't care about it, I remember instances on MDMA thinking "okay I have this long until I come down..." etc.

Music does have that 3d quality to it on MDMA, like it does when you're tripping, but I just feel like the headspace is different.

 

[OGbandito]

i didnt read any of this. but im going to give my input anyway.

no, i dont believe mdma is a psychedelic.

MDA on the other hand......

 

[tranceformers]

Yes and no, I've talked to people who weren't there for quite some time on MDMA. That seems more like a deliriant property to me

But, you do see some crazy closed eye visuals. So I can't decide

and it's a true stimulant too..

 

[bluedolphin]

It is not a psychedelic, although it can give you visuals.

I consider it more of a euphoriant/deleriant(at higher doses).

Psychedelic drugs project the truth from within. MDMA pushes euphoric truths upon you that simply may not be based in reality.

 

[discopupils]

after last weekend, a definite yes.
I binged on the stuff,
the greenhouse outside was breathing, the lights from the ends of our cigarettes were moving and leaving brilliant trancers, coloured dots on the ceiling, a white figure in my room, I could see things scuttling across the floor as well.
Halos, morphing, and colour changes were also noticed.
High dose MDMA is certainly, undoubtedly psychedelic

 

[DOB]

MDMA is psychedelic only in high doses.Cev,tracers,auditory perception is altered strongly,and that transcendental feeling is very similiar to lsd or dob.
It boost ego? That dont work for me,it shut down my ego and after that,i am in auto-pilot mode.

 

[Morninggloryseed]

It is a psychedelic in my book....assuming we use the definition of psychedelic as "mind expanding drug." For unlike Bluedolphin's experiences, MDMA has given me insights that make it indistinguishable in effect from LSD/mescaline-type psychedelics. These insights are not the type of effect I associate with ketamine-type high and I do not consider ketamine a psychedelic at all.

 

[B9]

IMO, what's more important than the definition of hallucinogen, is the definition of hallucination People mistake visuals from traditional(lsd, psilocybin, ect.) psychedelics as "hallucinations".
Basically, psychedelics and dissociatives dont cause visual hallucinations, only audible.

As a rule I'd agree that no they do not - but if you take enough they certainly can produce hallucinations.

 

[fastandbulbous]

Would people who don't think MDMA is a psychedelic consider 2C-T-21 a psychedelic? If no, why as it's a PEA with a similar substitution pattern; if yes, why if you don't consider MDMA as it has more in common with MDMA than say psilocybin?