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RCs 3F-Phenmetrazine (3-FPM)

Woah I think Orangefairy needs to take a break from the drugs and maybe edit your post so its readable,lol.
 
Nice mix @ Orange Fairy 8( (hope you're still breathing)

I'm done with snorting this stuff, keeping to orally now. It is an okay short-term stimulant but the onset of the mental impairment is perceivable earlier than on other stimulants, IMHO.
 
beels said:
Where'd ya hear that? I don't believe enough testing and research has been done to back that up.
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"Smoking" anything and everything is cancerous. Except maybe MAYBE weed. Even then.

Obviously you mean vaporizing. The problem with vaporizing fluorinated compounds is that people tend to burn up some of the compound when they vape, and you really don't want fluorinated combustion byproducts in your lungs. Oxidative stress in the extreme--plenty of room for DNA damage, protein damage, membrane damage, etc etc. definitely a cancer risk as well as a risk for basically any other respiratory condition you can think of.

But -theoretically- it's not likely to be any more harmful than a non-halogenated compound of vaporized carefully with zero combustion. It's just a riskier behavior--and when people talk about getting dirty residues with fluoro amphetamines, etc they are seeing evidence of combustion. By all reports I've read, 3-fpm seems to vape fairly well/cleanly, so it's probably not a super high risk in that regard. Still, vaping is not good for you. Not just because of addiction/fiending but also because of possible lung damage even setting aside cancer risk. Is it better than shooting? Maybe. Probably. Idk. I would never recommend anyone pick up shooting--but I would never recommend vaping either. I suppose the acute risk (collapsing veins, missing shots, abscesses, STD risk, etc etc) outweighs the potentially more damaging cardiopulmonary effects of vaping.

Just stick to oral/snorting/rectal, if you can manage it. As usual, rectal gives the best bang for your buck for a non-invasive ROA. But it's also the most inconvenient.
 
Smoking everything doesn't cause cancer. Its been found that organic tobacco doesn't cause cancer. It is due to the pesticides in it. I don't have any websites or studies but have come across a few books speaking on the topic with proof. After reading about it, it made sense that the cancer causing properties don't come from a natural growing plant.
 
And natural things can't be mutagens?!
Bombarding your pulmonary system with toxins leads to damaging the tumour suppressor genes that stop uncontrolled division.
 
Did I say natural things can't be mutagens? I was just giving an example how all things smoked don't necessarily cause cancer. It seems less likely a natural plant will cause cancer but didn't say it wasn't possible. Anything smoked will probably have some degree of harm. Even vaping while it was found to not be harmful in a recent study it still coats your lungs and can cause respiritory issues.

People get pretty nasty coughs from weed but theres no proof of it causing cancer.
 
gorestep said:
The reason I say a lower dose of 3fpm is the fact the stimulation lasts so long after the dose, I want just enough to give a but of a push while the mexedrone gives the euphoria.

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In my experience the mexedrone offers very little sedation and euphoria and it's the 3-fpm who's dopamine releasing action is responsable for most of the but not all of the euphoria. The mexedrone gives a body load and a setatonin kick which boosts any 3-fpm euphoria.. I've just recently mixed the two and it's a great way to go. i'm sure the serotonin helps the dopamine leaving 3-FPM by feeling my euphoric.

I literally just tried a mixture of the two for the first time 2 hours go. It's awesome man. Really really clean and the mexedrone gives it a body load and warmt that 3-FPM is much lacking.
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Thought I'd ask here: anyone combined 3-FPM and Methamnetamine?
Got given a bit of the latter with an order and it's been sat in my drawer for ages because reports paint it as MDAI's retarded sibling.

If it adds an appreciable amount of SERTy loveliness to the DA flood it may actually have a use.
 
Where does someone get methamnetamine? I heard poor stories unless mixed with 5-mapb

Recent 3fpm report was the most underwhelming. Some of the powder going around is i'd say roughly .5 to .75 of the orignal strength and I pressume it has some cut it in due to the fact even a 300 mg shot which for me isn't bad. Big euphoria folowwed by clean stimulation and little to no shakiness...

This caused way more shakiness than usuall even after 2 mg diclazapam..... I complained to the vendor and they send me another batch and for the first time ever told me the powder was weaker which is something they always deny.

I've done the powder and didn't notice a whole lot before other than it being slightely less euphoric but this powder was weak.

I even IVed to test 50 mg's and did not feel anything... I then Ived around 350 and got a decent rush that lasted 5 seconds combined with shakiness. Less horn was noticed also... WOuldn't be surprised if there was something else in it.

I hate that... WHy can't all the product behave the same.. I get some is 90 pure and some is 80 but why don't they have the same effects? Annoying.... Now I have to use it again.
 
The experience of myself and a fellow 3-Fiend in EADD leads us to believe the variability in enantiomers plays a massive part.

One form feels 'clean' like D-Amp and another is 'filthy' in the most beautiful way. The dose varies no more than 20% but one form really does feel oh so very similar to D-Methamp.
 
ComfortablyNumb95 said:
When I had my 3-from I used a straw made of foil and scrapped the residue because it can be a lot. And it's such a joy to see it melt. I would never use anything other than a foil straw, it's just so easy to open it and collect the resin.
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yea i've been doing the same, although i still can't work out if it's more potent than it is before it's vaped. amongst meth smokers it seems that they are more eager to smoke up the meth residue as it's noticeably more potent, but with 3-fpm i find it to be more of a last resort fiending action when it's all gone up in a cloud of chemical, and clucking for another puff to get you... erm.. well whatever little it actually seems to do despite the crazy compulsion to keep puffing away until you stop and notice that your 3g bag is empty. Anyway when vaping the residue it turns a narsty brown colour and has a bitter taste to it. can someone explain why this is? and is it toxic? (More toxic than vaping it pure to begin with) thanks!
 
My latest stint was with a crystalline batch of 3-FPM. I typically administered it twice a day. Typical dosages were between 300-600mg. I mostly administered it by making an aqueous solution (100mg of 3-FPM/1mL of water) and plugging it. I started noticing signs of a compromised immune system after a few days. Multiple infections and flu-like symptoms. I believe that upon dosing 3-FPM, the flu-like symptoms would greatly reduce, due to the typical effects of stimulants. It's been 2 days since my last dose and I usually wake up with flu-like symptoms which gradually reduce throughout the day. It could just be a coincidence or my immune system is just stressed from my drug usage (or other things) but I take good care of myself, eat healthy, exercise, and have not been binging on any substances. Under 200mg produced stimulation with little focus. Over 200mg produced a sedating euphoria that was very well potentiated by a cannabis high. The side effects did not seem linear with dosage. 300mg wasn't much worse than 75mg in terms of noticeable side effects for me. The downside of large dosages seemed to be more related to its caustic properties when administering it.
 
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varimix said:
Smoking everything doesn't cause cancer. Its been found that organic tobacco doesn't cause cancer. It is due to the pesticides in it. I don't have any websites or studies but have come across a few books speaking on the topic with proof. After reading about it, it made sense that the cancer causing properties don't come from a natural growing plant.
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There is a lot of radon in tobacco, organic or not. Depends on where it is grown among other things. Nothing you really want to inhale.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2270238/

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My latest stint was with a crystalline batch of 3-FPM. I typically administered it twice a day. Typical dosages were between 300-600mg. I mostly administered it by making an aqueous solution (100mg of 3-FPM/1mL of water) and plugging it. I started noticing signs of a compromised immune system after a few days. Multiple infections and flu-like symptoms. I believe that upon dosing 3-FPM, the flu-like symptoms would greatly reduce, due to the typical effects of stimulants. It's been 2 days since my last dose and I usually wake up with flu-like symptoms which gradually reduce throughout the day. It could just be a coincidence or my immune system is just stressed from my drug usage (or other things) but I take good care of myself, eat healthy, exercise, and have not been binging on any substances. Under 200mg produced stimulation with little focus. Over 200mg produced a sedating euphoria that was very well potentiated by a cannabis high. The side effects did not seem linear with dosage. 300mg wasn't much worse than 75mg in terms of noticeable side effects for me. The downside of large dosages seemed to be more related to its caustic properties when administering it.
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Oh my, don't plug stimulants, especially not 3-FPM and definitely not at that dosage. Ischemic colitis of the rectum can be deadly and both the acute as well as the chronic form can be caused by rectal stimulant application. I am an IV user, but found 3-FPM to be great when taken orally. This stuff ruined almost all the superficial veins on my forearms, but remember you only have one asshole!
 
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The experience of myself and a fellow 3-Fiend in EADD leads us to believe the variability in enantiomers plays a massive part.
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all the 3fpm is going to be racemic trans form IIRC, nobody sells the pure isomers

for what its worth the cis isomers (e.g. pseudophenmetrazine) are only weak DRIs so this kinda makes sense
 
Smoking *everything* does cause cancer. It's not just pesticides, nor is it radon. Not that those things don't increase carcinogenicity--of course they do.

But smoking means combustion. Combustion means the generation of reactive species. Reactive species means oxidative stress, and *all* forms of cellular stress modulate the homeostasis between tumor suppressor and shock proteins, autophagy, and DNA damage.

When you expose your lungs to combustion byproducts, you increase the rate at which lung cells experience damage, and impair the rate at which damaged cells either successfully correct the damage, or kill themselves.

But vaporization =/= combustion. You smoke tobacco. You don't smoke meth.
 
Damn, I've never tried 3-fpm but dosages are all over the place..erowid users say that 30 mgs is enough to get good effects yet you have blue lighters plugging 3-600 mgs!where should I start?the scattered reports of weak and strong batches worries me as well..I don't want to order 3 grams and have it barely affect me..

For Americans, what does 3-fpm resemble most ?does it come close to adderal in terms of effects?i just want a mild stim that gives me energy and makes me more social and a mood boost
 
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