(it has natural lithuim) and a cold cloth for your head if you can ! It's basic but it has to be done.
omg. i hope you are okay. lol. hugz. kratom can be a comfort drug but it is yuccky. it's like the over the counter withdrawal help right.
I can't do kratom. It makes me feel like I'm always slightly withdrawing and I've never been able to sleep when I'm routinely taking it. I'm gonna go full no opioid type drugs. I'm absolutely determined. I've been a heroin and methadone addict for 25yrs. I'm done....
and hope u get a sleep soon 
ur doing amazing 
you got this man. i just had a slip up and i’m dealing with the repercussions from it as well. kratom and gabapentin have been keeping me in check as well as baths. if you have a bath, try to sit in there for an hour or so and scroll bluelight on your phone. that’s what i do when i’m sick & in agony. much love man
Oddly enough the milk kinda worked. I don't know if it was the casomorphins, tryptophan or as you say lithium but my body calmed down and I had a period of 4-5hrs where I would fall asleep for a few mins at a time before I would get a jolt up my spine when I awoke. From experience I know that methadone screws with your sleep more than almost any other drug I've taken. Specifically REM sleep. It's almost as if the body doesn't know how to handle the neuron firing when REM dreaming starts. I also noticed that if I havnt been sleeping at all or having REM sleep then as soon as I fall asleep I immediately go into REM.Try to sleep at night. Have some milk right before. Try to be in the dark.
I'm just trying to help. I have been stuck in bed before trying to sleep and not cramp out. It's weirdly not fun. lol
You will be fine if you get through it. Showers help cramps. I know it is awful. Some milk
I don't know what you are really going through but you have to get through this. Right ? You will. I mean withdrawal is withdrawal right . . . keep smiling !!!!!
Do well. Take care.
Sorry to hear. I hope your pain is short lived. Are you in the UK? Don't know why I thought you were. We gotta be resolute. Just tell yourself it's not an option, no matter what. It's a lot easier in the US because I'm not going out to do that garbage they sell on the street. No way in hell. Trying to start over at 42 is not fun. Granted I still look young but you always think you have time.
Do you think it might be worth cutting yourself off from the doctor when your clear headed? You keep repeating this pattern and don't seem to get any enjoyment or utility out of them anymore.
I've been thinking of that: trying to find a way of telling him that I don't need them anymore without admitting how badly I've been abusing them lately. I *do* have pretty bad anxiety, and I like to know that I have some on hand in case I need them. But when I have them, I take them (whether I need them or not). That's the problem.
Are you able to ask a doctor if they can help ween or taper a patient off of abused substances, . . . . . or is this even done with patient visits anymore.... !
I'm going to keep trying on my own, because I'm afraid that he'll cut me off if I tell him the truth. I've been going to him for about 8 years and we have a very good doctor/patient relationship. Ironically enough, he's a recovering alcoholic himself and is very honest about it (hey, doctors are human too), but he's been sober for many years so far as I know.Are you able to ask a doctor if they can help ween or taper a patient off of abused substances, . . . . . or is this even done with patient visits anymore.... !
I wonder about medical practices being involved with this. Or is it mostly used with trauma and recovery groups.
However, I did have to ween and taper all on my own. With alprazolam and with all of the other med's too. I practice keeping the dose low as possible if I have to at all. And this is after years of keeping one or two in a pocket everywhere i would go . . . to have 'just in case.'
When I got to that point I knew that I was so ready for the real jump off of it all. It was actually like training wheels for me to be able to have that dose on my personal in case of emergency circumstance. I wouldn't take it but will have it if it is needed. I made it to the level where I still had one if I needed it until I didn't need it at all. I don't have to take anything now but I sincerely don't need them.
Everything else is just a comfort med now when needed. But the ween and taper is done and over. Now I just use as little medication as possible for post acute symptoms.
I guess I am just taking filler medications now to alleviate anything left over from the acute phase. I definitely don't dose like I used to. That is if I even dose at all anymore. They aren't as clean as the one's I needed every day. So that's how that goes. I did try to stop all at once and not ween or taper. Never again though. I think it really would kill me.
So that's not going to happen again. Ever. If I ever take Norcos again it will never be in excessive dosages. I would use a healthy taper or just a very small dose.
And the moral of the story. Don't be stuck needing something if you don't have any on hand. It's better to taper and ween (((with support))) and depend on a ' pocket ' instead of having to go out and 'look for' and 'beg for' it.
Oh hey !!! And sometimes it takes years. But hey again . . . what else are you going to do anyway !!!!
If you really want to you will. So sometimes it will just take 'a while.' You can do it if you want to . . . or at least try.
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