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Phenethylamines [2C-E Subthread] 2C-E Dosage and Methods of Administration

It was hearsay from a good friend of mine.. A mutual friend of ours.

And considering I was able to eat 50mg, and not completely lose my mind is another good indication that it's not of the highest purity. Though I do consider myself hardheaded, I certainly shouldn't be that hardheaded.
 
About a year ago I took 16mg and it totally kicked my ass with a near 24-hour trip.
 
I have been reading this tread and the old over grown one, nice treads the most info I have seen on the internet about 2C-E besides erowid.I have had the blessing of being able to have about a dozen experiences with 2C-E and thought I would share some of my thoughts about this great material.
Dosage: I have tried 10mgs though 22mgs with 18 being my magic number more then 18 just gives me more body load without significant increase in mental effects ( I weigh about 150lbs). As others have noted 2C-E can be very inconsistent, my strongest experience was on 15mgs that was more shattering, rich and dramatic then any of my 20mgs experiences. It seems like set and setting play a big role with this material. I think a lot of reports about weak batches are really just how 2C-E is inconsistent. I am also wondering about metabolism and strength of experience. My strongest experiences have been while I was lying in the sun, it seems like when I lay around on 2C-E I get cold and I was wondering if laying in the sun lets my metabolism get low with out getting cold and kicking on again. That is just one theory I have been pondering I am greatly puzzled by the inconsistence of strength of experiences with this material. Has anyone else had any experiences with slow metabolism and strong experiences? Or any theories besides set and setting? Maybe body chemistry? Vitamins, minerals in the body?
The Experience: I rank 2C-E on the same shelf as LSD and Shrooms I am very impressed by the quality of experience this material can generate. What impresses me the most is the mental clarity. I have pondered very complex situations in my life and came to very valuable conclusions without being clouded by emotions of delusions of grander. It is also a very warm loving substance for me but not so much that it clouds my thoughts like other substances. At times it gives me a very clear state where everything makes sense even things as confusing as my dreams at night. Amazing mental aspects, this probably sounds crazy but if you have had a good 2C-E experience I’m sure you understand. Sometimes it is more a mental experience and sometimes it has good visuals. Some of the visual experiences I have had were much more rich then anything I have had on LSD of Shrooms, the color and depth were amazing!
Over all view point: I don’t think 2C-E will ever be popular it is to inconsistent to hard to dose and way to unpredictable. This is for people who are trying to explore the in depths of themselves, if you want to have fun and see visuals you are better off with some of the other 2Cs or some LSD.
 
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Really? I would have suspected any dosage over 8mg would at least yeild a +2. I know if I took 8mg I would feel it as 16mg was equal in effect to roughly 250ug of LSD. But then the dose/response curve is very steep as 18mg was twice as strong as 16mg....and 20mg was twice as strong again as 18mg.
 
^^^I must agree with MGS about dose/respond curve changes with every mg you take. It's effect a radically different when you add few mg's.

Visuals are as beautiful as LSD or mushroom, but on their own unique way. One other chem thats has impressed me more is DPT. Thees two RC's are very special too me. One can't compete with each other.
 
First dose: ~15mg; gave me a ++++
Second dose: ~9mg; gave me... nothing.
Third dose: ~18mg; gave me... a + and a half. The highlight was that before sleeping I was able to create sounds in my head.

Inconsistent is the word. :\
This is friggin' weird!

Am I going to achieve a ++++ again :D
 
Xorkoth, Ive been noticing some inconsistancies in the dose as well. 12-16 mgs has every ttime produced a +++ in me, my fiance, and a good friend. But, I have let a few of my friends at school try it out, who have not gotten close to the effects I get. At first I thought it might have to do with body weight, but my bigger friend got more fucked up than the smaller one. I gave the bigger one 18mgs last night, and he was fucked up. But 16 mgs to my smaller friend got him a body buzz. Ive done 12 mgs of this batch and it felt as strong as 3 hits of good acid. Very perplexing, as I have not seen such variations in mushrooms or LSD, and a few other phenethylamines.

It seems as though the dose is Much much more dependent on individual body chemistry than on metabolism and weight. I gather this because my firend who is much bigger than the other got more fucked up from 12 and 16-18mg doeses than my smaller friend did off the same dose.
Does anyone have anything they want to add about this
 
^The last time I used 2c-e with some friends there was a lot of unexpected variance in responses. A and B used 13mg while C and D elected to use 18mg. A had a very pleasant ++, just as expected. B and C were both wrecked, with B vomiting even despite the fairly low dose. D had a full and comfortable +++, as expected. All were young adult males ranging from about 160 to 185lbs.

There is as similar discussion going on the B&D 4-AcO-DMT thread which is particularly interesting because the majority seem to all be using the same batch. Personally, my friends and I find the greatest variance with DPT, having had 25mg IM doses that were stronger than 50mg IM doses for no reason they nor I can discern (and that’s between trials of the same users and not just between users). Whatever the cause of this generalized variance is with all these drugs, we can really only do something about it if that cause is mostly, and reliably, dietary in nature (and, in some cases, effecting more than just the environment of the digestive system, in order to account for the IM variance). I have no hints about this yet aside from some speculation of vegetarian diets perhaps contributing to faster onset and greater sensitivity to 4-AcO-DMT.
 
DMT, I am also interested in plugging. I have taken 2CE up to 17 (orally) for a very mild (but profound) +++ experience. I'm thinking about plugging 10mg for what I expect to be a pretty solid +++ (maybe akin to a 20-22mg oral experience).

Can anyone give any more info about plugging 2CE.

Collateral Info:
2C compounds are generally potentiated 2-3x (or more with some) with rectal admin (in solution).

The come-up times are reported to be very fast. The majority of the reports are with 2CB, 2CC, and 2CD (they report come up times from 15-25 minutes usually).

A warm water enema before administration is sometimes advisable to 'clear up the pipes.'

There may be a mild to uncomfortable burn associated with rectal admin (though 11mg of 2CB was VERY mild for me).

Rectal admin will change the timeline of the trip (although there is some confusion whether it actually decreases the plateau or just shortens/intensifies the comeup/comedown).

Perhaps less body load associated with rectal admin (though I experienced a bit of GI stimulation/nausea with rectal 2CB).

Anything else to add?
 
2ce limit?

well i got to try 2ce finaly the other day (on top of 17 mg 2ci, which sucked ass i wouldnt even recomend bothering with it) oh man!!!!!!!!! the 2ce is so fantastic. 10 mg up the nose was like a snortable ten strip. i felt like i could take hundreds of mgs.....this is jsut how i feel on lsd. i cant fathom the term bad trip. when i eat acid, i just want more and more and more, id eat a thousand hits. just wondering, is there a level where 2ce becomes unsafe? because i know with lsd, i can eat a hundred or 200 or even more hits and just have the fucking tiem of my life, no toxicity. i have a feeling though that since this is a psychedelic amphetamine that perhaps if i took like 100 mg my heart would fail on me? lol. i dont know i just know that i wanted more and more and i would mainline that shit in less than a heartbeat. anyone know if you can od on it? and if this needs to be moved to the 2ce thread, then sorry for putting it in the wrong place, feel free to move wherever needs be. also, i just wanted everyone who hasnt tried it to know........you dont even need lsd. this shit is fan-fukcing tastic lol
peace
 
klowns said:
perhaps if i took like 100 mg my heart would fail on me? lol. i dont know i just know that i wanted more and more and i would mainline that shit in less than a heartbeat. anyone know if you can od on it?
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It's likely possible to OD on 2ce, and that you will do so in the near future.
 
2c-e has a very steep (almost exponential) dose-response curve. You will find that above 25mg, each additional mg will cause a huge difference in the intensity of the experience. I have taken 2c-e to 50+mg in a night, and after a certain point (40mg approx) the intensity just becomes FAR too much to handle. It begins to cause significant increases in both pulse and bp. Not recomended.

DO NOT even think about doing 2c-e iv. I made the mistake of doing it and the pain at the injection site was unbearable. I almost went to the er, worried I may have just killed myself. My arm was unusable for days without blinding pain. The experience from the iv was hollow and worthless, too overridden by pain to be enjoyed.
 
DO NOT take 100mg of 2C-E. LSD, because of its properties and its incredibly tiny dose, is one of the world's most physically safe substances. You could take hundreds and hundreds of doses (although I can't see that being a good idea mentally) and be alright physically.

2C-E on the other hand is an entirely different class of molecule with entirely different effects and a much, much higher dose. It raises heart rate and blood pressure as it begins to get very strong, and as egor mentioned, as you raise the dose it gets exponentially stronger very quickly. LSD, on the other hand, has a linear dose-response curve; that is, if you eat 3 times as much, you'll get approximately 3 times higher. If you eat 3 times as much 2C-E, though, the intensity will be incredibly higher, much, much, much, much more than 3 times.

Please don't try taking an insane dose of 2C-E. If you find yourself wanting to work up, work up by 1-2mgs each trip, because even that much will make a big difference. If you decide to just go and double your dose, you could be a really big trouble. And I don't know for sure, but I would not be at all surprised if 100mg of 2C-E would kill you or at least cause a lot of damage.

Just don't do it, man. If you get hurt or die, it'll give them a reason to emergency schedule 2C-E, and we'll all come find you and destroy you for reckless endangerment of the cause. :\

Oh, and this belongs in the B&D 2C-E thread, so I've merged it in.
 
thanks for the answers!! i thought that may be the case. ive only done it once so i dont know so much about it. however, yes i would still mainline it, because i heard people say its the most incredible fantastic psych rush you could have. i guess i would start small though with 5 to 10 mg. thanks for the tips!
 
and i found the burn from snorting very berible. it didnt bother me at all at around 10 mg. i heard people say dont snort it burns to bad, but i cant see myself doing it any other way. god that rush is good. within second the whole world is flying into intense open and closed eye visuals. once again, thank you for the help. peace and merry/safe tripping to everyone~!
 
well i honestly do apreciate your advise and i may very well regret it, but nothing is going to stop me from iving it unless someone tells me it dont work or is extremely hard on a persons health. from what i have heard, iving it is Fantastic. i read one report where a guy had 2 needles and injected one and then hurried and grabbed the other and tried to shove it in but his vein turned into a snake and slithered down his arm and he just dropped the second shot. once again i apreciate your advice. well how about this. is it actualy unsafe to iv it? or did it just hurt to bad? if you show me sometihng telling me its extremely unsafe i wont do it. but again, thank you for the input, and it sounds like you know what your talking about so ill contemplate it longer and snort some more before i grab a needle. peace
 
I dont know about the direct physical indications of the injection of 2c-e, but the peripheral effects are enough to prevent me from doing it ever again. I had a less terrible, but nowhere near enjoyable time i.v.'ing 2c-c. If you do feel the need to try it, at least have a medically competant sitter and benzo's on hand. Be careful.

PS- it was a bitch to get entirely into solution. Small ammounts of heat was needed, and I still filtered it 3 times prior to injection.
 
thank you for your advise. perhaps iving it wouldnt be that much better than snorting anyways, as the rush i could was indredibly fast, intense and fantastic. thanks
 
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