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Phenethylamines Do you consider MDMA a psychedelic?

Is MDMA psychedelic? (please answer only if you know that it was MDMA you took!)

  • Yes

    Votes: 229 62.1%

  • No

    Votes: 140 37.9%
  • Total voters
    369
morninggloryseed said:
MDMA is most definitely a psychedelic if going by the classic definition (a mind-expanding drug). MDMA is not a visual experience like mescaline or LSD, but neither is DiPT, a-ET, or 5-MeO-DMT...yet no one argues that these are psychedelics.

I feel there is a continuum along which psychedelics lay....I don't think its linear but nevertheless some psychedelics are visionary, some are entactogenic, some are just sensory and others are all or some of this.
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QFT

"psychedelic" is conventionally used as a very general term, which means it is not appropriate for describing the particular manner in which a drug is mind-manifesting. For instance, MDMA is often described as a "psychedelic stimulant" by the media yet does this definition explicitly capture the major qualitative aspect of the experience?
 
fastandbulbous said:
OK, for the people saying no, do you consider THC/cannabis psychedelic?
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In the sense that it makes me paranoid and gives me anxiety? Sure. Although if I smoke enough hash I notice tracers on occasion.
 
I think of psychedellics as something that can alter your thoughts, get you thinking some stuff that under normal conditions, you probably never would. Like on shrooms my thoughts are bouncing all over the place,almost multipul personality like. You can come up with the most rediculus shit out of nowhere. With MDMA, you don't think 'crazy' things, your thoughts are completely your own, but without any fear or social anxieties to inhibit their free flow. You are your pure self. (of course at the proper dose, too much and your just retarded)
 
MDMA is most definitely "psychedelic", if we use the meaning of the word: from Greek psykhe - mind & delos - make visible/clear, we have "mind manifesting". A psychedelic, therefore, alters perception by causing mental and emotional processes to manifest or be made visible/clear. MDMA, for this dude, anyways, definitely pulls my emotions and thoughts clean of a barrier-filled mind, allowing me to understand them.

However, the definition of "psychedelic" has been effectively changed to mean LSD-like in effects, producing hallucinations or alterations in perception, or producing synaesthesia. MDMA has some of these qualities, and so it is at least a mild psychedelic.
 
If you take the term psychedelic and look through a lens of neuropharmacology or neurochemistry, then you may be unlikely to find a 'natural kind' with an equivalent set containing chemicals that 'lay people' may call a psychedelic (eg MDMA).
 
psychedelicious said:
MDMA is most definitely "psychedelic", if we use the meaning of the word: from Greek psykhe - mind & delos - make visible/clear, we have "mind manifesting". A psychedelic, therefore, alters perception by causing mental and emotional processes to manifest or be made visible/clear. MDMA, for this dude, anyways, definitely pulls my emotions and thoughts clean of a barrier-filled mind, allowing me to understand them.
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QFT!!
 
samadhi_smiles said:
If you take the term psychedelic and look through a lens of neuropharmacology or neurochemistry, then you may be unlikely to find a 'natural kind' with an equivalent set containing chemicals that 'lay people' may call a psychedelic (eg MDMA).
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Tricho cacti are about as close as I have gotten to MDMA with ethnobotanicals, although mimohuasca shares some aspects with MDMA, especially after the peak when you are glad to be coming down...
 
^I don't mean to hijack, but I'd wager that many natural stimulants which are at least slightly euphoric and trippy would feel like a brother of MDMA (who was born at the same time as MDMA but isn't identical), if you preloaded with piracetam and/or hydergine (also some lecithin for backup choline supply). Taking piracetam before dextroamphetamine or cocaine increases the euphoria profoundly, as well as protecting the brain from the toxic FX of such stimulants.

At the height of my cocaine addiction, I remembered that I had a few 800mg piracetam caps left, and figured there's no way they'd take away from my high, so why not see if the nootropic would get me higher? Surely enough, half a minute after my first line, I felt an MDMA-like rush of euphoria and love! It was fantastic! I even *slept* that night (I usually only took 15 minute naps a couple times a day - I did a line or two every couple hours, without fail, for almost four months), which was no easy feat at that time in my life. Anyways, I *highly* recommend eating a gram or so of piracetam before dosing your stimulants and euphoriants, but not your psychedelics, unless you really know what you're doing! That's some very powerful, chaotic medicine there...
 
^^Ive tried just about every "ethnobotanical" stimulant out there and none (not even sida cordifolia, by far my favorite of them) come even close. I'd love to find one that does;)

Have you tried any pedicularis species with piracetam??
 
Have not. Do you mean that you've tried all of them w/ piracetam/hydergine/lecithin? I have a feeling khat would feel realllllly nice w/ some piracetam. I am also very interested in calamus, first alone, the in combination.
 
I don't consider MDMA a psychedelic but I do consider MDA as a slight one.... I have never had a slight visual change on MDMA except for maybe blurred vision. On MDA however I have had all kinds of visual distorts like colors trailing everywhere and just things moving slightly but you can control it and turn it off.
 
psychedelicious said:
Have not. Do you mean that you've tried all of them w/ piracetam/hydergine/lecithin? I have a feeling khat would feel realllllly nice w/ some piracetam. I am also very interested in calamus, first alone, the in combination.
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No, nootropics are not my thing; I feel no need for them...

Calamus root is sublime, but is has to be fresh, the dried root is worthless.

pm me for more info;)
 
mushi mushi 88 said:
I don't consider MDMA a psychedelic but I do consider MDA as a slight one.... I have never had a slight visual change on MDMA except for maybe blurred vision. On MDA however I have had all kinds of visual distorts like colors trailing everywhere and just things moving slightly but you can control it and turn it off.
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Visual != psychedelic
 
Xorkoth said:
That means visual does not equal psychedelic for those not initiated into computer mathematical notation.
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yeah, never would have guessed that
 
I think I'm one of those people who has a really effective mechanism for demethylating the nitrogen on MDMA. I get some FANTASTIC visuals from MDMA, not necessarily right away, but towards the latter part of the roll where the intensity starts to fade, perhaps T+4h. Then, after my body is all worn out, I lay down, listen to music, close my eyes and get lost in the immersive CEVs. They're so much different from any of the other psychedelics I've done. They're rounded, not jagged. Sometimes they remind me of the flowers from the mystery machine, spinning around in circles and changing colors. As I recall they're mostly purple/pink and blue. I experience this effect from both MDMA and Methylone.
 
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