Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

[Captain.Heroin]

^ wow.....thats an amazing idea!!!!! how can i store urine.....are you able to freeze it?

shit...am i able to ask this......

You can just store it the way you would any other liquid.

That's pretty much border line drug testing questions so I wouldn't ask much beyond that.

^
Can you piss before you use and save it in case you get the call?

p.s. was kidding about you not remembering my story - I know you've got about 1000 posts in this thread alone

CH: An endless summer would definitely be living the dream, particularly if you suffer from SAD (most approprate acronym ever!). Only problem is that 'hard' drugs aren't particularly cheap here. On the other hand, health care is free so I'm sure it would balance out.

The only hard drugs I am interested in using would be meth, and that's available vs. the east coast of the US where it's practically inexistant.

 

[*=Regulator=*]

There's definitely no shortage of meth in the Land of Oz.

@Skag - do you have a refrigerator? /rhetorical question re piss test

 

[SkagKush]

i just dont know how long urine would last sitting in the fridge you know lol......

 

[Beerman]

sub, H, sub again?

Only one question, it's maybe answered posts before but i can't find it.
It has been more than about 30h of 1mg snorted sub and about 22h of a great H shot iv (200mg powder that I've only felt half or less...), if I try to snort 1mg now of sub would I go throug PWD? I'm starting feeling cold u know..
Thank you!
btw GREAT thread.

EDIT: another question maybe answered too... there is anything that helps turn bupre into norbupe faster?

thanks again!

 

[*=Regulator=*]

i just dont know how long urine would last sitting in the fridge you know lol......

google

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Facing a dilemma now, got the last few doses of my Subutex (3 mgs left), and to refill i need to cross the borders and go pick it up from any pharma in the US, of course getting their number first and send it to my NY doc, plus paying him the fee he asked for (not much, thank God)
Don't want to get the Suboxone again as for some reason it didn't feel the same, but it's the one available here in Canada. A trip to the borders is really worth it after all, since those 30 pills i can be picking up should be enough for the next 6 months! Waow! Bupes are the only
6-months-score ever in my life and you gotta love them for that
I'm a little bit confused here.....Are the Roxanne Subutex called Generic compared to the Reckitt ones? And if so, isn't the whole point of the generic to be cheaper?

A final question...Are Docs consulted in Canada when asking about an immigration case? Meaning that if i see a Doc here, will i be asked that same question "In the last three years have you been treated for opiate or any other drug/alcohol dependency." at some point throughout the filing process? And if i say yes or no, do they really go and check? I'm asking since I haven't been to a doc here yet, and don't know their current regulations concerning such issues, but definitely don't want to screw my future up for being misinformed.
I know these are 3 questions, but your help is highly appreciated since i need to take my decision SOON, plus i'm sure that many of you have the answers i'm looking for as usual, so thank you in advance for sharing this vital knowledge.
Peace on Earth

The point of generics is to have a lower price. Also, some people's insurance will only cover generics, no matter the price.

As for the other questions, I have no idea.

 

[Been&Done]

Yes..but where is the generic then if i payed the same for the Roxane Subutex and the Reckitt one (both without insurance)?!
I know that in Canada they have a health exam for the immigration but a drug test too?! Anyone?

 

[jamesBrown]

i just dont know how long urine would last sitting in the fridge you know lol......

Trust me skag, im a self proclaimed EXPERT on urine for obvious reasons and you do not need a fridge at all. you can store urine for months even and all you have to do is shake it up and add a little warm water before you use it. It will be very potent smelling and it will also have sediment on the bottom of the container but it doesnt matter. I have used urine that was atleast 12 weeks old that had been in a water bottle in my closet that I added water to and stuck under my ball sack to pass a test, no matter whos testing me, it ALWAYS works.
Ever wonder how I keep getting scripts for subs when im not even taking them anymore? I got a whole stock of bottles with urine with different combinations of drugs in them depending on the test.


*Mods if this crosses a line sry i was just goin with the flow. just delete it if you must.

 

[Znegative]

Only one question, it's maybe answered posts before but i can't find it.
It has been more than about 30h of 1mg snorted sub and about 22h of a great H shot iv (200mg powder that I've only felt half or less...), if I try to snort 1mg now of sub would I go throug PWD? I'm starting feeling cold u know..
Thank you!
btw GREAT thread.

EDIT: another question maybe answered too... there is anything that helps turn bupre into norbupe faster?

thanks again!

no you wont go throught PAWS, although I cant say that definatively cause there isn't enough information. Is your body physically addicted to buprenorphine, or did you just sniff 1 mg once (30 hours ago)? If it's the bupe your dependent on, you don't have to worry about taking the sub now. The only time I get PAWS, is when I stay off my suboxone maintenance for at least three days, and fill that gap with about a bundle a day of I.V heroin use and then take my suboxone five hours after my last shot.

The safest bet is to wait 24 hours, but that's really only if you've been using heroin heavily, or for a period longer than one or two days. I just got out of the hospital (I almost died from an asthma attack, and my heroin and xanax use didn't help open up my lungs at all) I had been back on dope for about 10 days or so. I took my suboxone 24 hours after my last dose, once my legs started kicking around, and it worked.

Nowadays when I make the switch there is always a five to ten minute period of uncomfortability no matter how long I wait, which might just be placebo, but I usually experience hot flashes or coldness for the first ten minutes or so after the sub has dissolved.

Oh another thing (when switching back and fourth, I find SL is the best way to START back on the suboxone, because it introduces it slower. I always start SL, and then by day two go to plugging, I.V, or insufflation (though in the hospital I had to do it SL for a few days.)

hope this was helpful. There is lots more info on stuff like this. I hope you dont make a habit of switching between suboxone and full agonists. I dont mean to sound preachy, but I've been going through that cycle for the past 5 months now , and in the end it kind of just ruins them both and empties your wallet.

best of luck
-z

 

[Beerman]

Thank you so much for your info & experiences Znegative.

Another question I have, is if there's something I can take to turn buprenorphine (partial mu agonist) to NORbuprenorphine (full mu agonist) faster??? some CYP3A4 or CY2P8 inducers? but which one(s)???

Thanks again people!

EDIT:

I hope you dont make a habit of switching between suboxone and full agonists. I dont mean to sound preachy, but I've been going through that cycle for the past 5 months now , and in the end it kind of just ruins them both and empties your wallet.

My idea Znegative, is to take H (or oxy, hydro, etc. full agonist legal pills, but I haven't tried any of them yet, and I reaaally want to try, but dunno where to get them) on weekends or 2 times a month or so.. I don't have a huge habit, last time was on one bag a day, so I don't think it will empty my wallet, and my subs cost me 7 pills of 2mg 2.8€ (about 3.5$ maybe)

 

[Bigd77]

So I was recently subscribed 8mg Suboxone Film. I must say it is very interesting. I like the fact that it is smaller then a listerine strip and you don't have to wait 30 minutes for it to dissolve in your mouth. I was seeing some people ask if you could IV the suboxone film. I had no idea so I decided to try it. In having experience with IVing suboxone tablets I wanted to see the difference. All I can say is that it works well. Just imagine crushing that 8mg suboxone tab. and the mound of powder you are left with. These strips are awesome for IV use. It takes a minute for them to dissolve but it is worth it, if you want to get smoked immediately. I am not trying to promote IV use but if you really want a fix quick, its pretty awesome.

 

[duneplanet]

thinking about switching to subutex.. have some questions

Im withdrawing from benzos and im using 2 mg of suboxone to cope. I feel like switching to .6 subutex will be easier to come off of in the longterm. MY questions are.
1. How bad will the withdrawal from .6 subutex be if I hop off at .1 subutex 6 months from now?
2. I know suboxone blocks opiates cause of the nalaxone but does subutex? Like could I drink kratom while on subutex and still get high? and after the kratom wears off at night could I still take my sub dose the enxt morning without any problems? thanks a lot.
also is subutex more euphoric?

 

[catcalls]

duneplanet:

Subutex is a boring drug. There is no euphoria with it even when double dosing. The high, if you can call it a high, is terrible. How ever, the good thing about Subutex is, you can use other opiates such as Poppy Tea and Kratom.

For instance, during the summer months here in the UK, I was dosing quite heavily the poppy tea. This is because I have a garden full of poppies.

Right now, I'm high on Kratom Extract. Some x5 I believe arrived from Holland just today, and I've been smoking and making tea with it all day. I've actually over done it a little to the point of sickness, because I know I've got 100g of Kratom commercial leaf coming tomorrow.

Sadly, I'm not using to help withdrawal, but just to get high. And it works.

 

[duneplanet]

so I can drink kratom while on subutex and stillg et high? thats enough for me to switch to be honest. have you tried it before? ive heard mixed things about getting high on kratom and poppy while on subutex. some say the bupe completely blocks it. id only be on .6

 

[stray cat]

dudes: as has been said many many times in this thread and elsewhere on bluelight, the naloxone is not responsible for blocking other opiates w/ suboxone. the buprenorphine does it; bc of its high binding affinity for the opiate receptors, it outcompetes other opiods (including antagonists, which is why in most cases the naloxone serves no practical purpose--physiologically--in suboxone). there is really no noticeable difference between suboxone and subutex for most people, regardless of the roa. please review some of the posts in this thread for more info on this- i think even just the first page should sufficiently explain it. most doctors are unaware of this, and the information provided by rb states otherwise, but for what it's worth, they are just incorrect in most cases.

edit: if u are only on .6, you will probably be able to feel other opiates anyway. w/ smaller doses, esp. less than 1mg, it is entirely possible to get almost full effects while on suboxone or subutex, although it depends to some extent on the individual

 

[Trigeminal]

Ever wonder how I keep getting scripts for subs when im not even taking them anymore? I got a whole stock of bottles with urine with different combinations of drugs in them depending on the test.


*Mods if this crosses a line sry i was just goin with the flow. just delete it if you must.

Hahaha that's awesome.

 

[duneplanet]

walking around town with 3 bottles of urine in your pocket: the good life

well I guess i dont ened tos witch to subutext then if i can get high while on .5 mg of sub? Im breaking a 2 mg sub in quarters if that matters. SO switching to subutex wont make a difference in my ability to get high on kratom?

 

[stray cat]

SO switching to subutex wont make a difference in my ability to get high on kratom?

it should not make any difference, no.

 

[Suboxone]

The point of generics is to have a lower price. Also, some people's insurance will only cover generics, no matter the price.

As for the other questions, I have no idea.

i think we talked about this a bit when i first started on subutex, but my insurance would ONLY cover the generic one. after some time i found a mom&pop pharmacy that would fill the name-brand one because (according to them) the generic one didn't exist. keep in mind, this was when the generic first came out and it was very rare to find it.

in my experience, the generic one feels stronger than the name-brand.

also, i'm back on subs my doctor thinks it's for the best, at least to get my parents off my back for a bit.

 

[PurpleLibra]

It would seriously blow my mind if a doctor would prefer his patient to relapse on heroin, than to stay on Suboxone, and smoke weed.

It DOES blow my mind. I cannot do anything.... I cannot smoke weed, I can't even take Somas for legitimate pain. She even gets what I call "that look" when I mention having a drink! A fucking glass of WINE with dinner for fuck's sake! I do not like getting drunk.... It's not my thing... But I do enjoy a glass of wine with dinner or Saki with sushi... But she seems to think I'm going trade my oxy addiction and become a raging alcoholic or something. You have no idea how much I could probably cut back on my Suboxone intake if I could hit a bong a couple of times a night...


I haven't been around in a while and I'm playing catch up, so sorry for responding to an old post. The judge I work for is being moved from a satellite courthouse to the main courthouse, plus the holidays and blah blah blah... It's been insane. Again... Playing catch up..