As far as vaping from an E Cig yes you will get effects but for me it basically just keeps the high going. Motivated,horny but not alot of euphoria. THe only time i get euphoria is with 300 mg IV and this last batch I got I didn't have my scale but swear I through in over 300 and there wasn't much of a rush. I can't function without a benzo on this stuff. I feel kinda cracked out or slightly paranoid after a few hours. I swear there is some quality that doesn't cause this but I'm way overdosing so I should expect it.
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InterestingFACT
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I was under the impression that "crystals" were always assumed to be a higher purity than powder, if the vendor provides a choice in the matter.
Though of course the powder should just be more finely milled crystal, so there should e no real difference. It's easier to cut with -caines, I suppose, but you can also recrystalize a composite product so long as you find a suitable cut.
Though of course the powder should just be more finely milled crystal, so there should e no real difference. It's easier to cut with -caines, I suppose, but you can also recrystalize a composite product so long as you find a suitable cut.
I've had powder form that seemed weaker and didn't give a rush. It was still good in lower doses for clean stimulation though I just noticed it was a little weaker. That is the consensus for my vendor at least.. Not sure about others.
I recently had 2 batches of crystal due to them mixing up my order...The first batch seemed somewhat weak but it could have been my dose.....I always IV 3-500mg then chill and put the rest in my vape and now I have a freebase pipe and have to say I think its a waste to vape it....I unexpectly got another package that was in customs for 2 weeks of crystal...I dosed much higher and got a nice rush but for 4-500mg you'd think it would have been insane......Its getting old now.......I have one last package that could be here today or take forever because I ordered it regular mail to the US because all my packages were taking forever. Average 2 weeks when before I'd always get them in 6-7 days.....I only ordered 500mg and 5 pyrozolam. I'm quitting for good after this one and I may not even do it if I have the balls to tell a friend to help me dump it.
Even though I take 2-4 weeks off between uses I'm thinking the crystal I got was fine I'm just getting somewhat tolerant to the rushes.
Its a good drug but I get carried away and end up just staying home cleaning and watching porn,lol. So I need to quit. The appetitie surpression is unreal with this one too. Unlike with amphetamines your stomach feels weird and you know you have to eat even though you don't want to... This one I went close to two days without eating and the next day or the 2nd day off it I felt like shit......Muscle were so sore.......I believe this has to do with a combonation of lack of protein being eaten, dehydration and the possibility this drains some vital minerals. Strangely though that day I felt like shit I was pleasantly surprised another package arrived and it was back to speeded out porn obsession......this time at least I had benzos which are a must have with this stuff. I can't even sleep on the stuff with benzos...I mean I probably could if I took enough of them but I don't like that feeling 4 mg Diclazapam has done me well and I still feel good today possibly due to combination of the long metabolites and getting some food into me....I even bought some pedialite because I was very dehydrated. Bought some B vitamins too not sure if they helped too.
This drug seems it can only be good for people with control of drugs. The people that do. a few 70mg lines for the day and they are good. I feel you could actually achieve good things if you keep doses reasonable and don't use for more than 2 days in a row.
Very few can do that. I mean chances are your already a drug addict because your orderering fucking 3-fpm online which most people have never heard of
I recently had 2 batches of crystal due to them mixing up my order...The first batch seemed somewhat weak but it could have been my dose.....I always IV 3-500mg then chill and put the rest in my vape and now I have a freebase pipe and have to say I think its a waste to vape it....I unexpectly got another package that was in customs for 2 weeks of crystal...I dosed much higher and got a nice rush but for 4-500mg you'd think it would have been insane......Its getting old now.......I have one last package that could be here today or take forever because I ordered it regular mail to the US because all my packages were taking forever. Average 2 weeks when before I'd always get them in 6-7 days.....I only ordered 500mg and 5 pyrozolam. I'm quitting for good after this one and I may not even do it if I have the balls to tell a friend to help me dump it.
Even though I take 2-4 weeks off between uses I'm thinking the crystal I got was fine I'm just getting somewhat tolerant to the rushes.
Its a good drug but I get carried away and end up just staying home cleaning and watching porn,lol. So I need to quit. The appetitie surpression is unreal with this one too. Unlike with amphetamines your stomach feels weird and you know you have to eat even though you don't want to... This one I went close to two days without eating and the next day or the 2nd day off it I felt like shit......Muscle were so sore.......I believe this has to do with a combonation of lack of protein being eaten, dehydration and the possibility this drains some vital minerals. Strangely though that day I felt like shit I was pleasantly surprised another package arrived and it was back to speeded out porn obsession......this time at least I had benzos which are a must have with this stuff. I can't even sleep on the stuff with benzos...I mean I probably could if I took enough of them but I don't like that feeling 4 mg Diclazapam has done me well and I still feel good today possibly due to combination of the long metabolites and getting some food into me....I even bought some pedialite because I was very dehydrated. Bought some B vitamins too not sure if they helped too.
This drug seems it can only be good for people with control of drugs. The people that do. a few 70mg lines for the day and they are good. I feel you could actually achieve good things if you keep doses reasonable and don't use for more than 2 days in a row.
Very few can do that. I mean chances are your already a drug addict because your orderering fucking 3-fpm online which most people have never heard of
I just had the realization that something I took today brought back the high from last night. I did drink an energy drink which obviously helped but I took magnesium and B vitamins and potassium and I think i said it already last night I drank a pedialite drink....That could be why I havn't been getting the same effects. I did have potassium deficiency at one point but I know B vitamins can give energy and support dopamine and magnesium is an NMDA antogonist so it brought back part of the high and allowed me to get shit done today despite no sleep.
There was a time I was on adderall and at the end I took magnesium Glycinate thinking it would help sleep and it did the opposite it brought back some of the high and gave me massive Jaw clenching which I don't understand because they claim it helps for that...........Today I took magnesium oxide which is pretty worthless aside from being a laxative but maybe some got absorbed........Hard to tell with everything I took..
I do think people should look into mineral supplementation, making sure your fully hydrated and forcing yourself to eat. You feel way better. Get some sleep if you can. Some anti psychotic or hi dose trazadone might work better than benzos.
There was a time I was on adderall and at the end I took magnesium Glycinate thinking it would help sleep and it did the opposite it brought back some of the high and gave me massive Jaw clenching which I don't understand because they claim it helps for that...........Today I took magnesium oxide which is pretty worthless aside from being a laxative but maybe some got absorbed........Hard to tell with everything I took..
I do think people should look into mineral supplementation, making sure your fully hydrated and forcing yourself to eat. You feel way better. Get some sleep if you can. Some anti psychotic or hi dose trazadone might work better than benzos.
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@varimax: If you're intending to just quit cold-turkey or something approximating that, then good on you.
But if you're trying to wean yourself off of it... I'd recommend switching to a less recreational/insidiously-compulsive stimulant for the job.
If you're only using it two weeks on two weeks off then you're clearly functional without it--and it's just a matter of following through. But if you're trying to exercise some control over the *way* that you use it, so that you can gradually wean yourself off the best thing you can do is to start using something less fun: ie. Something with shittier side effects. And unless you have a physiological dependency, don't use benzos to ease your side effects. First of all, this increases the amount of stimulant you need to take to satisfy your cravings, and second of all, it reduces the exact effects that you should be looking towards as evidence that you'd be better off in a sober state.
Best of luck.
But if you're trying to wean yourself off of it... I'd recommend switching to a less recreational/insidiously-compulsive stimulant for the job.
If you're only using it two weeks on two weeks off then you're clearly functional without it--and it's just a matter of following through. But if you're trying to exercise some control over the *way* that you use it, so that you can gradually wean yourself off the best thing you can do is to start using something less fun: ie. Something with shittier side effects. And unless you have a physiological dependency, don't use benzos to ease your side effects. First of all, this increases the amount of stimulant you need to take to satisfy your cravings, and second of all, it reduces the exact effects that you should be looking towards as evidence that you'd be better off in a sober state.
Best of luck.
No I would only make 1 order every 2 weeks average but a bunch of packages got hung up in customs and I had a reship due to an error.....Def not trying to wean off. I wouldn't think anyone would wean off stimulants they usually just stop unless its been a longterm thing through the doctor.
I use the benzos to quell the side effects after I've been on the 3-fpm a good couple of hours. 1 mg diclazapem does the trick. At the end of the night I might try to sleep and take more benzos but typically it just relaxes me more but I can't sleep so I stay up and chat or clean or whatever.
I use the benzos to quell the side effects after I've been on the 3-fpm a good couple of hours. 1 mg diclazapem does the trick. At the end of the night I might try to sleep and take more benzos but typically it just relaxes me more but I can't sleep so I stay up and chat or clean or whatever.
noobcakes
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Apologies for the late reply, a few months ago when I was bored I did 0.3ml of Crystal Meth (pure crystal which I mashed into the syringe) and, as CM is so expensive in the UK I decided to 'tweak' using 3FPM via IV for a few hours. It's certainly a good companion to CM, as you're not using expensive Meth but the cheaper 3FPM after the initial hit.
In my experience it worked well. But (for harm reduction purposes) my doses were quite large for both substances and those not used intravenous routes of administration should avoid as it leaves little room for error. IV drug use can lead to serious mental or physical harm and death.
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greamekeegan
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I've been taking 3-FPM orally now for a good few weeks on and off. 90% of the time I take it orally with a few beers to wash it down with - I've not had any down sides to this whatsoever until the last week or so I have noticed that I've been getting a really badly upset stomach the next day, like I can feel my stomach twitching & upset like it's really inflamed or something.
It only seems to get like this after I have had 3-FPM and I'm kinda either thinking this is simply the results of taking it over a longish period of time orally & it's an accumulated problem or that maybe I've been taking it on an empty stomach with alcohol which is not going to give me any protection from the corrosive aspect of the substance.. Like if I snort it - I can feel how much it stings so god knows what it's doing to my stomach...
I've been skimming through all the 3-fpm threads for days and seems hardly anyone takes it orally and those that do haven't reported anything like I've been getting. I was quite surprised because from experience taking it orally is like way better and longer lasting than snorting.. So I'm thinking maybe I'm the first to have taken it orally for so long and first to get this effect...
The only other thing I have noticed on the downside is that if I've taken 3-FPM during the evening I often get a pain in my bladder which escilates and gets worse unless I eat something and that makes the pain go straight away & I'm fine again...
Hoping that it's not the 3-FPM cos it's a great stim with very little side effects & easy to dip in and out of, I don't get any bad comedowns but maybe everything has it's downsides and I need to lay off it more and be careful to take it with food or just have it nasally to bypass the stomach..
Would be interested to know if anyone had the same effects as I found...
It only seems to get like this after I have had 3-FPM and I'm kinda either thinking this is simply the results of taking it over a longish period of time orally & it's an accumulated problem or that maybe I've been taking it on an empty stomach with alcohol which is not going to give me any protection from the corrosive aspect of the substance.. Like if I snort it - I can feel how much it stings so god knows what it's doing to my stomach...
I've been skimming through all the 3-fpm threads for days and seems hardly anyone takes it orally and those that do haven't reported anything like I've been getting. I was quite surprised because from experience taking it orally is like way better and longer lasting than snorting.. So I'm thinking maybe I'm the first to have taken it orally for so long and first to get this effect...
The only other thing I have noticed on the downside is that if I've taken 3-FPM during the evening I often get a pain in my bladder which escilates and gets worse unless I eat something and that makes the pain go straight away & I'm fine again...
Hoping that it's not the 3-FPM cos it's a great stim with very little side effects & easy to dip in and out of, I don't get any bad comedowns but maybe everything has it's downsides and I need to lay off it more and be careful to take it with food or just have it nasally to bypass the stomach..
Would be interested to know if anyone had the same effects as I found...
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sonicwhite
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I found vaping it in a bowl much more euphoric than snorting or eating.
Dimm
Bluelighter
So, I received 5gs of this substance from a trusted source 4 days ago.
I experienced a great deal of mania from my original dose of ~10mg insufflated. 3 hours later I took another 15mg line and I experienced a really nice rush followed by a decent buzz and shortly after desired more.
Then things got out of hand. The urge to redose was so strong that I ended up consuming (oral and insufflation) 240mg more over the course of the night.
I was able to get 4 hours of sleep a few hours after my last dose by using a rather large (15mg) dose of etizolam. However, after four hours I was wide awake and still feeling pretty good.
Then it got more out of hand. Almost immediately after waking up I took 40mg orally. I managed to wait around 6 hours before giving in and insufflating 80mg. When I experienced very little buzz from it (despite only having to take 60mg the night before for a nice 2hour long euphoria), I took about 120mg orally as well.
I felt amazing for about 6 hours, at which point I consumed another oral dose of the same size which did nothing but keep me up until noon.
So I consumed a little less than .6g in 48 hrs.
I was able to get 5 hrs of sleep that night using around the same amount of etizolam. I felt no urge to redose the following day because my resting heartrate was fucking through the roof. Also experienced extreme pain all throughout the day in left side of my chest and left leg. I was also extremely pissed off all day.
I slept for around 8 hours last night (also had the most intense, delirious dream I've ever had). However I couldnt sleep anymore afterwards despite feeling exhausted because I would continually wake up and experience severe sleep paralysis.
I feel depressed and demotivated today. Not nearly as bad as I would from meth or mdma, but the mania is back in full force. Im still slightly stimulated and only experiencing minor vasoconstriction (finally).
I dont plan on taking anymore. I have a relatively strong urge to redose now and have been inbw suicidal and buzzy all day.
Tl;dr Too much mania, urge to redose, tachycardia, and comedown. Was unable to control myself with this one and now Im left with a really shitty feeling/original enjoyment ratio.
Other side effects Im still experiencing are hot flashes, headaches, and residual stimulation.
If this doesnt continue through the week I may consider giving it a second chance, but I feel like absolute shit. Worse than I would after an amphetamine binge and yet I still have a strong desire to redose.
Before this binge, I hadn't binged this hard on any stimulant since I was 18 (a little under 4 years ago). Despite having used cocaine, mdma, and amphetamine since then. Just goes to show how addictive this shit is.
I hope this doesnt last a whole month....
I experienced a great deal of mania from my original dose of ~10mg insufflated. 3 hours later I took another 15mg line and I experienced a really nice rush followed by a decent buzz and shortly after desired more.
Then things got out of hand. The urge to redose was so strong that I ended up consuming (oral and insufflation) 240mg more over the course of the night.
I was able to get 4 hours of sleep a few hours after my last dose by using a rather large (15mg) dose of etizolam. However, after four hours I was wide awake and still feeling pretty good.
Then it got more out of hand. Almost immediately after waking up I took 40mg orally. I managed to wait around 6 hours before giving in and insufflating 80mg. When I experienced very little buzz from it (despite only having to take 60mg the night before for a nice 2hour long euphoria), I took about 120mg orally as well.
I felt amazing for about 6 hours, at which point I consumed another oral dose of the same size which did nothing but keep me up until noon.
So I consumed a little less than .6g in 48 hrs.
I was able to get 5 hrs of sleep that night using around the same amount of etizolam. I felt no urge to redose the following day because my resting heartrate was fucking through the roof. Also experienced extreme pain all throughout the day in left side of my chest and left leg. I was also extremely pissed off all day.
I slept for around 8 hours last night (also had the most intense, delirious dream I've ever had). However I couldnt sleep anymore afterwards despite feeling exhausted because I would continually wake up and experience severe sleep paralysis.
I feel depressed and demotivated today. Not nearly as bad as I would from meth or mdma, but the mania is back in full force. Im still slightly stimulated and only experiencing minor vasoconstriction (finally).
I dont plan on taking anymore. I have a relatively strong urge to redose now and have been inbw suicidal and buzzy all day.
Tl;dr Too much mania, urge to redose, tachycardia, and comedown. Was unable to control myself with this one and now Im left with a really shitty feeling/original enjoyment ratio.
Other side effects Im still experiencing are hot flashes, headaches, and residual stimulation.
If this doesnt continue through the week I may consider giving it a second chance, but I feel like absolute shit. Worse than I would after an amphetamine binge and yet I still have a strong desire to redose.
Before this binge, I hadn't binged this hard on any stimulant since I was 18 (a little under 4 years ago). Despite having used cocaine, mdma, and amphetamine since then. Just goes to show how addictive this shit is.
I hope this doesnt last a whole month....
noobcakes
Bluelighter
The problem with stims like these is they really burn through your electrolytes.
I think you get a decent lot out of it the first day, about 60% out of it the next day and by day 2-4 you might as well not bother. Have a break for a few days and let your body recover.
Drink plenty of water. Energy drinks are helpful to replenish the salts your body has lost, eat proper food too.
noobcakes
Bluelighter
Oh, and have a look at the first post in the European & African Drug Discussion Megathread for 3FPM ( http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/774653-The-EADD-3-FPM-Megathread )
If you're dosing nasally it suggests that 55mg is considered strong.
If you're dosing nasally it suggests that 55mg is considered strong.
Dimm
Bluelighter
Yeah, I got out of control with it. I feel a little better today, less delusional. Was able to smoke bud, drink coffee, and just chill out.
I took plenty of vitamins and got plenty of electrolytes into my system during the binge and Ive been keeping up on it.
It just kicked in a really powerful manic state while I was on it. I still feel it slightly and have a headache in the left side of my head.
Other than that, I'm fine. Got a little programming done and exercised lightly for the first time in 4 days, the tachycardia/vasocontriction is almost comepletely gone.
I was acting a bit dramatic yesterday, it probably wouldn't be bad for most people with better self-control.
Im also a pretty light guy (150), so that dose was really high for a first time use, especially since I haven't used a powerful stimulant since around November.
I took plenty of vitamins and got plenty of electrolytes into my system during the binge and Ive been keeping up on it.
It just kicked in a really powerful manic state while I was on it. I still feel it slightly and have a headache in the left side of my head.
Other than that, I'm fine. Got a little programming done and exercised lightly for the first time in 4 days, the tachycardia/vasocontriction is almost comepletely gone.
I was acting a bit dramatic yesterday, it probably wouldn't be bad for most people with better self-control.
Im also a pretty light guy (150), so that dose was really high for a first time use, especially since I haven't used a powerful stimulant since around November.
Dimm
Bluelighter
Also I have a lot of pain around my left kidney. I think its having a really hard time flushing it out or something. Hopefully not a kidney stone...
noobcakes
Bluelighter
I agree, 0.6g isn't a huge amount to get through, but as he's new to this substance and hasn't used any strong stims since last year, his tolerance is probably quite low.
I have observed on a number of occasions that if I'm getting through large amounts of this substance that I end up with pains in my lower abdomen. I'm not sure how common it is.
Oh, and burps. If I've used a lot of 3FPM orally then I'm prone to constant burping.
I have observed on a number of occasions that if I'm getting through large amounts of this substance that I end up with pains in my lower abdomen. I'm not sure how common it is.
Oh, and burps. If I've used a lot of 3FPM orally then I'm prone to constant burping.
Hey First time poster here! Firstly I've gotta say this site has helped me a lot with making more informed choices through the years... So as for now well I've ordered just .5g of 3fpm (also ordered .5g of 4mph before ban comes in tho planning to try on different days) to see what it's about but wondering if people have had much paranoia off it/both? I used to be quite a heavy eph and mpa user tho did suffer from occasional paranoia off both tho tbf I was quite a binger.
Atmozfears
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Got some IPPH instead of 3-FPM because vendor was out of stock, I really really reaaaaaaally regret it.