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The DMT discussion thread

Thanks for everyone's replies to my earlier post! Me and a friend gave the supposed DMT another shot last night, I refined my crystal smoking through a bong technique somewhat, reading up on it online. Still no visuals but intense body feeling again just as when I tried the changa. We definitely know we ignited the crystals as the tobacco smoke we used had the telltale plastic smell. Open eye visuals made the glass table we were sitting at look a little cool but that was the extent of the visuals. Friend reported similar. Double nangs were the fucking intensest I've ever had though!!!

Definitely leaning towards this substance as being 5-MEO-DMT unless we just aren't smoking it properly. I can get another two points, is this enough to infuse maybe weed or a smoking blend? A lot of sources I have read say you need at least a gram. But couldn't I just reduce the amount of plant material to compliment the amount of crystal I have?

Thanks for your help!
 
There's a bunch of 5-meo-dmt going around as DMT, which has just been cut and recrystalised with something like MSM to make the dloses more like DMT. Ive seen it heaps. It has no DMT smell (which my brain msmells from a mile away. i mean really my nose catches a scent every now n then and i am next to a wattle tree
 
Mind_Site said:
I can get another two points, is this enough to infuse maybe weed or a smoking blend? A lot of sources I have read say you need at least a gram. But couldn't I just reduce the amount of plant material to compliment the amount of crystal I have?
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I'm not sure where you're reading that you need a gram of DMT to make changa - a heavy (for most people) smoked dose of NN is usually between 40 - 60mg. 100mg is .1 so two points should definitely be enough to get two people to break through, perhaps even two times depending on sensitivity.

5-meo-DMT is even more potent (by weight) than NN, so I doubt that you have 5-meo (a heavy dose being between 10 and 20mg) if you're talking about upping your dose. Maybe you need to acquire a purer source, or improve your infusion method?

I've only ever orally dosed DMT and snorted Yopo, so I'm not going to recommend methods to create changa, but I'm fairly certain that psilo wrote a detailed description of the process in this thread or another one.

:D
 
So I'm pretty keen on trying some DMT, but here's my dilemma. I'm a pretty heavy weed smoker, and I've never smoked crystal anything so I was thinking it was most likely be easiest for me to smoke one of these DMT joints I've heard so much about just to stay as comfortable as possible for my first time using this powerful psychedelic... However, a few questions.

1. Can you use crystal in joints or does it have to be changa?
2. Excuse me for not reading the whole thread (bad Tangy) how would I go about making a changa if that's the answer to number 1/Is Erowid good for this subject?
3. Based on people's experience are there any notable differences in the DMT spliff experience, compared to vaping a bowl of crystal?

Also Urbie, that is an extremely distrubing article! The banning of nature is a perfect example of human arrogance, thinking we are greater and wiser than the very thing we come from.
Disgusting!
 
^ I'd forget using crystal DMT in a joint, make changa instead and smoke it in a pipe or bong. All you need is the DMT crystal, some acetone (cheap from any hardware store), and a carrier (b. caapi, weed, tobacco, damiana, whatever). I'm pretty sure Psilo covered it back in the beginning of the thread?
 
^ Cheers for the quick reply dude. Um if he did I didn't read it, but might go back and check it out. I imagine you could smoke changa out of a bong as well, which would probably be the most comfortable way for me to do it for the first time.
 
belarki said:
^ I'd forget using crystal DMT in a joint, make changa instead and smoke it in a pipe or bong. All you need is the DMT crystal, some acetone (cheap from any hardware store), and a carrier (b. caapi, weed, tobacco, damiana, whatever). I'm pretty sure Psilo covered it back in the beginning of the thread?
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The only thing I didn't really cover in the opening post was oral administration's of DMT by using MAOI's.

You can smoke chang in a joint and if you are too lazy to make it the right way, just use a mortar and pestle to seriously grind the DMT into your carrier. smoking crystal mixed through a carrier wastes some 50% of the crystal on average...
 
Well I just watched the Ayahuasca Dateline report (http://www.sbs.com.au/dateline/story/about/id/600986/n/Happy-Juice). Having heard about Ayahuasca tourism in the past I have had in the back of my mind a romantic idea of maybe heading up the Amazon and doing it one day but the story didnt make it look very appealing.

Lying in the dark while myself and other people violently vomit and have diarrhoea into buckets beside our beds doesnt look like a good set and setting for me. I know its a traditional practice and not having tried it I cant judge but it just made me feel like they should extract and smoke the DMT or get some lsd or shrooms that dont make you really ill.

I am still very interested by the idea of being guided through a psychedelic experience by a shaman though.
 
There's plenty of psychedelic guides in this fair land if you look hard enough. You can extract the harmala alkaloids from syrian rue for your MAOI, which you ingest about 40 mins before an oral dose of DMT.

It's much smoother than taking an Amazonian brew and you don't become violently ill, although purging is fairly common on the come up.
 
gave my cousin a pipe of DMT last night, he fucking loved it. " man, everything is moving wooooooah look at these colors" second hit " what the fuck. " and then he was gone for a few minutes. he came back like ive just seen everything moving, deep as fuck, a budda, some woman inviting me into a reality and a wolfs head tattoed on myself, that was fuckin beautiful"

im happy he liked it. i had a hit off the pipe after he finished and got the most incredible body high ever. havent smoked any properly for awhile now though, need to give it another try soon. after my crazy ego death experiences ive got no overwelming urge to try it again tbh, although i will. its some profound deep shit on a new level
 
http://www.sbs.com.au/dateline/story.../n/Happy-Juice

I'm not sure how representative that this story is of Ayahuasca ceremonies. This seems to be a very westernised take on the whole thing. firstly, the 'shamans' were westerners. i think the story could of benefited alot more from indigenous healers and shamans who have been practicising the rituals within their communities for thousands of years. I also think the rituals one would experience with an authentic guide from an amazonian indigenous community would be very different, though wouldn't contain all the comforts as the western ones.

I'm going to Peru, and Iquitos where this story was filmed and have been looking into doing an Ayahuasca ceremony. The type of ceremonies or 'healing retreats', like the ones shown in this doco can be thousands of dollars - so definately out of my price range. I would also rather do it properly with an Indigenous shaman rather than a westerner, just for a more authentic feel and because they probably have a much greater knowledge due to how long they have been doing the practice.

Personally I am sort of skeptical about how long an experience with ayahuasca can lead to someone breaking an addiction or getting out of depression. I have had great epiphenies with DMT, LSD and mushrooms that have given me great insight into myself and my problems. but they don't cure anything, but rather can provide some perspective without all the ego and other mental defence mechanisms we have in our everyday life. You still need to implement change yourself, and work hard at it.

i don't know, maybe others have had different experiences, and I'm not technically qualified to talk about ayahuasca having never taken it, only tried straight DMT.
 
BTW; this documentary: 'Ancient Drugs' gives a better incite into Shamanism.
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/ancient-drugs/#disqus_thread

EDIT: OOPS. This is the right one, most closely related to ayahuasca: http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/other-worlds/

it doesn't focus just on ayahuasca but rather shamanistic practices and psychedelics in general. It also does indigenous perspectives and traditions much better justice.

the first one is Ok, but its from the history channel which (ironically) I don't find to contain much in the way of indepth exploration of a topic. its more like intellectual popcorn for the masses.
 
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PsiloSubNaut said:
There's plenty of psychedelic guides in this fair land if you look hard enough. You can extract the harmala alkaloids from syrian rue for your MAOI, which you ingest about 40 mins before an oral dose of DMT.

It's much smoother than taking an Amazonian brew and you don't become violently ill, although purging is fairly common on the come up.
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Thanks Psilo, if I ever get my hands on enough DMT that I can smoke as much as I want and still have some left then I'll get some syrian rue and give it a go. I've only had dmt a few times and never broken through so thats probably a long way off.
 
Yeah psytaco it was very westernised - I'll have a look at Ancient Drugs when I get a chance, thanks.

I felt sorry for that Canadian woman who didnt feel that anything had happened apart from getting very sick - especially if it cost thousands of dollars like you say.

Even from my very limited experience with DMT I just feel like they should extract it and offer it as an alternative or something. A decent hit and she definately wouldnt be saying nothing happened.
 
psytaco said:
http://www.sbs.com.au/dateline/story.../n/Happy-Juice

I'm not sure how representative that this story is of Ayahuasca ceremonies. This seems to be a very westernised take on the whole thing. firstly, the 'shamans' were westerners. i think the story could of benefited alot more from indigenous healers and shamans who have been practicising the rituals within their communities for thousands of years. I also think the rituals one would experience with an authentic guide from an amazonian indigenous community would be very different, though wouldn't contain all the comforts as the western ones.

I'm going to Peru, and Iquitos where this story was filmed and have been looking into doing an Ayahuasca ceremony. The type of ceremonies or 'healing retreats', like the ones shown in this doco can be thousands of dollars - so definately out of my price range. I would also rather do it properly with an Indigenous shaman rather than a westerner, just for a more authentic feel and because they probably have a much greater knowledge due to how long they have been doing the practice.
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^this^

All it did was reinforce my opinion that people that go and see a white shaman (and the white shamans themselves) are utterly pathetic and are so far removed from what Yagé is to the indigenous people of the jungle. They made it seem like a ridiculous hippy-love-in, especially with that stupid "healer" woman from the states. The shamans I know are warriors, and they speak far more about mastery of self than "love" and "happiness" whatever the fuck those words are supposed to mean. I really can't stand people that think they know what's going on (especially when they only focus on the aforementioned love and happiness); everything is a mystery according to the shamans I know, and humans are at the whim of a multitude of inexplicable forces. In order to get by, we're supposed to "master" ourselves (within "this" world and the "other"), exploring both the "light" and "dark" (seeing them as part of the same thing - a non-binary mode of thought) aspects of our minds (and thus the universe) and facing all aspects in the same way - with strength and humility, just like a warrior.

These shamans and the binary thinking hippies that go and see them are absolute charlatans. The shamans with "retreats" (how traditional) know what a stupid hippy wants to hear "oh there is only peace, love and happiness" and use this as part of their business model. While the story wasn't too negative in its outlook, I think that it was more a representation of what the western "spiritual person" wants to hear in regards to spirituality, rather than an exploration of what Yagé is to the indigenous of the jungle.

Perú is corrupted by Ayahuasca tourism - getting into Ecuador, Colombia or Brazil is the way to go.

End rant.
 
Hi guys, i had always heard that 30-50mg would be a decent dose of this spirit molecule lol but i have been smoking through a bong with a the dmt sprikled on top of a little tobacco and vaped with a turboflame lighter. dont get me wrong, i have experienced some pretty crazy visuals but no real 'breakthrough' as such even taking 100mg in one hit where the room 'melts away'. Any suggestions how to get to this alternate reality lol. I'm going to recrystallize some tomorrow to increase purity and hope that helps
anyway guys any advice would be greatly appreciated
 
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