Charlottesville, Virginia

[Shimmer.Fade]

This thread is about a blatant display of racism and bigotry in Charlottesville, Virginia. This thread is about an innocent young lady from Charlottesville who was murdered by someone who believed in white supremacy and nazism. This thread isn't about liberals and how you all don't like them.

The constitution protects free speech, and no one has suggested doing away with the 1st amendment.

These people clearly care nothing about Robert E. Lee or what he stood for, and were searching for something to bitch about. The argument that these statues have a place in our society is a fallacious one. Monuments are reserved for great men/women and actions/events, and these statues of traitors are not monuments. The vast majority were erected 50 years after the Civil War at the peak of Jim Crow laws.

There are countless Civil War museums, battlefields, and monuments to true patriots which serve as memorials to what happened.

The constitution doesn't stop people from forming their own opinions and taking their own actions against nazis and white supremacists, or their apologists/sympathizers. It isn't your job to protect these nazis/white supremacists from others who find them despicable. If you think it is, you are either one of them or a sympathizer.

Fresco and Meth are derailing this thread over and over with personal attacks, disinformation, misrepresentation of what people said, and topic changes.

To support and defend the nazis or white supremacists who proudly flew their swastikas and white power symbols is what would be expected from a textbook nazi/white supremacist apologist/sympathizer. Calling a duck a duck is what most people in this thread have done. No one called either one of you a nazi/white supremacist, even though you might be. The simple support as opposed to denunciation earned you the title of nazi/white supremacist apologist/sympathizer.

 

[Shimmer.Fade]

LOL....you are honestly going down that road now where you think I'm defending Nazi's??

And you call it a "schtick"???

Holy shit

Then what do you call your actions?

Defending free speech? Give me a break.

 

[Fresco]

Defending free speech?

Yes.....DUH!!!

Are you guys having a hard time with this??
The fact you can defend free speech, and at the the same time not agree with it??

 

[Fresco]

Fresco and Meth are derailing this thread over and over with personal attacks

Where have I attacked anyone??

 

[Shimmer.Fade]

Yes.....DUH!!!

Are you guys having a hard time with this??
The fact you can defend free speech, and at the the same time not agree with it??

How are you defending free speech? All I read is about how liberals/progressives shouldn't be so vocal about some poor nazis and white supremacists because it might hurt their feelings. If anything you are trying to shut one side up, which is the opposite of what you claim to be doing.

 

[Fresco]

How are you defending free speech?

Because:

A. I dont infringe on your opinion whatsoever
B. I will never ask to ban you, or to silence you on this forum

 

[Shimmer.Fade]

Where have I attacked anyone??

Liberals, as per usual, cannot be debated with. They get their petty little feet stepped upon and want everyone who doesnt agree with their opinions be labeled as "trolls" and possibly be banned 8)

Here you are misrepresenting someone based on the typical lies of liqmethhead:

ROFLMAO........he actually believes that!!

Attempting to change the topic:

Hey, what do we have here:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/19/europe...lly/index.html

Another shift:

No, because radical Islam is a very new thing right now (relatively speaking), thats scourging the West at the moment, and its only going to get very, very worse!!!

If you wanna stick your head in the sand and ignore whats going on, then so be it

Another shift:

Oh look, what do we have here: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/racist-graffiti-saying-no-whites-11003123

Here you are changing the topic and speaking out of your ass with an attempted insult (not realizing I'm not German):

You guys also still have a dormant lying anti-semitism amongst your populace which I hope never surfaces again. Every single anti-semitic person I've ever met in my life has been either Russian, Arab or German (with Germans probably being the worst).

Whats up with that??

Another attempted topic change away from nazism/white supremacy towards radical islam:

I'm just curious, but would you say the same about radical muslims?? Not necessarily terrorists but radicals who believe in Sharia law and that infidels should live separate, but dont believe in terrorism per se

You present an obvious bias, and considering how actual nazis/white supremacists and their sympathizers/apologists have started pretending they are just protesting a non-existent threat to their 'free speech' you can maybe follow how we might get confused.

I shouldn't lump you in with LiquidMethod because I do believe that you believe you are somehow defending free speech.

 

[Fresco]

You are right that it is probably wrong to call you a nazi/white supremacist apologist

Thank you. We'll leave it at that

 

[Shimmer.Fade]

Because:

A. I dont infringe on your opinion whatsoever
B. I will never ask to ban you, or to silence you on this forum

Neither are most people with regards to the nazis/white supremacists. Somehow you felt the need to take up the mantle of free speech protector, yet no one is threatening their right to free speech. Do you see maybe why this makes no sense? You are defending something which isn't even under attack.

 

[Shimmer.Fade]

Thank you. We'll leave it at that

No, we won't. I try to be civilized, and you just have to take the low road. You again have misrepresented what I said on purpose. I said probably, but not definitely. I've changed my mind already.

How about we get back on topic. Do white extremist terrorists concern you at all? Are there many in Canada?

 

[spacejunk]

"free speech" in action:

Alt-right cancels California book burning of ‘degenerate literature’ after organizer says he fears liberals

Juan Cadavid organized a book-burning event with Brian Enright of the Three Percenters to be held at Huntington State Beach in California. The event was dubbed “Burning Degeneracy – CA,” but they have recently decided to cancel the event out of fear.

According to The OC Weekly, the group advertised the Aug. 19 event by telling people that it was time to “purge their homes, State, and country of degenerate literature.”

“This includes literature of Marxism, Communism, Bolshevism, literature with liberal, democratic tendencies/attitudes, and writings supporting the decline of Western Culture,” the event description read. “Books on sexuality and sexual education which serves to indoctrinate the life of degeneracy, such as Cosmo and Teen Vogue should be brought to the fire as well. We will also burn the Koran, publications such as Karl Marx, and more. We must create a future without degeneracy for our children.”

As news of the event spread across California liberal groups on Facebook, people gathered to troll the event page. Citing President Donald Trump’s use of the term alt-left to allege a violent uprising was happening among liberals that is akin to Nazis, Cadavid’s group canceled the event and deleted their page.

“I do not want to go into a long explanation at this time,” Cadavid began. “The event was in no way intended to eradicate these publications, more a symbolic way of showing that we do not approve of what is being taught to our children and maybe that should have been made clearer, I do not endorse the censorship of literature or personal political views in any way.”

He alleged that the “credible threats of violence from the left” prompted him to cancel.

“Free speech in America is under attack and as much as I do not want to shut this event down due to strong personal convictions regarding free speech, I cannot be responsible for injury or death due to intolerance from the violent Socialists,” he closed, according to OC Weekly.

Book-burning was used by the Nazis to censor cultural, religious, or political opposition, according to The U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum. In 1933 Germany, Nazis “aimed to synchronize professional and cultural organizations with Nazi ideology and policy,” the museum explained. “The government purged cultural organizations of Jewish and other officials alleged to be politically suspect or who performed or created art works which Nazi ideologues labeled ‘degenerate.'”

Cadavid used the same language in his event description of the book burning.

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"“Free speech in America is under attack and as much as I do not want to shut this event down due to strong personal convictions regarding free speech, I cannot be responsible for injury or death due to intolerance from the violent Socialists,” he closed, according to OC Weekly."
boo fucking hoo.
these same sort of weasel words i keep reading here. yet - "Book-burning was used by the Nazis to censor cultural, religious, or political opposition"

the hypocrisy of these idiots is breathtaking. what's even more bizarre to me is people taking to bluelight - of all places - to voice their support of this shit.

i'm yet to see a single convincing reason why we should tolerate these people, who are actively trying to deny people of their free speech.

 

[Shimmer.Fade]

"free speech" in action:


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"“Free speech in America is under attack and as much as I do not want to shut this event down due to strong personal convictions regarding free speech, I cannot be responsible for injury or death due to intolerance from the violent Socialists,” he closed, according to OC Weekly."
boo fucking hoo.
these same sort of weasel words i keep reading here. yet - "Book-burning was used by the Nazis to censor cultural, religious, or political opposition"

the hypocrisy of these idiots is breathtaking. what's even more bizarre to me is people taking to bluelight - of all places - to voice their support of this shit.

i'm yet to see a single convincing reason why we should tolerate these people, who are actively trying to deny people of their free speech.

We don't have to and we shouldn't tolerate these people. We should feel free to tell them what we think of them any time we get a chance. If they want to take it to the next level then so be it.

We should allow them to speak their minds, but that doesn't entail that their words should have no consequences. If they stay non-violent then so should we. The problem in Charlottesville was that they started using violence. If we can push these beasts back into their cages using non-violent means then we should. If they want a fight there are lots of people who are more than willing to give them a fight.

Also, when they come armed to the teeth they forfeit their right to peacefully assemble. There is nothing peaceful about being armed in a way more befitting a military operation. Why can't they just leave the guns at home for their exercise in free speech? Psy-Ops play a huge role in any conflict, and this is no different. The government has been lenient so far because they don't want to see a blood bath or push these people further over the edge, but they need to start cracking down on these guys who are obviously seeking to intimidate people into silence.

 

[Fresco]

Somehow you felt the need to take up the mantle of free speech protector

Yes I did. You should try it sometime

Do you see maybe why this makes no sense?

It makes perfect sense

 

[Scrofula]

Thank you. We'll leave it at that

I won't leave it there. How is it wrong to call you a nazi apologist? So far this session you've only skirted the edges, but previously this thread you did a nose-dive into their views (mainly immigration). You know, politely and without slurs, so apologist--someone who tries to explain the irrational actions of the group--rather than the full label.

 

[Fresco]

How about we get back on topic. Do white extremist terrorists concern you at all? Are there many in Canada?

I shiver in my boots for white extremists all day long 8)

 

[Fresco]

I won't leave it there. How is it wrong to call you a nazi apologist? So far this session you've only skirted the edges, but previously this thread you did a nose-dive into their views (mainly immigration). You know, politely and without slurs, so apologist--someone who tries to explain the irrational actions of the group--rather than the full label

Are you off your meds today, Scro???

 

[Shimmer.Fade]

Yes I did. You should try it sometime

Really? Insinuating that I am against someone's constitutional right to free speech is disingenuous. Unless you can actually back up your insinuation then I'll feel free to call you a liar.

What did you mean about not, "infringing on your[my] opinion whatsoever", anyways? So something as simple as voicing a different opinion than you violates your free speech? I'd love for you to explain what you mean.

No one is trying to silence you.

It makes perfect sense

No, it doesn't. Protecting something not under attack is like trying to take a shit when you don't need to. Doesn't make sense.

The only reasoning I can come up with is that you would like to infer that these peoples' right to free speech is under attack in order to drum up conflict where there is none.

 

[Shimmer.Fade]

I shiver in my boots for white extremists all day long 8)

Do you mind if I ask what race and religious denomination you are? Dutch/Canadian could be a lot of things, but I guess you mean 'white'?

 

[Erikmen]

It's interesting to hear terms like that 'Dutch/Canadian', for instance. I worked with Canadians for about 5-6 years and I would only be referred to them as French Canadian or Anglophones. It was mostly for us to know in what language they'd feel more comfortable speaking or from what Province they were coming from.

Now in states I'd always be presented to Irish-Americans, or from Scotland even though their grandparents would still be Americans. I guess it's part of the culture especially in New England area.

 

[LiquidMethod]

This thread is about a blatant display of racism and bigotry in Charlottesville, Virginia. This thread is about an innocent young lady from Charlottesville who was murdered by someone who believed in white supremacy and nazism. This thread isn't about liberals and how you all don't like them.

OK Mr Thread moderator. A white supremacist killed a woman. Care to further delve into the moments surrounding that event and the larger picture as to why specific groups are experiencing tension with each other? "NO DON'T WANT TO DISCUSS THAT YOU'RE A NAZI SYMPATHIZER FOR EVEN SUGGESTING IT WHAT IS IMPORTANT IS THAT A NAZI KILLED AN INNOCENT WOMAN! NAZI NAZI NAZI" (this is getting fucking pathetic).

These people clearly care nothing about Robert E. Lee or what he stood for, and were searching for something to bitch about. The argument that these statues have a place in our society is a fallacious one. Monuments are reserved for great men/women and actions/events, and these statues of traitors are not monuments. The vast majority were erected 50 years after the Civil War at the peak of Jim Crow laws.

The Democratic Party were the ones lynching black people and owning slaves. Zero Republicans owned slaves. Shouldn't we do away with the Democratic Party?

Fresco and Meth are derailing this thread over and over with personal attacks, disinformation, misrepresentation of what people said, and topic changes.

No, you're just babbling emotional nonsense and I'm calling out your fallacious arguments.

Neither are most people with regards to the nazis/white supremacists. Somehow you felt the need to take up the mantle of free speech protector, yet no one is threatening their right to free speech. Do you see maybe why this makes no sense? You are defending something which isn't even under attack.

Antifa shut down Ann Coulter's speech at Berkeley by violently rioting and assaulting people attempting to enter. This is what a direct threat to free speech looks like. Unless you wish to label Coulter a Nazi, then you have the right to commit terrorism to prevent her from speaking. Question remains though: is she really a Nazi?

How is it wrong to call you a nazi apologist?

Depends. Were you calling those same people Russian spies a few months ago?