Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

[ThePharmicist]

Smart move! Glad to hear you feel better at least.

Good luck and be safe!

I'll do my best, it's also doing a bit for my back pain. As of right now (12:39am CST) no real high at the moment. I am aware from prior Fentanyl use that the high sneaks up on you so to speak. The only opiate like effect I seem to be getting is a bit of blurry vision, but that could be from staring at a computer screen all day too.8)

Anyway, I've never really liked fent, but I'm hoping this turns out to be decent. Maybe my brain isn't wired for fentanyl.

I'm on my second day taking suboxone...first time attempt at getting clean in my life...first time ever taking subs...through a doctor and a therapist

my problem is that I take 8mg in the morning and by 4-5pm I have this headache and it won't go away for the entire night.

ALSO I can't sleep...every night for the last year or two or three, I've gone to sleep so blasted on pills that I just passed out...now I'm trying to go to sleep when I'm all conscious...so I'm contemplating sleeping meds

looking for advice on how to get rid of the headaches...I'm now respectful and fearful of tylenol and would love to not take it for the rest of my life. Am I needing a higher dose of subs?

I had headaches and sleeplessness when I got on Subs too. It's actually a fairly common side effect from what I understand. I don't understand why you'd be fearful of plain ol' tylenol. Tylenol isn't dangerous by itself if it's used as it says on the bottle. Or maybe something like Advil PM might help with the headache and with the sleep issue. Be careful with sleep-aids (even OTC) because that could cause you to get too drowsy on the Subs. Ask your doctor first.

 

[Znegative]

I've been using about 2 mg total I.V everyday now, should some oxy's be able to break through that?

 

[Heroin Girl]

I'm on my second day taking suboxone...first time attempt at getting clean in my life...first time ever taking subs...through a doctor and a therapist

my problem is that I take 8mg in the morning and by 4-5pm I have this headache and it won't go away for the entire night.

ALSO I can't sleep...every night for the last year or two or three, I've gone to sleep so blasted on pills that I just passed out...now I'm trying to go to sleep when I'm all conscious...so I'm contemplating sleeping meds

looking for advice on how to get rid of the headaches...I'm now respectful and fearful of tylenol and would love to not take it for the rest of my life. Am I needing a higher dose of subs?

These are pretty common side effects....the headaches are often from Naloxone, so switching to Subutex usually helps. If your sub doc is like mine and will only script Suboxone, I've found that the lower the dose is, the fewer the side effects. NSAIDS like Tylenol never helped the headaches, at least in my experience.

As far as sleep goes, benzos are obviously effective, but Kava's a good herbal substitute if you can't take narcotics. Drugs like Neurontin and Lyrica seem to help more than sleep-aids, which just make me feel strung out when combined with Subs.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I'm on my second day taking suboxone...first time attempt at getting clean in my life...first time ever taking subs...through a doctor and a therapist

my problem is that I take 8mg in the morning and by 4-5pm I have this headache and it won't go away for the entire night.

ALSO I can't sleep...every night for the last year or two or three, I've gone to sleep so blasted on pills that I just passed out...now I'm trying to go to sleep when I'm all conscious...so I'm contemplating sleeping meds

looking for advice on how to get rid of the headaches...I'm now respectful and fearful of tylenol and would love to not take it for the rest of my life. Am I needing a higher dose of subs?

The headache might be due to the Suboxone itself; try taking 4mg in the morning, and another 2mg later during the day if needed. This should help a little, if not please let us know.

Sleeping meds can be very helpful; but you don't want to become dependent on them. I would ask your doctor for a week's worth, by then, with the intermediate use of sleep meds, you should be able to sleep fine on your own.

The Suboxone itself can make you feel like not sleeping; this is normal. A lower dose may help this.

I've been using about 2 mg total I.V everyday now, should some oxy's be able to break through that?

When was your last shot, and how much was in it? 2mg?

Oxy might be able to break through it, but I need to know that info first. How much oxycodone are you thinking about using? How long have you been using just Suboxone?

 

[Znegative]

my last shot was about .75 mg, though I might have lost some of the drug due to filtering over and over again. (Still have not gotten the micron filters) it was about five hours ago, I plan on getting at least 40 mg oxy in about 15 hours, or if I'm lucky a couple bags of dope. I've been on suboxone for about 4 months, and I I.V about 2 mg every day, usually in .25, .5 and 1 mg shots (i mix them up.)

 

[Captain.Heroin]

my last shot was about .75 mg, though I might have lost some of the drug due to filtering over and over again. (Still have not gotten the micron filters) it was about five hours ago, I plan on getting at least 40 mg oxy in about 15 hours, or if I'm lucky a couple bags of dope. I've been on suboxone for about 4 months, and I I.V about 2 mg every day, usually in .25, .5 and 1 mg shots (i mix them up.)

Cool, well since you have time to do another shot, (if you want to do another shot) do a 0.25mg shot, and wait a good 4-8 hours. That should be long enough to do the oxy to good effect.

I used to do around 2mg per day in a few shots throughout the day, and 15mg IV was all I needed to get a good rush and a high.

 

[Ashley26]

I know I've said it before, but I'm back on the Subs again

Took 2mg this morning, since I was feeling some pretty bad withdrawals and feel great again. I don't know if the withdrawals are still from the oxy, from the subs, or from the vicodin. It's probably all 3 to be honest, but either way, I'm just tired of them. Like you said CH, I eventually would get sick of them - and I did! so let's try this again

also, I'm going to a party tonight where I will likely have a drink or 2. Going to be interesting to see how it efffects me while on the sub, never had alcohol with it yet.

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

^ i drink with it without any problems.
but some people feel sick mixing the two.. i'd drink one and wait to see how you feel, if it makes you feel sick don't force yourself to keep drinking just to be drunk. you will be sick as hell. have fun tho

 

[Harley3311]

Yesterday I skipped my does and took fen, half a 75 mcg patch with good effects. Can i take the other half today, or when can i take my 4mg dose and not go into per. Wd's?

 

[Ashley26]

^ i drink with it without any problems.
but some people feel sick mixing the two.. i'd drink one and wait to see how you feel, if it makes you feel sick don't force yourself to keep drinking just to be drunk. you will be sick as hell. have fun tho

I'm not looking to get drunk at all since I'm not really a big drinker anymore but just wanted to have a few with someefrieuds. Ill just start with one and go from there. I don't plan on over doing it though. Subs plus alcohol makes me nervous

 

[Znegative]

I've been taking maximum 2mg a day suboxone for over two weeks, but I'm still having some bad diahrea. Could it be that I'm still adjusting to my dose? Other then that I feel fine..

 

[needlejuice]

my last shot was about .75 mg, though I might have lost some of the drug due to filtering over and over again. (Still have not gotten the micron filters) it was about five hours ago, I plan on getting at least 40 mg oxy in about 15 hours, or if I'm lucky a couple bags of dope. I've been on suboxone for about 4 months, and I I.V about 2 mg every day, usually in .25, .5 and 1 mg shots (i mix them up.)

GOODLUCK getting anything out of 40mg of oxy when ur shooting 2mg a day. i shoot 2mg a day and i need at least 160mg oxy or 80-100mg methadone. i cant believe capt. heroin says he gets high doing 15mg of oxy, tho i wont speculate becuz dude is on such a low dose of sub its redic.

 

[ThePharmicist]

GOODLUCK getting anything out of 40mg of oxy when ur shooting 2mg a day. i shoot 2mg a day and i need at least 160mg oxy or 80-100mg methadone. i cant believe capt. heroin says he gets high doing 15mg of oxy, tho i wont speculate becuz dude is on such a low dose of sub its redic.

I think for analgesic effects the recommended/typical dose for bupe is 200mcg. I know they use it a lot in France in Hospitals ever since there was a morphine shortage awhile back.


As for myself - I'm alive today after using that fent patch last night. I cracked it open and smoked a wee bit of gel and did a little gummy. NOTHING. This morning I smoked a bit of it too. I'm not getting a single thing from it other than a slight head change. Man, either somethings wrong with me, or fentanyl just sucks ass.

 

[Znegative]

GOODLUCK getting anything out of 40mg of oxy when ur shooting 2mg a day. i shoot 2mg a day and i need at least 160mg oxy or 80-100mg methadone. i cant believe capt. heroin says he gets high doing 15mg of oxy, tho i wont speculate becuz dude is on such a low dose of sub its redic.

thanks for the information, I haven't bought the oxy yet, I'm kind of hoping to get some heroin really...

 

[Suboxone]

Nice! If they are the generics, you need to micron filter (or less ideally, cotton filter) them for IVing. If they are the brand names, then awesome. I can attest that the brand name Subutex micron filters (0.22 um) clear.

I would try < 0.5mg IV. That's the most you should do in a shot in my opinion.

The effects were identical to IV Suboxone for me, and probably will be for most people. Ironically, Suboxone dissolves quicker in water than Subutex for some reason.

They're generic.

I sniffed 2mg and felt nothing, so I'm not entirely sure what I should do.

On a side note, I went to the doctor for this carpal tunnel problem I've been having. These things mix pretty damn well with the bupe!

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I know I've said it before, but I'm back on the Subs again

Took 2mg this morning, since I was feeling some pretty bad withdrawals and feel great again. I don't know if the withdrawals are still from the oxy, from the subs, or from the vicodin. It's probably all 3 to be honest, but either way, I'm just tired of them. Like you said CH, I eventually would get sick of them - and I did! so let's try this again

also, I'm going to a party tonight where I will likely have a drink or 2. Going to be interesting to see how it efffects me while on the sub, never had alcohol with it yet.

All right Ashley! Good luck with combining alcohol with buprenorphine; some people like it, others don't. You'll probably be OK with it as long as you don't have 6-8 + drinks.

Best of luck.

They're generic.

I sniffed 2mg and felt nothing, so I'm not entirely sure what I should do.

On a side note, I went to the doctor for this carpal tunnel problem I've been having. These things mix pretty damn well with the bupe!

What did you mix with the bupe?

 

[needlejuice]

zneg,

how do u feel after ur bupe dose usually? do u get effects every dose? i usuallyonly come close to feeling it in the morning when i first wake up.

 

[Znegative]

yeah man, I feel you. The morning is the best I get out of it, I.V about .5 mg and I feel pretty good (not FUCKED UP good, but mood lift) for a few hours. every dose after that is just maintaining a normal feeling. I actually only shot 1.25 mg today and its held me fine. I was going to try and stick out on 1, but a couple hours ago I started to feel uncomfortable, so I just did a .25 mg shot. I feel normal again. I think tomorrow I'm going to see how I feel starting off with just .25.

I find that its really most effective when you use it only when you're starting to feel crappy, which is why I think the morning dose does the most.

 

[Suboxone]

Ultram 50mg. He gave me 90 for some reason, though I won't complain! 200mg had me feeling quite euphoric, though after the first time yesterday I haven't felt much of anything.

 

[Heroin Girl]

I emailed my sub doc about a taper schedule and asked if he would script me something for the worst of the w/d, mentioned that I have a history of seizures during w/d, etc...... He replied by saying that there is no sub withdrawal because it's not addictive, hurrr durrr.

WTF This is the second "addiction specialist" to tell me that subs aren't addictive or opiates or something equally ignorant. CH needs to have a talk with these dudes or something.

/rant

Er sorry....what I wanted to ask - Isn't it pretty common for sub docs to script Ultram/codeine/Ativan/whatever when you taper? Or is that just wishful thinking? %)