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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

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PurpleLibra said:
It DOES blow my mind. I cannot do anything.... I cannot smoke weed, I can't even take Somas for legitimate pain. She even gets what I call "that look" when I mention having a drink! A fucking glass of WINE with dinner for fuck's sake! I do not like getting drunk.... It's not my thing... But I do enjoy a glass of wine with dinner or Saki with sushi... But she seems to think I'm going trade my oxy addiction and become a raging alcoholic or something. You have no idea how much I could probably cut back on my Suboxone intake if I could hit a bong a couple of times a night...


I haven't been around in a while and I'm playing catch up, so sorry for responding to an old post. The judge I work for is being moved from a satellite courthouse to the main courthouse, plus the holidays and blah blah blah... It's been insane. Again... Playing catch up.. :)
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I would try to find another doctor who is more lenient. One or two glasses of wine with dinner, or Saki, is nothing to be afraid of. :\ I don't like drinking whatsoever, but having one or two drinks in a day is definitely no big deal.

I know what you mean by "I could cut back on my Suboxone so much if I could just hit a bong"; I have managed to taper down a lot on Suboxone. If I wasn't allowed to smoke weed while on Suboxone, I wouldn't have gone on it in the first place.
 
A catch up with a quote from Capt H...wicked :)
Your doc sounds like my old buddies who went to AA or NA... the're brainwashed. Most of them relapse, because the're forced to make their life so freakin boring thinking it's the only "right" way! 1 drink will make you go back to Heroin, this is ridiculous. Change your doc! and get a cool, understanding one, it's your money and you can fire her...haha
I think i mentioned what mine said last time, and i'm quoting:"I don't want to give u any ideas, but for many peeps having the subs allow them to take H on weekends" haa, and i couldn't help but smile showing that i know well what he's talking about. Anyways, i don't trust most of them and even label them as dealers in white coats.

Not trying to be judgmental by the way, i'm sure AA n NA did work for some people, but definitely it wasn't for me.
To each his own
 
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Unfortunately, this place is about the cheapest place in town. I've done the research and she only charges about half of what everyone else does. It's just fucked up....

The bottom line was I was spending around $1500 a month for the Roxis (doctor visits and pills) and now I'm only spending about $500. Even if I changed docs, I'd still be saving $500 a month.

I think I will change docs. There's one right down the street..... WAY more convenient! My current doctor's office is no where close to my home or office. Yet ANOTHER inconvenience.
 
^That sucks if you must pay $1000 per month to get a decent subs doctor. I suspect some charge higher fees knowing they will get more patients if they are more liberal with their program. Like most other things... it's all about money.
 
Today at 11am snorted 1mg of sub (i've been on subs for half a year, switching sometimes to H during weeks or months or only days or weekends), and at 17pm shot half bag of H (200mg powder aprox), and I felt the rush almost the full effects I think, and I'm really nodding now. I don't want to encourage anyone to do this, thats only info/experience from me.
I love suboxone, it keeps me away from wds and when I want I can achive a high if i'm in a low dose of bupe. But I want and I have to stop using heroin... it's so fucking difficult, when I get some extra money I can't resist to go to buy a bag. I was a dialy H user, now I'm trying to IV smack only on weekends or so..
I'm weak but you people who are in bupe to quit of full agonists keep going on bupe and stay away of full agonists. I promise i'll try too.
Everybody have luck quitting!
Dave.
 
The Absoloute best way to do Suboxin

I have discovered a way to get the effects of the buprenorphine in Suboxin without feeling any effects from the naloxone. It is really quite simple, all you have to do is break the tab into like four pieces and with a dry mouth and put them under your tongue. Then let them dissolve sublingualy and absorb the bup into you saliva glands by swishing the mixture around with your spit for around 10 minutes (although the longer you do it the more effective). The key is to not swallow any of the substance. After you spit it out dont swallow or rinse for another ten minutes and then you can rinse your mouth out. I have heard that people who think their dosage is too low try this method and it works great. Watchout if you are just starting withdrawls because the Bup is actually what makes your withdrawls worse not the naloxone which is only an anti abuse measure (the naloxone may make some people sick but if not swallowed will have absouletely no effect). This method works great if you are not on other oppiettes.
 
^ just take it properly.....the naloxone isnt even effective/active anyways.......
 
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PHD_someday: dude, read the thread. The naloxone in Suboxone does NOTHING. You can shoot Suboxone and it has an identical effect to Bupe so your sublingual method is a waste of time. Spit or swallow - it's not going to have any impact on the naloxone.
 
I've been on buprenorphine for three years now at 1-1.5mg/2x daily.

Do you think it's feasible to undertake a controlled month-long taper on my own, without my sub doctor's help? Will sub doctor's sometimes prescribe long-acting benzos for the express purpose of withdrawing from Suboxone -- like Clonazepam?

I really want to be done with opiates. I am realizing now that, despite my recent (three years ago) depression history, and continuing issues with sub-clinical GAD and SAD, opiate addiction has been a really bad choice (well that path). I wish I could go back to feeling normal and smoking marijuana. Is it possible?
 
How long did some of you have stomach issues switching from full opiates to subs? I've been downing immodium for 5 days now and its still barely stopping it.
 
Janja said:
I've been on buprenorphine for three years now at 1-1.5mg/2x daily.

Do you think it's feasible to undertake a controlled month-long taper on my own, without my sub doctor's help? Will sub doctor's sometimes prescribe long-acting benzos for the express purpose of withdrawing from Suboxone -- like Clonazepam?

I really want to be done with opiates. I am realizing now that, despite my recent (three years ago) depression history, and continuing issues with sub-clinical GAD and SAD, opiate addiction has been a really bad choice (well that path). I wish I could go back to feeling normal and smoking marijuana. Is it possible?
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It definitely is possible but, if possible, I wouldn't get on benzos unless it's absolutely necessary.
 
OK, WHAT THE FUCK

For over a week I've been taking massive doses of suboxone, were talking 32 mg, sometimes more, all different ROA, mostly plugging, shooting, sniffing, or sublingual via Alchohol method.

I havn't been taking this much because I want to get high, but more in an effort to stop myself from using heroin, as I just got out of the hospital 15 days ago from a near fatal asthma attack which left me with less then 20% lung function for some time.

I also really have been counting on the bupe to block at these high doses (because I know I'm going to try and get high at some point), but I can't even afford my suboxone anymore.

Well yesterday, I came to the conclusion that it really doesn't matter for me if I take 2 mg SL, I.V, I.R, or whatever. Likewise, it hardly makes a difference if I take 32.

After a day of plugging 24 mg and shooting 8 mg (and yes I cleaned my system before plugging), my dealer calls me up and says that he's trying to get rid of .2 of heroin and he'll give it to me for the price of .1. I say cool, figuring this will be a good test, and most definately a waste of money.

So I loaded the shot, registered, and bang. I tasted the dope in my nose, my knees felt relaxed, my back went soft, my mind felt clear.

Sure, the effects were decreased, but they were DEFINATELY present. I felt as if I hadn't wasted my money at all but had in fact got a bargain.

Anyway, I know that to truly get clean and off heroin, you can't just rely on methadone or suboxone. I just wanted to post this here because I've been noticing more and more that buprenorphine just does not seem to block heroin like it used to. Some people probably think I'm the luckiest guy in the world, and I was happy to get high, but I still sort of wish it didn't work, because now I wanna go cop again.

Luckily, I just got a new script for the films, I'm hoping those will do a better amount, so I'm gonna checkthat threat out now.

take care bluelight!
 
Hello BL,
I guess this has been asked like a billion times before but i couldn't find the answer somehow.

Is there any risk to take clonozepam (2mg) while on 8mg Suboxone ?

Thanks in advance.
 
Imo, no. But, ask yourself: what is your experience with clonazepam? I honestly don't think you'd get into any trouble with this at all. Just watch out for being too agressive or sleepy.
 
there is definitely risk- depending on your tolerance/experience with both drugs, it may not be that great, but there is always some risk involved combining benzodiazepines and opiates; buprenorphine and clonazepam are not exceptions. do you take both medicines regularly? if not, and you are set on combining, i would start low- 8 mg bupe and 2 mg clon are the highest doses available in both medications i'm pretty sure, and if you are not used to/tolerant to taking them or taking them together, there could be unwelcome, negative effects (including respiratory depression and even death in extreme cases). be careful
 
1 mg is still holding me just fine.....i may however start to take 0.5mg in the am and the other half before bed.....i have been waking up with nausea, and my colon about to burst for the past week.....
 
2mg of clonaz and 8mg of bupe, even with no tolerance, surely cannot be life threatening. This is why I told him to be careful.

edit - i take that back, I'm assuming the OP tried each before...but still I bet he/she has
 
n0th1ng said:
Hello BL,
I guess this has been asked like a billion times before but i couldn't find the answer somehow.

Is there any risk to take clonozepam (2mg) while on 8mg Suboxone ?

Thanks in advance.
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The risk multiplies when you add alcohol to that too, that's for sure..

But no, I doubt those two would depress breathing too much. Be careful taking benzodiazepines with full-agonist opioids though.
 
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